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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 09:04 PM
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Words Used to Denigrate and Express Hatred Towards Women
The word “whore” is somewhat unusual in the English language in that it has two distinctly different meanings that superficially appear similar enough to get them confused with each other, thus enabling the use of a word that as commonly used has no purpose other than the demeaning of or expression of hatred towards women, while appearing to be a legitimate word. Let me explain.

Consider a typical definition of “whore”. Part 1 of the definition is in two sub-parts: “A woman who engages in sexual acts for money; ALSO a promiscuous or immoral woman”. The clear implication of these two sub-definitions being linked together in the same definition is that engaging in sexual acts for money or being sexually promiscuous is the same thing as being immoral.

Aside from the fact that I flat out disagree with that assertion, it must be noted that many millions of women – perhaps most – who engage in sex for money do so because they are forced to or because they need the money in order to survive. The insinuation that women who do this are immoral is demeaning – as indeed the word “whore” is specifically meant to accomplish.

Part 3 of this definition of whore is “a venal or unscrupulous person”. This differs from Part 1 in two respects: It is not gender specific, and it makes no reference to sexual activity. More specifically, as used in common usage, that part of the definition usually applies to a person who performs any immoral act for money. As in part 1 of the definition, the word is not at all value neutral – it is always used in the pejorative sense and it is meant to shame and demean. But the part 3 definition is legitimate because it is directed at a person’s actions and not at their genetically determined group identity.


Words as weapons

The word whore as used in part 1 of the definition cited above has no other purpose than to demean women or express hatred and contempt towards them. It is in some sense related to a woman’s sexuality, but it need not be, as suggested by the second part of the definition, which is simply “a promiscuous or immoral woman”.

A recent very popular novel that I read captures that use of the word perfectly. A twenty some year old woman confronts her father, who repeatedly brutalized, raped, and terrorized her mother during her childhood. Attempting to explain to him why she had tried to kill him, she says simply, “You should have left my mother alone”. His answer in defense of his actions was simply, “Your mother was a whore”. That’s all the explanation that is needed because it’s perfectly clear what he means. His several years of terrorizing of his wife were perfectly justified in his mind because she was a sub-human and deserved everything he gave her.

My point is that part one of the definition is an illegitimate use of the word. It should never be used by decent people, just as the N word should not be used by decent people, and for the same reason. These are not words in the ordinary sense of a word, but they are words that are used as weapons – to demean or express hatred and contempt towards both the individual at whom they are directed, as well as towards a whole group of people. As a matter of fact, I looked up the definition of the N word, and found the actual definition preceded by a long paragraph that starts with “The term is now probably the most offensive word in English”, and then it goes on to explain just how offensive it is, to emphasize the point that the word has no legitimate use. Well, the W word deserves a similar type of treatment, at least part 1 of the W word.

But the problem is that the other part of the definition – “a venal or unscrupulous person”, or “a person who performs an immoral act for money” – is a perfectly legitimate word. And it’s not only legitimate, but sometimes I find it difficult not to use. In fact, I have used it myself in the title of a DU post. I used it to refer to journalists who lie and distort for money or fame, and yes, I used it partly to demean them and express my contempt for them. I felt a little uncomfortable using it because of its conflation with the part 1 definition. But I used it because I simply could not think of another word that fit the bill – and I still can’t.


Words used to stereotype and justify the unjustifiable

The way that words are defined and used to characterize people greatly influences how we think of them. Throughout history, pejorative words have been used by societies as weapons, to characterize minority ethnic groups, with the purpose of marginalizing them and justifying confiscation of their property or acts of violence against them.

Naomi Wolf talks about this issue in her book, “Promiscuities – The Secret Struggle for Womanhood”. Most of you probably know Naomi Wolf best for “The End of America”, a warning that fascism is on the rise in our country and we’d better recognize it and do something about it before it’s too late. Before she wrote about fascism and the end of our country she wrote about sex. “Promiscuities” is largely a book about the problems our society causes for women through the conflicting and hypocritical messages about sex that it bombards us with. This is typified by a question a woman in the audience once asked Wolf while giving a speech: “Is Madonna a feminist or a slut?” Wolf writes:

I knew by that time… how old this question was and how mistakenly phrased. Just about all of us, I tried to say… were always struggling to integrate what both stereotypes split off from us. And we always tended to think that we were alone in that struggle. A longing for the male body is often read in our culture, even by women themselves, as being a flaw, a debilitating weakness.

I believe that Wolf’s comment that the question was mistakenly phrased says it all. The word “slut”, like “whore”, is not a legitimate word. It has no other purpose than to express contempt for women. It focuses on one narrow aspect of a person, her sexuality, and implies that because her sexual behavior doesn’t comport with one’s own opinion of what is proper, the woman is not fully human. By making this implication, the word is meant to legitimize ill treatment, including violence. There is little doubt that the use of such words, with all they imply, helps to explain why there are at least 3 million women and girls today who are enslaved in the sex trade against their will.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 09:19 PM
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1. Well said. I've never understood why
one can be considered "subhuman" for engaging in the same behavior as others in the species who happen to be male.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 09:55 PM
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3. Thank you....I've been trying to "understand" that myself for more years
than you you might imagine.
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WingDinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 10:17 PM
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6. Just as many attacks for men, acting like women.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 10:27 AM
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13. That actually just makes our point, doesn't it?
NO attacks on "men just being men".
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WingDinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 12:10 PM
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19. Gender enforcement is not gender specific.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 12:16 PM
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20. In terms of numbers it is. n/t
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WingDinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 12:19 PM
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21. It starts as soon as genitalia is recognizable.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 12:38 PM
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22. Yeah...but "male" genitalia and over all "personhood" are still preferred, unfortunately. n/t
Edited on Tue Dec-28-10 01:05 PM by whathehell
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Chemisse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 10:53 PM
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49. On a brighter note, I often hear teenagers using the term "man-whore",
in a derisive way toward male peers (I teach high school). It seems our younger generation is shunning some of the old sexual stereotypes by addressing the inequity of demeaning women for promiscuous sex but not men.

The path toward gender equality has been paved; we just need to be patient for the flow of foot traffic.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 09:21 PM
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2. ...
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 10:07 PM
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4. Thanks. Read often, DU antifeminists.
I know you won't, but sometimes I like to delude myself.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 10:16 PM
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5. All the decades after women's liberation first raised consciousness, and a woman who enjoys
Edited on Mon Dec-27-10 10:17 PM by truedelphi
Sex with many partners is a "slut" or a "whore," while a guy is still what he was then, a "stud."
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 10:31 AM
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14. Exactly....Even Thomas Paine commented on the lousy state of affairs for women
Edited on Tue Dec-28-10 10:32 AM by whathehell
particularly as it relates to the Double Standard:


"Pity the Tender Sex, for they have to deal with Men who are at once,

their Seducers and their Judges.


Thomas Paine








Edited for punctuation.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 02:55 PM
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27. That is a great quote. I had never
Heard it before. Thanks.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 03:02 PM
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28. You're very welcome....It seems Tom Paine recognized injustice when and where he saw it. n/t
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 10:39 PM
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46. +1000% --
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DeadEyeDyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 10:21 PM
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7. We want them to do it but when they do....
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 10:39 AM
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17. Yup....that very cruel irony does not go unnoticed.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 11:31 PM
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8. I agree...and I wish girls and women used them less
...seriously, I work as a mechanic in a rough-speaking shop and have a freely-cursing male clientèle, but it is a rare day that I hear the words "whore" or "slut" at work.

On the other hand, my 15 year old daughter and her girlfriends use them regularly, and my wife has no problem with them as well. I've tried to explain that the words embody hatred and the subjection of females to patriarchal authority, but they don't seem to get it...
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Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 11:48 PM
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9. exactly, i am male and never do my guy friends say slut or whore
A few say bitch, but all these words are used much more regularly by the ladies in my life.

But, neither do we say stud. I actually think a guy who sleeps with a lot of girls indiscriminately is just as bad as a woman. It's selfish though. I might eventually be with one of those girls and prefer to be disease free. When people are hooking up all the time the chances of my catching something goes up.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 10:37 AM
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16. I have to agree with you on that..
In fact the Tina Fey character in "Mean Girls" made the same point...It's counterproductive to say the least.

OTOH, oppressed people tend to "internalize" the disesteem in which they're held.


That being said, the women in your life should listen to your advice...I've given it myself many times.
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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 10:49 PM
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48. I agree. It's the same as when minorities use racial slurs against each other. People
are heavily influenced by the views of society and many are easily indoctrinated into societal biases, etc. It's so incredibly sad to hear women call other women the B word at every turn.
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SKB41 Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 02:45 AM
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10. Words as weapons
There are other words used to communicate hate,not just to women, such as 'pagan' and 'idol worshiper.'
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 09:16 AM
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12. Lots of them
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 02:58 AM
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11. K & R
I'd really like to never see this word applied to a woman ever again.

Alas, you have all too many women willing to use that word against women who don't meet THEIR satorial or sexual standards. Truth is, there are women who are perfectly willing to use the IDEA, if not the word, of "whore" as a woman who does not deserve to be in their company unless she 'repents.'

Typical middle-class Victorian bullshit. Perfectly willing to accept the patriarchal paradigm of a "loose" woman as a category of degraded being. The only difference is that they were more than willing to set a "fallen woman" up with a subsistence-level job as a house servant (for much less money than they were making before) and give them a Bible too. Because of course the reformers knew best. Poor abused dears, obviously they are not capable of having a voice of their own *wrist to forehead*

There's too much of that going on today, IMO.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 12:40 PM
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23. I agree with you completely..
I'm so disappointed when I hear girls and women fall into that shit...Frankly, it seems kind of dumb..but as I said earlier, oppressed people tend to internalize the oppression, disliking themselves and others like them...It's tragic, really.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 10:32 AM
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15. Thanks for another great article. nm
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 11:43 AM
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18. I'm surprised this can get voted up on DU given the rhetoric here in 2008. nt
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 02:00 PM
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24. Tony Porter on WHY such abuse is tolerated...
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 03:06 PM
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30. Excellent......Thanks for posting. n/t
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 04:11 PM
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36. That was a great talk, thank you
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 06:01 PM
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41. Very powerful...
Thanks for the link.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 07:04 PM
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43. That gave me a
bit of hope...
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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 02:02 PM
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25. K&R
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MicaelS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 02:14 PM
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26. What about slang terms for genitalia or sexual act?
The use of the slang terms for the penis, or part thereof, the testicles, the rectum, or a sexual act, when directed toward a man, is considered as an acceptable epithet. It is used all the time in literature, film, TV and some business environments. Those terms are used right here.

But, if the same type of slang terms vis-a-vis parts of a woman's body, are applied to women, some people, especially women, get quite upset.

Why the double standard?
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 03:04 PM
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29. It's a complex issue
Sometimes words such as you describe are used by people with no intention of offending anyone, and at other times the same words are meant to dehumanize a person. Sometimes people may take offense at words that are in no way meant to be offensive, perhaps because they have heard those same words used by people who clearly meant them to be dehumanizing.

I used the words "whore" and "slut" in this post because in those cases I think it is quite clear. Those words are always meant to be offensive and to dehumanize a woman. It would have required quite a bit more discussion to talk in sufficient detail about words that may or may not have that purpose.

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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 03:20 PM
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33. For similar reasons that being
sexually active is admired in a man, making him "a stud" but denigrated in a woman, making her "a whore" or a "slut".

In addition, a man is, generally speaking, a physical "match" for other men -- a woman rarely is. This means that, if a guy doesn't like what another man says to him, he often has the option of responding physically....This is rarely the case for women who, on average, are three inches shorter and 60 lbs lighter than men...Speaking vulgarly about a woman's body in her presence can therefore amount to bullying and abuse...As the author Michael Korda wrote in his book "Male Chauvinism" this is sometimes used as a "tool" to keep women "in their place".

Men have traditionally been "in charge" of society, which means being in "charge" of language as well...and so your question is a little like asking why white racism against blacks is so often more "potent" than black racism against whites.

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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 03:29 PM
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35. Of course it's a double standard
you see it all the time here. As a male, it doesn't bother me though. Personally, I just wish everybody would lighten up and cut out the PC routine.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 05:24 PM
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39. Not exactly, Upton...
Do read the other posts responding to this...


No, as a male you SHOULDN'T be bothered, as so little is levelled at you FOR and ABOUT your gender and you know it.:rofl:
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 03:15 PM
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31. K&R
very refreshing to see this on the DU with a high rec count.
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felix_numinous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 03:16 PM
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32. Labels used to shame
are subtle forms of social control. The use of derogatory labels is a very important indicator of social stability--it needs to be taken very seriously. I find the usage of bigoted or misogynistic language even in jokes very notable, since truth often tries to hide behind humor. Derogatory images as well as language slipped back into the mainstream a couple of decades ago, which we can directly link with the degradation of our quality of life.

I always admired that the ideals of our Republic had to do with respect of the individual, our inalienable rights. This idea alone made our country great, that we were innocent until proven guilty, and that our privacy was protected--these ideals are what we had to build on, the rights of all people regardless of race gender ideology--

Under the guise of freedom of speech, we have allowed degrading language, art and expression to go unchallenged, so these words and images have seeped into the mainstream discourse to such a degree that they are tolerated. Without context, ideas become weapons, without a sense of history or the arts, language deteriorates very quickly into a means of control. Freedom of speech, along with all of our other freedoms come with the responsibility of an informed and educated populace, or people will lose the ability to remember what freedom actually is.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 03:24 PM
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34. +100.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 05:01 PM
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38. Very well said
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 07:09 PM
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44. When Freedom of Speech
was used to open Pandora's box of porn, I knew that the Feminine would be debased even further....this time with extreme violence.

Haven't given money to the ACLU ever since.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 04:12 PM
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37. I thought See You Next Tuesday was the worst of the worst?
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 05:44 PM
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40. Fascism, ANyone??? See #5...but sadly, they are all being inplemented right now.
Edited on Tue Dec-28-10 05:48 PM by BrklynLiberal
The repukes' ability to control the message and define the debate are hastening our plummet into this. They are picking up right where they left off during FDR's terms. With or without Hitler, they will make a Fascist state of of the US.

http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/britt_23_2.htm



<snip>

Analysis of these seven regimes reveals fourteen common threads that link them in recognizable patterns of national behavior and abuse of power. These basic characteristics are more prevalent and intense in some regimes than in others, but they all share at least some level of similarity.

1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism. From the prominent displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins, the fervor to show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the regime itself and of citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always obvious. Catchy slogans, pride in the military, and demands for unity were common themes in expressing this nationalism. It was usually coupled with a suspicion of things foreign that often bordered on xenophobia.

2. Disdain for the importance of human rights. The regimes themselves viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the objectives of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the population was brought to accept these human rights abuses by marginalizing, even demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was egregious, the tactic was to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation.

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause. The most significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating as a means to divert the people’s attention from other problems, to shift blame for failures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions. The methods of choice—relentless propaganda and disinformation—were usually effective. Often the regimes would incite “spontaneous” acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists, socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals, and “terrorists.” Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly.

4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism. Ruling elites always identified closely with the military and the industrial infrastructure that supported it. A disproportionate share of national resources was allocated to the military, even when domestic needs were acute. The military was seen as an expression of nationalism, and was used whenever possible to assert national goals, intimidate other nations, and increase the power and prestige of the ruling elite.

5. Rampant sexism. Beyond the simple fact that the political elite and the national culture were male-dominated, these regimes inevitably viewed women as second-class citizens. They were adamantly anti-abortion and also homophobic. These attitudes were usually codified in Draconian laws that enjoyed strong support by the orthodox religion of the country, thus lending the regime cover for its abuses.

6. A controlled mass media. Under some of the regimes, the mass media were under strict direct control and could be relied upon never to stray from the party line. Other regimes exercised more subtle power to ensure media orthodoxy. Methods included the control of licensing and access to resources, economic pressure, appeals to patriotism, and implied threats. The leaders of the mass media were often politically compatible with the power elite. The result was usually success in keeping the general public unaware of the regimes’ excesses.

7. Obsession with national security. Inevitably, a national security apparatus was under direct control of the ruling elite. It was usually an instrument of oppression, operating in secret and beyond any constraints. Its actions were justified under the rubric of protecting “national security,” and questioning its activities was portrayed as unpatriotic or even treasonous.

8. Religion and ruling elite tied together. Unlike communist regimes, the fascist and protofascist regimes were never proclaimed as godless by their opponents. In fact, most of the regimes attached themselves to the predominant religion of the country and chose to portray themselves as militant defenders of that religion. The fact that the ruling elite’s behavior was incompatible with the precepts of the religion was generally swept under the rug. Propaganda kept up the illusion that the ruling elites were defenders of the faith and opponents of the “godless.” A perception was manufactured that opposing the power elite was tantamount to an attack on religion.

9. Power of corporations protected. Although the personal life of ordinary citizens was under strict control, the ability of large corporations to operate in relative freedom was not compromised. The ruling elite saw the corporate structure as a way to not only ensure military production (in developed states), but also as an additional means of social control. Members of the economic elite were often pampered by the political elite to ensure a continued mutuality of interests, especially in the repression of “have-not” citizens.

10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated. Since organized labor was seen as the one power center that could challenge the political hegemony of the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was inevitably crushed or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass, viewed with suspicion or outright contempt. Under some regimes, being poor was considered akin to a vice.

11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts. Intellectuals and the inherent freedom of ideas and expression associated with them were anathema to these regimes. Intellectual and academic freedom were considered subversive to national security and the patriotic ideal. Universities were tightly controlled; politically unreliable faculty harassed or eliminated. Unorthodox ideas or expressions of dissent were strongly attacked, silenced, or crushed. To these regimes, art and literature should serve the national interest or they had no right to exist.

12. Obsession with crime and punishment. Most of these regimes maintained Draconian systems of criminal justice with huge prison populations. The police were often glorified and had almost unchecked power, leading to rampant abuse. “Normal” and political crime were often merged into trumped-up criminal charges and sometimes used against political opponents of the regime. Fear, and hatred, of criminals or “traitors” was often promoted among the population as an excuse for more police power.

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption. Those in business circles and close to the power elite often used their position to enrich themselves. This corruption worked both ways; the power elite would receive financial gifts and property from the economic elite, who in turn would gain the benefit of government favoritism. Members of the power elite were in a position to obtain vast wealth from other sources as well: for example, by stealing national resources. With the national security apparatus under control and the media muzzled, this corruption was largely unconstrained and not well understood by the general population.

14. Fraudulent elections. Elections in the form of plebiscites or public opinion polls were usually bogus. When actual elections with candidates were held, they would usually be perverted by the power elite to get the desired result. Common methods included maintaining control of the election machinery, intimidating and disenfranchising opposition voters, destroying or disallowing legal votes, and, as a last resort, turning to a judiciary beholden to the power elite.

Does any of this ring alarm bells? Of course not. After all, this is America, officially a democracy with the rule of law, a constitution, a free press, honest elections, and a well-informed public constantly being put on guard against evils. Historical comparisons like these are just exercises in verbal gymnastics. Maybe, maybe not.

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 06:51 PM
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42. Good point
I guess it's one part of their strategy of divide and conquor.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 07:13 PM
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45. I have this on
a t-shirt. On the front it says, 'Fascism Sucks' and on the back the various aspects of the fascism are enumerated. So many sheeple and so few questions are asked of TPTB.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 10:43 PM
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47. Rise of the right brings new sexual perversions - exploitation of women and children, sexually ...
Edited on Tue Dec-28-10 10:44 PM by defendandprotect
as well as every other way --

Look at Comcast, for instance, and the rise of pornography on the internet --

they're making $500 million and probably much more from internet porn!

And guess who is taking over NBC?



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