“Clearly we’re witnessing one of the greatest disasters in modern time.".

[FourScore]

From Far Labs, a Vivid Picture Emerges of Japan Crisis
By WILLIAM J. BROAD
Published: April 2, 2011

SNIP

...Most of these computer-based forensics systems were developed after the 1979 partial meltdown at Three Mile Island, when regulators found they were essentially blind to what was happening in the reactor. Since then, to satisfy regulators, companies that run nuclear power plants use snippets of information coming out of a plant to develop simulations of what is happening inside and to perform a variety of risk evaluations...

SNIP

...“They don’t want to go there,” said Robert Alvarez, a nuclear expert who, from 1993 to 1999, was a policy adviser to the secretary of energy. “The spin is all about reassurance.”


SNIP

...On March 21, Stanford University presented an invitation-only panel discussion on the Japanese crisis that featured Alan Hansen, an executive vice president of Areva NC, a unit of the company focused on the nuclear fuel cycle.

“Clearly,” he told the audience, “we’re witnessing one of the greatest disasters in modern time.” Dr. Hansen, a nuclear engineer, presented a slide show that he said the company’s German unit had prepared. That division, he added, “has been analyzing this accident in great detail....”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/03/science/03meltdown.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

[msongs]

1. psst don't look at the other huge disaster, the 20K dead tsunami people nt

[FourScore]

2. Of course that is terrible,too. This thread is about Fukushima. n/t

[DCKit]

11. The tsunami is over, Fukushima will endure for centuries.

How long do you suggest we mourn?

[Bonobo]

30. It is not over and its effects will endure for generations.

"How long do you suggest we mourn?"

Nice. So you care about radiation...but why? Is it because you care so much for people? I don't see it in evidence in this post, that's for sure.

[DCKit]

78. A bit reactionary, but you're entitled to your own opinion.

After all, everyone has one of those, too.

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[vim876]

33. We can't prevent tsunamis. n/t

[Snoutport]

45. We have no choices to stop Tsunamis... we can choose to stop nuclear destruction

[Zoeisright]

80. Plus ten million.

I am fucking sick of people equating natural disasters with man made disasters. They have to be called on it, every single time.

[WheelWalker]

3. A worthy read. Thank you.

Blessings.

[kristopher]

4. Good insight into both...

the lack of transparency within the industry and manner of analysis they are using.

Thanks.

[catenary]

5. Good job cranking up the hysteria level...from a situation that has killed zero humans so far.

:eyes:

[MadHound]

6. Ah yes, deaths from radiation exposure only counts if it is an immediate death.

Long terms deaths, phht, they're nothing, they don't count.:eyes:

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[MadHound]

8. Uneducated? Really? Tell me,

How long have you worked in a nuclear plant, been an HP(assuming you even know what that term means), been in the nuclear field?

I've got years of experience in the nuclear industry, and am far more educated on the matter than you are. Your denial that people do die of cancers directly related to large exposures of radiation shows your ignorance. Take a look at the spikes of thyroid cancer around TMI, at the cancer deaths surrounding NRX, the massive cancer deaths and birth defects that were the result of Chernobyl. Educate yourself.

And if cancer deaths weren't such a concern, why would even that nuclear industry lapdog, the NRC, establish safe exposure limits?

[bvar22]

9. Relax, man.

I know "Science".
They're just venting a little steam.
These plants have been "engineered" to withstand earthquakes.
They are perfectly safe, or they wouldn't have built them.

Besides, its only a little radiation being added to what you are already being exposed to everyday.
And NEXT time, it will only be a teeny weenie little bit more added.

Its probably GOOD for you!
Did I mention that I know Science?

[sabrina 1]

12. Do you know how many people died as a result of the Chernobyl

Nuclear disaster?

[davidthegnome]

15. Uneducated people?

You're making quite an assumption there...

On what basis do you make it? Do you have a PHD? Are you a nuclear physicist? If you're suggesting that others here are uneducated in comparison to you, perhaps you'd care to elaborate on that point.

[Liberal_in_LA]

13. +100

[Bonobo]

26. Long term deaths.

Umm, that describes life, man. It's a "long term death".

If someone dies at 75 or 80 from cancer resulting from this disaster, you would put that in the same category of tragedy as being dead within 15 minutes in a swirling tide of black water that destroys you, your home, your job and everything you have ever owned?

[FourScore]

10. NYT: "Bodies of 2 Missing Workers Found at Japanese Nuclear Plant"

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/04/world/asia/04japan.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

And that's only the beginning.

[Taft_Bathtub]

64. They died in the Tsunami

Not from Radiation.

[WheelWalker]

69. Actually, I understood they died in a hydrogen explosion. No?

[Yo_Mama]

71. No

These two were reported missing from the beginning, before any explosions. They are quake/tsunami victims.
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/04/03/japan.nuclear.bodies/?hpt=T1

[WheelWalker]

75. Apparently not. Thank you for the correction.

[ohheckyeah]

18. I'd like a dollar for every time I've read that comment.

:eyes: back at ya!

[Bluebear]

29. Oh no, the dread rolly eyes from a newcomer.

[CoffeeCat]

52. I wonder if the thousands who died in Chernobyl...

...would have shared your bizarre view?

I saw a documentary on Chernobyl which detailed thousands of people who died. Gee, did all
of them die instantly?

Do you know anything about radiation and its effect on the human body?

Because no one has died - thus far - you're suggesting that information on this disaster is "hysteria"?

The article details the research and analysis of the world's best nuclear-energy experts--and how they
apply their years of expertise to understanding the Japan disaster. That's "hysteria"?

Nutty.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

55. informing and educating one's self is a far cry from hysteria

wouldn't you agree :shrug:

[valerief]

58. Like cigarettes and pit bulls, it's just a matter of time. nt

[UpInArms]

63. all who cross this threshold bring joy - some when they enter

and some when they leave

[Le Taz Hot]

84. I take it you'll be eating the Sushi?

Rhetorical question, of course.

[JCMach1]

14. The only question will be how big will the permanent exclusion zone be

:(

[BillyJack]

16. Yep ...Don't panic. Everything is under control.

:eyes:

[Bonobo]

19. Our lives in Japan go on.

Even if they wind up being shortened (and this is in great doubt), our lives go on.

We will love,we will eat, we will breed, we will sleep, we will dance and we will dream --if we can live lives of meaning and without paralyzing fear to ruin them.

Such is not the case for those lives destroyed, taken, smashed and shattered by the earthquake and tsunami.

The way I look at it is, life is short already. None of you reading this will live forever despite the hours, days and years you spend in cringing fear from the dangers around you.

Live it while you can, while there is air in your lungs.

Because one day, a crushing wave of terror may come and take it in an instant.

It could be a car crash, a gunshot or a lightning bolt. It could be cancer or a heart attack or a strange disease.

Fear is the enemy of life.

Maybe the people here in Japan are fatalistic, maybe they like to look at the light instead of the dark. Maybe they are fools.

But they go on with their life whenever possible with courage and good-natured cheer.

What else can they do?

They know, perhaps, like those in AA that you must have the serenity to accept the things they cannot change, the courage to change the things they can and the wisdom to know the difference.

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[Bonobo]

22. "Posts such as yours are a cancer on DU."

That statement says far more about you than it does about me.

[tomp]

31. a diagnosis of cancer is a psychological tsunami....

....affecting not just the stricken person but family, friends and society as well. you seem to have a callous attitude toward cancer. one can only wonder what that is about.

[Bonobo]

34. Very weak stuff indeed, child.

My mother died of cancer last year. It was her 3rd cancer and she struggled against it for 6 years.

It was no fun, but she lived during those 6 years and watched her grandchildren grow. planted her garden and travelled.

She even hooked up with an old flame from 50 years ago and had a steamy romance! That's living -and that's my point. While there is life, there is life.

Unlike immediate death.

So grow up and think about it some more.

[Kalun D]

38. So

do you tell that to the children Bonobo?

hey kid, you're 3 years old now, you've got 6 years left, better get all your living done in that time. It's okay though, you're not going to die immediately.

That's all the time you've got because there's rich people out there that are very greedy. They don't care about your life because their greed is more important.

That's all the time you've got because other supposedly smart people push the rich persons agenda, and thereby help facilitate the nuclear death industry.

So stop that weak thinking kid. Grow up and think about it, but you better grow up in a hurry, because the nuclear death pushers have only given you six years to live.

[bobbolink]

72. You forgot the part of telling them to "grow up". I suppose "get over it" is part of

the instruction book, too.

Such compassion. :puke:

[tomp]

66. i'm aware that you live there...

...and it may be that you're being a complete asshole because you're under immense stress.

or maybe you're just a complete asshole every day.

good luck to you either way.

[tavalon]

37. He lives there

He needs to work through this any way he can and if it includes a spiritual calmness in a scary situation, that's really awesome. But I think we need to cut him some slack since he is there.

[crickets]

54. +1

[intheflow]

62. +1000.

Thanks for pointing that out to people who have obviously not read the thread.

[Bonobo]

24. That you can only view my post as a personal affront against you is telling. nt

[hayu_lol]

25. There was a reference above to the 2-3 bodies of plant workers...

found dead. They drowned by the way.

The reactors did what they should do in the event of a power disruption. The tsunami knocked out both the electricity and roads and is responsible for the approximately 20,000 dead and a village vanished. Battery power to the controls at the plant lasted about 8 hours. There was no way to bring in generators to hook into the reactor's power grid--they tried by the way.

As to the mess in Chernobyl, there were no containment vessels at that reactor. They ran a test they should not have--that has been firmly established. They lost cooling and the graphite caught fire which resulted in the massive leakage of radiation.

Do you anti-nukers want to shut down nature's own reactor down in the mantle of the earth? Fission is an ongoing process there. That fission is what keeps our blue marble relatively warm and us from turning into icicles.

Google Bill Wattenberg and at least read what one real expert has to say about all of this. Journalists today don't seem to understand that when standing in the rain, might be better to go inside.

How many homes and offices of anti-nukers are solely powered by solar or wind energy?

[Kalun D]

46. LOLZ!!!

""The reactors did what they should do in the event of a power disruption.""

Yeah, 3 of them blew up, cuz that's what they should do when the parent companies cut corners on safety.

""Battery power to the controls at the plant lasted about 8 hours.""

In the worst earthquake zone on earth, the plant was only rated to 7.5 Richter.

what about the back up generators? When on the coast they say in the event of earthquake seek higher ground because of the resultant Tsunami. Uhh, that's why they put the back up generators in the.... basement. Sounds like Russian style engineering to me.

""As to the mess in Chernobyl, there were no containment vessels at that reactor.""

and the containers at Fukushima have been breached and the used fuel storage isn't really contained all that well.

""Do you anti-nukers want to shut down nature's own reactor down in the mantle of the earth?""

Straw man argument, no pro-earth person is advocating this nor has it ever even been discussed. Ahh the depths you have to dwell in to attempt to defend the Nuclear Death Industry.

""How many homes and offices of anti-nukers are solely powered by solar or wind energy?""

Ever heard of hydroelectric? Here in Washington state we get about 80% from there.

[jtuck004]

70. And we got that hydroelectric by killing thousands, (perhaps tens of thousands) of Native Americans

whose homes used to be here. They were thrown onto reservations and their food (salmon fishing) destroyed so we could
have hydroelectric. They were sent to schools where they were beaten for trying to speak their own language. Probaby not
the best example, and certainly no reason to be smug or self-righteous unless one thinks that those lives weren't as
important which, frankly, seems to be the predominant view.

When the reactors are finally under control we may find that the hydroelectric dams killed as many or more people over
a period of generations than the lack of response to Fukushima.

And at least one resource at Avista (Eastern Washington) says they only get 52% of their power from hydro. here...

The 80% figure for carbon-free resources in Washington State includes hydroelectric and nuclear here

[Kalun D]

85. What a Bullship Post

""And we got that hydroelectric by killing thousands, (perhaps tens of thousands) of Native Americans whose homes used to be here.""

the dams are on the North Cascade Highway, the Natives never even lived there.

They didn't even have electricity when the genocide of Native Americans occurred. LOLZ!

do you clutch at straws much Jtuck?

your 1st link is one company in E Wa

your 2nd link says less than 5% nuclear

so 75% hydroelectric, more than any other state

[jtuck004]

86. No, but I don't walk on dead bodies and disrespect their sacrifice. So don't waste my time.

Though I find it improbable that anyone is so uneducated they don't realize that whole communities were destroyed in the making of this, (or maybe just so arrogant they don't care)...


...
Prior to the completion of North Cascades Highway, Native Americans used this corridor as a trading route from the Eastern Plateau country to the Pacific Coast, for over 8,000 years. Beginning in the mid 1800's white settlers arrived in search of gold, fur bearing animals, and the possibility of finding a new home.
...

http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/Traffic/Passes/NorthCascades/birth.htm

[Kalun D]

87. I'm Very Familiar With the N Cascades Hiway

Never heard Native American Dwellings were torn down to build it.

Please provide links to this information because I don't believe you.

""whole communities were destroyed in the making of this,""

PROVE IT, PROVIDE LINKS

[diane in sf]

49. Bill Wattenburg is a nuclear shill--he was trying to claim that depleted uranium wasn't harming our

soldiers or the people we used it on in Iraq. he is no expert.

[girl gone mad]

50. More disinformation.

Reactors are not supposed to meltdown. That is what's known in layman's terms as an epic failure. Do you get that this is a major, major accident?

[LoZoccolo]

39. I think that accusations of paid posting are the cancer which is killing DU.

[Kalun D]

42. Predatory Corporations Are The Cancer

who said anything about pay, it's an ancillary point.

the point is the advocacy for the predatory corporations that are ruining the planet. This is a progressive Democratic forum, what's that stuff doing here?

[kristopher]

74. +1

[jschurchin]

57. My father died from Cancer when he was 60

And it wasn't from any type of radiation. Don't you think it's odd that when you get cancer they treat it with radiation?

[Ghost Dog]

21. Agreed. But the trouble with cancer is that it doesn't take you out in an instant.

It (along with other 'strange diseases') can cause great suffering during some time first.

Which is the reason why decent euthanasia laws could be a great aid to serenity.

[Bonobo]

23. My family needs me for as long as I have on this earth.

I do not want to be taken swiftly except at the very end.

Until then, life is a dance with pleasure and pain.

I will dance it as long as I am here.

Taken in an instant and the dance is over along with the chance for goodbyes.

[Kalun D]

40. Nuclear Death Industry Is Ok

Because we've managed to split hairs about how death occurs

and it is Bonobo's opinion that a slow lingering painful death is better than a quick one.

[Electric Monk]

27. That post deserves its own thread, imho. Well said. nt

nt

[Bonobo]

28. Thanks ElectricMonk. I appreciate that.

Some feel my words are some form of 'cancer' and I can't help but think that is just extremely self-serving, egocentric and small-minded.

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[jschurchin]

56. +1,000 Bonobo

Excellent post.

He is right folks. Live life to it's fullest, because when your final day comes there is nothing we can do to stop the inevitable.

[themadstork]

79. Then he should start his own thread about it.

I came into this thread thinking I'd find information/analysis on what's going on in Fukushima, and instead bonobo hijacked this thread to gloat about how acceptingly serene he was.

He seems to think that every person who seeks information on this topic is a fearful little sissie, convinced that the world is going to end tomorrow. Some of us are acting only out of a pragmatic concern for up-to-date information, and it'd be nice if he'd knock it off with the grandstanding.

[freshwest]

59. Sounds good. I'm into that strawberry/tiger choice. Enjoy life fully while it lasts.

I'm going to totally forget about this subject now.

[AlexWierbinski]

32. Stanford university, Dr. Hansen, Fukushima disaster, slideshow

Hey kids, here's the slide show by Dr Hansen at Stanford University:

Dr. Hansen, a nuclear engineer, presented a slide show that he said the company’s German unit had prepared. That division, he added, “has been analyzing this accident in great detail.”

http://iis-db.stanford.edu/evnts/6615/March21_JapanSeminar.pdf

To clarify and better understand the slide show above, I strongly suggest you review this slide show linked to below, as well as the other articles that accompany it:

http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear_power/nuclear_power_technology/boiling-water-reactor-anatomy.html

If you poke around the above site, you will encounter excellent photos and easy to understand explanations of how a GE Mark I containment nuclear reactor works.


Alex Wierbinski

CommitteeforDemocracy.org


PS: The best information out there, or the place to check all information you encounter out there is found at:

http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear_power/nuclear_power_risk/safety/japan-nuclear-crisis-briefings.html?utm_source=SP&utm_medium=link2&utm_campaign=japan-nuclear-crisis-link2-3-15-11

and

http://allthingsnuclear.org/tagged/Japan_nuclear

[xchrom]

35. recommend

[rdking647]

36. the tsunamai was one on the greatest disasters

the nuke accident,not so much

[ReggieVeggie]

41. the nuke disaster pales in comparsion to the tsunami

but it's still a huge disaster by comparison to other nuke accidents

[Kalun D]

43. Oh Really?

Some experts say that 1,000,000 people died as a result of Chernobyl.

It's also becoming apparent that Fukushima is well on it's way to being worse than Chernobyl.

So how does 1,000,000 deaths pale in comparison to 20,000?

[ReggieVeggie]

44. point taken

you should have responded to the poster I responded to

[Taft_Bathtub]

65. Who is your source on that?

The UN says less than 50 have died.

[kristopher]

76. Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences Volume 1181 Issue Chernobyl Consequences of

Using criteria demanded by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), the World Health Organization (WHO), and the United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation (UNSCEAR) resulted in marked underestimates of the number of fatalities and the extent and degree of sickness among those exposed to radioactive fallout from Chernobyl. Data on exposures were absent or grossly inadequate, while mounting indications of adverse effects became more and more apparent.

Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences
Volume 1181 Issue Chernobyl
Consequences of the Catastrophe for People and the Environment, Pages 31 - 220

Chapter II. Consequences of the Chernobyl Catastrophe for Public Health

Alexey B. Nesterenko a , Vassily B. Nesterenko a ,† and Alexey V. Yablokov b
a
Institute of Radiation Safety (BELRAD), Minsk, Belarus b Russian Academy of Sciences, Moscow, Russia
Address for correspondence: Alexey V. Yablokov, Russian Academy of Sciences, Leninsky Prospect 33, Office 319, 119071 Moscow,
Russia. Voice: [phone]; fax: [phone]. [e-mail]
†Deceased


ABSTRACT

Problems complicating a full assessment of the effects from Chernobyl included official secrecy and falsification of medical records by the USSR for the first 3.5 years after the catastrophe and the lack of reliable medical statistics in Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia. Official data concerning the thousands of cleanup workers (Chernobyl liquidators) who worked to control the emissions are especially difficult to reconstruct. Using criteria demanded by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), the World Health Organization (WHO), and the United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation (UNSCEAR) resulted in marked underestimates of the number of fatalities and the extent and degree of sickness among those exposed to radioactive fallout from Chernobyl. Data on exposures were absent or grossly inadequate, while mounting indications of adverse effects became more and more apparent. Using objective information collected by scientists in the affected areas—comparisons of morbidity and mortality in territories characterized by identical physiography, demography, and economy, which differed only in the levels and spectra of radioactive contamination—revealed significant abnormalities associated with irradiation, unrelated to age or sex (e.g., stable chromosomal aberrations), as well as other genetic and nongenetic pathologies.

In all cases when comparing the territories heavily contaminated by Chernobyl's radionuclides with less contaminated areas that are characterized by a similar economy, demography, and environment, there is a marked increase in general morbidity in the former. Increased numbers of sick and weak newborns were found in the heavily contaminated territories in Belarus, Ukraine, and European Russia.

<snip>

This section describes the spectrum and the scale of the nonmalignant diseases that have been found among exposed populations. Adverse effects as a result of Chernobyl irradiation have been found in every group that has been studied. Brain damage has been found in individuals directly exposed—liquidators and those living in the contaminated territories, as well as in their offspring. Premature cataracts; tooth and mouth abnormalities; and blood, lymphatic, heart, lung, gastrointestinal, urologic, bone, and skin diseases afflict and impair people, young and old alike. Endocrine dysfunction, particularly thyroid disease, is far more common than might be expected, with some 1,000 cases of thyroid dysfunction for every case of thyroid cancer, a marked increase after the catastrophe. There are genetic damage and birth defects especially in children of liquidators and in children born in areas with high levels of radioisotope contamination. Immunological abnormalities and increases in viral, bacterial, and parasitic diseases are rife among individuals in the heavily contaminated areas. For more than 20 years, overall morbidity has remained high in those exposed to the irradiation released by Chernobyl. One cannot give credence to the explanation that these numbers are due solely to socioeconomic factors. The negative health consequences of the catastrophe are amply documented in this chapter and concern millions of people.

The most recent forecast by international agencies predicted there would be between 9,000 and 28,000 fatal cancers between 1986 and 2056, obviously underestimating the risk factors and the collective doses. On the basis of I-131 and Cs-137 radioisotope doses to which populations were exposed and a comparison of cancer mortality in the heavily and the less contaminated territories and pre- and post-Chernobyl cancer levels, a more realistic figure is 212,000 to 245,000 deaths in Europe and 19,000 in the rest of the world. High levels of Te-132, Ru-103, Ru-106, and Cs-134 persisted months after the Chernobyl catastrophe and the continuing radiation from Cs-137, Sr-90, Pu, and Am will generate new neoplasms for hundreds of years.

A detailed study reveals that 3.8–4.0% of all deaths in the contaminated territories of Ukraine and Russia from 1990 to 2004 were caused by the Chernobyl catastrophe. The lack of evidence of increased mortality in other affected countries is not proof of the absence of effects from the radioactive fallout. Since 1990, mortality among liquidators has exceeded the mortality rate in corresponding population groups. From 112,000 to 125,000 liquidators died before 2005—that is, some 15% of the 830,000 members of the Chernobyl cleanup teams. The calculations suggest that the Chernobyl catastrophe has already killed several hundred thousand human beings in a population of several hundred million that was unfortunate enough to live in territories affected by the fallout. The number of Chernobyl victims will continue to grow over many future generations.

[intheflow]

82. Ha!

I just found this same article and posted it on fb! God, I love DU! :hi:

[Tom Rinaldo]

48. All this scare talk

Did you ever see a teenager keel over dead from taking their first puff of a cigarette? Me either. The same nerds who keep saying low level radiation kills without being able to produce a fresh corpse during laboratory testing, spent years trying to get people to believe that smoking caused lung cancer. There ain't no pile of dead people outside gas stations that sell cigarettes. That's a fact. Deal with it.

[Wilms]

51. Stanford has been altered to distance AREVA from their executives comment.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=115&topic_id=285583&mesg_id=285583

[upi402]

53. Many DUers will tell these scientists to STFU and stop panicking!

All pro-nukers need to volunteer en-masse as jumpers for $5K per day and put their skin in the game. Then I'll look at their BS.

[ArnoldLayne]

60. Maybe ever when It's all done

[alfredo]

61. In our area when new ponds leaked, we lined the bottom with

clay. Dry clay poured into the reactor might slow down the leak. Not sure if it will stop it.

[DeSwiss]

67. K&R

[Better Believe It]

68. You can download and see the Powerpoint slideshow at:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://energyfromthorium.com/&usg=__2px6gitSAc_M9PCJdPyOnmu_bCo=&h=558&w=500&sz=169&hl=en&start=11&sig2=QX7cG7x1AsjfI7gX4lYpXA&zoom=1&itbs=1&tbnid=GEMU99b2GfTCtM:&tbnh=133&tbnw=119&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dareva%2Bslides%26hl%3Den%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=uB6ZTeb1H4XPiALzpfScCQ

Click on the following after you reach the above website:

The Fukushima-Daiichi Incident, Dr. Matthias Braun, AREVA, March 29, 2011 (3.7 MB Powerpoint show)

[kristopher]

73. That sends people to a pronuke site. Do you want to give them your business?

[Better Believe It]

77. I'm opposed to nuclear power. You should view the Powerpoint slideshow before commenting on it.

The Powerpoint presentation is referenced in the posted article and the slideshow does nothing to promote nuclear power as a "safe" and "cheap" form of energy.

It does explain what happened at the nuclear plant.

"...On March 21, Stanford University presented an invitation-only panel discussion on the Japanese crisis that featured Alan Hansen, an executive vice president of Areva NC, a unit of the company focused on the nuclear fuel cycle.

“Clearly,” he told the audience, “we’re witnessing one of the greatest disasters in modern time.” Dr. Hansen, a nuclear engineer, presented a slide show that he said the company’s German unit had prepared.

Did you download and view the presentation?

[kristopher]

81. I don't patronize nuke industry websites. That presentation is available elsewhere.

Besides the dozens of times it has been posted on DU here is FDL's link:
http://my.firedoglake.com/scarecrow/2011/04/02/japan-nuclear-watch-april-2-leaks-to-the-sea-and-comments-on-areva-presentation/

[Better Believe It]

83. Your Firedoglake article on the Powerpoint slideshow posts the same link I posted!

"Then on Thursday, an apparently approved version of the presentation was posted at the blogsite, EnergyFromThorium."
http://energyfromthorium.com/2011/03/30/areva-fd-presentation/

So quit nit picking!