OK Wisconsinites, what are you going to do now?

[socialist_n_TN]

I know that y'all are pinning a lot of your hopes on recalls and court challenges to this law, but it looks like Walker, et. al., are just going to ignore it all. They're DEFINITELY ignoring the courts and they'll probably ignore any recalls they lose too. So what now?

[undeterred]

1. Law enforcement will enforcement will enforce the laws

including court orders. We are, after all, a nation of laws. And if that means arresting elected officials, so be it.

[socialist_n_TN]

2. When?

Are there any plans in the works for this? Walker's bunch have IGNORED 2 TROs. Apparently, the laws don't apply to Republicans.

[undeterred]

3. The laws apply to everyone.

I imagine its up to the sheriff to decide the particulars.

[socialist_n_TN]

4. Well apparently the law is going to be enforced.............

by Walker's administration by the third week of April or so. I don't believe that Walker and his cronies believe that the TRO applies to them and it looks like they're going to push it. I'm just wondering what the people of Wisconsin plan to do about this naked power grab.

You can say all day long that the law applies to everyone, but if the people who HAVE the power doesn't believe it the law applies to THEM, what do you do then?

[ZombieHorde]

18. Do the laws apply to Bush? I don't think so. I don't think US law applies to all US citizens.

Walker may get into legal trouble, but I would not be surprised if he did not get into legal trouble.

[socialist_n_TN]

5. Anyone else?

You guys in Wisconsin have been our leaders throughout this whole process. I'm proud of y'all and thankful. But this type of thing is going to continue to happen all over. Once again you guys are on the leading edge of this. What now?

[Lefta Dissenter]

6. Keep on keepin' on

"ignore recalls?" Well, those republicans will need to actual RUN in the recall elections (automatically on ballot for recall election unless they withdraw their names within 10 days of petition-filing). They'll need to campaign if they want to try to win the election. How is it different from any other election?

[socialist_n_TN]

8. How is a TRO different than any other TRO?

Apparently the Walker administration thinks that it is.

[Lefta Dissenter]

15. recall petitions at this point

are against individual State Senators. They're far from any position in which they could "ignore" election results if they're recalled.

You're pushing on the hypothetical question for what reason? You think we should give up? If you're trying to bait someone into saying that they'll "take matters into their own hands," or anything like that, you won't get that response from any of us here in Wisconsin. We believe in the rule of law. WE'RE not the lawbreakers, THEY are.

We keep plodding on, supporting our legislators who are in the right. We support our law enforcement agencies, and we vote like hell for Kloppenburg on April 5.

[socialist_n_TN]

16. I am FAR from thinking give up. This is so important.........

I'll only give it up when I'm dead.

But Wisconsin has been the lead state in all this in both the overreach AND the resistance. What I see so far is a situation where the law is passed. It's being enforced in SPITE of a TRO. TWO of them in fact. The Walker administration has shown that they OBVIOUSLY don't think that the law applies to them. Why should I think that Walker and the rest of them will think that the RECALL laws will apply to them?

I'm just wondering where to go next. The overreach needs to be stopped by any means necessary, ESPECIALLY if they ignore the recalls which I think is a good possibility. Short of violence, which I do NOT advocate, the strike is the ultimate weapon of the working class. When does that need to be implemented? And if the law is illegally implemented, then the part of the law making it a firing offence to strike is illegal too.

Where do you draw the line? Or do you just protest politely all the while they ignore court orders and continue to take away your rights until there ARE no rights left?

Which president was it that said RE: a Supreme Court ruling, (paraphrasing) "OK they ruled. Now let's see them ENFORCE the ruling." I believe that is the Walker attitude.

[Lefta Dissenter]

19. I might be a little sensitive

because I'm tired, but "...Or do you just protest politely all the while they ignore court orders and continue to take away your rights until there ARE no rights left?" to someone who has spent at least 50 hours this week (don't know how many last week) in the Capitol fighting for our First Amendment Rights, makes me want to ask what YOU'VE done.

Those of us who have shown up every day, putting all of life (including any income) on hold in order to challenge unconstitutional rules ARE drawing a line.

But there are many lines to be drawn, and you can't rely on a few to do all the drawing.

Find a place to take a stand yourself, and DRAW YOUR OWN LINE!

[socialist_n_TN]

22. I've been working in Tennessee. I missed being.........

arrested a couple of weeks ago because I was in the wrong group. I'll be at Legislative Plaza AGAIN on Monday. We're doing an action at Bank of America corporate on the 18th and all of this in a state that's always been MUCH more conservative than Wisconsin. I've been calling legislators nationally and locally two to three times a week to express my opinion on pieces of legislation, along with sending emails and letters. I called the offices of BOTH of my Senators today about the budget cuts nationally. So I AM doing, not just talking.

But I didn't mean this to be a pissing contest. On our council here in Nashville, there are four out of eight WHO ARE TIRED OF BEING POLITE. Are you?

And I REALLY am asking Wisconsinites about this because I do respect what you've done. Aren't y'all tired of being polite? When do you draw the line and attempt to shut it all down?

[white_wolf]

23. You called both of our Senators?

Why do I get the feeling they told you to go to hell? Alexander and Corker are terrible excuses for Senators.

[socialist_n_TN]

24. Well I called the OFFICES of both of our Senators.......

:) The Senators themselves wouldn't talk to a peon like me. But yes, as USELESS and as much of a waste of my time it was, I DID call their offices about the budget cuts. And no, I don't think that it will make a fucking bit of difference.

[bluestate10]

7. If republicans lose a recall election and insist on being seated,

their asses must be lead out in chains and jailed until they get the message. Republicans can't be allowed to interpret the constitution as they want it.

[socialist_n_TN]

9. Who's going to do that? Who's going to drag them

out in chains? Remember the scenario we're talking about with the recall is part of a backdrop of them enforcing a law that was, LEGALLY, restrained from taking effect. Apparently, that RESTRAINED law WILL be taking effect in late April. HOW is ignoring a TRO different from ignoring an "illegal" recall election.

[iwishiwas]

10. It is up to the judge now-she promised sanctions.

[socialist_n_TN]

11. OK. Now I know what to look for........

We'll see if Walker ignores the sanctions. Which I think he probably will.

[iwishiwas]

13. If it is a fine, the taxpayers will pay his bill.

[undeterred]

21. Well, today he decided to obey the law.

I don't know what he heard was going to happen if he didn't comply with the law, but apparently he wasn't willing to risk it. I really don't think the judge would take it lightly if the order was was ignored. It doesn't happen very often.

[socialist_n_TN]

25. I SAW that! That's the first sign I've seen in this whole..........

dustup of them backing down even a little bit. Hopefully that means that the tide has turned. But do you really trust them? I'd trust Walker about as much as I'd trust our Lt. Gov. Ramsey down here. Which is to say, not at all.

[white_wolf]

26. I don't trust Ramsey or Haslam. They both suck.

[undeterred]

27. I think it means there are people explaining to him that he's

really not the "king" of Wisconsin...and that while they can sit around in private and grouse about the other side all they want, there are times when they have to STFU and do nothing or there might be some real consequences.

[pansypoo53219]

12. lot of retirements under the old contracts.

now we have a knowledge drain.

[socialist_n_TN]

14. Since the law is not supposed to be implemented.........

then the sanctions against striking would not be legally valid yet would it?

[grahamhgreen]

17. I HOPE they can admit theat Obama should have put on his comfy shoes and gone to WI, or, at least

push back against Walker from the bully pulpit.

[white_wolf]

20. I won't lie.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Walker and Co. tried to ignore rule of law, these people think they have some divine right to hold power. If they don't step down they will hopefully be arrested.