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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 03:13 PM Original message |
False accuser of Duke Lacrosse players charged with stabbing her boyfriend |
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dems_rightnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
1. She's saying the Globetrotters did it. |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
2. Where is the "I just know those boys are guilty" crowd now |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
65. The point of that was, to me, was how the right wing press leapt over themselves to defend ... |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:59 PM Response to Reply #65 |
183. Hiring stippers is not illegal. Black or otherwise. |
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Cid_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:07 PM Response to Reply #65 |
189. I think what bothers your side of the fence... |
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Darth_Kitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:30 PM Response to Reply #189 |
200. What's the other side of the fence, how many men are allegedly "falsely" accused all the time? |
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Cid_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:55 PM Response to Reply #200 |
219. When I refer to the other side of the fence.. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:31 PM Response to Reply #65 |
201. I wasn't following the right-wing press. |
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crazyjoe (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:51 PM Response to Reply #201 |
217. racist bastards.....:-) |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #65 |
262. They weren't guilty |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
3. ! |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
4. Them Duke boys are at it again. nt |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #4 |
257. Therad should have ended after this awesome response |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
5. If she was still in jail for her previous felony, this wouldn't have happened. n/t |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:39 PM Response to Reply #5 |
259. if you're talking about her false accusation |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:50 PM Response to Reply #259 |
268. She said many, mutually contradictory things. She couldn't have believed all of them. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 03:03 PM Response to Reply #268 |
270. Frankly, I'd have had no problem with her being prosecuted |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
6. Trust me, before this thread is over someone will show up and proclaim her the victim - just like |
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RZM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
7. The hits just keep coming with Ms. Magnum |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
163. And they gave her kids back to her after she was not convicted of arson. |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
8. pnwmom... |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 04:14 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. I was not here when the case first broke, but when one of the subsidiary episodes - maybe it was |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 04:46 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. That same attitude is fueling much of the antipathy |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. To be honest, I haven't followed that case as closely as I should, and the few posts I've here on DU |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:06 PM Response to Reply #20 |
31. Here's a place you might start. |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #31 |
50. Thank you for the link - I will definitely check it out. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:15 AM Response to Reply #50 |
237. I suggest you take a look at some independent sources also. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 11:22 AM Response to Reply #237 |
247. Are you familiar with the burden of proof? |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #247 |
272. I am speaking about the 'court of public opinion' |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:36 PM Response to Reply #237 |
277. I will definitely look into both sides of the case to bring myself up to speed. It's important to |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 04:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. My mother actually asked me the question |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:55 AM Response to Reply #8 |
235. I think there were a few more than two. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
9. Didn't we already fight the war over her personality and sexuality? |
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dems_rightnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 04:08 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. They're trying to keep her from running herself into the dirt. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 04:29 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Who is? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 04:40 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. If she's being run down into the dirt, she's the one digging the hole. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 04:45 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. That trial showcased the problem of putting the victim on trial, |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 04:48 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. "Used time and again"? Specifics, please? She hurt ALL rape victims-- |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 04:54 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. I said "will be used" |
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dems_rightnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 04:57 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. The defendants got off because they weren't guilty. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:08 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. Not before the victim had been put on trial in both court and public opinion. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:10 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. I think the issue then and now was prosecutorial misconduct. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:16 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Unfortunately, prosecutorial misconduct isn't what misogynist rape-apologists care about. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:19 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Then you should be blaming Crystal for handing those apologists |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:23 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. I blame the system that publicized the shit out of the case, |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:27 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Sorry, but the media "publicizing the shit out of the case" |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:33 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. If the case had never been publicized, they still wouldn't have gone to prison, |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. That would be news to the defense attorneys. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. so you sort of blame the system that presumes people are innocent until proven guilty? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:37 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. That's pretty much how I remember it, too. n/t |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #52 |
63. Not at all. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:47 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. Where is your evidence that her word was "questioned again |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:52 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. Well done. Since you know that calling out DUers is against the rules, |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #73 |
81. darkstar3, I was very active in those threads and I never saw |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #73 |
83. What you define as "rampant misogyny" seems to include defending innocent persons falsely accused of |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #73 |
250. I call bullshit. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #63 |
80. Her word was questioned not because of her sex but because of evidence |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:02 PM Response to Reply #80 |
87. A good description of the time period. n/t |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:38 AM Response to Reply #63 |
239. She was doubted because as more and more evidence came |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:53 AM Response to Reply #239 |
243. +1,111 and very well said. This isn't about ALL women--and making it so |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #32 |
82. I agree that will be a consequence; that's entirely the accuser's fault |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #32 |
245. Her conduct and character were never an issue before any court |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:37 PM Response to Reply #23 |
115. OJ got off too... we can't pick and choose which |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:41 PM Response to Reply #115 |
119. They weren't acquitted. The charges were dropped and the state Atty Gen'l |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:49 PM Response to Reply #115 |
127. We can logically look at all the evidence and decide whether we think |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 04:57 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. She was NOT the "victim" - the falsely accused Lacrosse players were. I knew my prediction would |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:03 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. In the case being brought to trial, she WAS the alleged victim. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:12 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. The victim was not put on trial. She got off incredibly easy, |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:20 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. She was treated from the outset as a liar and a criminal, |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:23 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. By whom? Not by the prosecutor. Not by her publicity-seeking allies. Not by DU. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:28 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. She WAS treated that way by the defense attorney, |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. The defense attorney never cross-examined her at all. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:48 PM Response to Reply #51 |
70. Cross-examination is not something that happens solely in a courtroom. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:51 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. It is the job of defense attorneys to defend their client, |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #72 |
79. In THIS case, they were right. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:00 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. Exactly what "terminology" in the OP implies that we should |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:04 PM Response to Reply #84 |
89. That's the whole problem with the OP. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:07 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. No, it's not meant to reinforce the message that "women lie." |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:09 PM Original message |
One that serves as a scapegoat, which you acknowledge with your last sentence. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
95. She's NOT a scapegoat, because she's NOT a victim! |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:17 PM Response to Reply #95 |
102. #92 clearly shows otherwise. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:32 PM Response to Reply #102 |
110. #92 merely says that Crystal, not all women, has to carry the consequences of her false accusation |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:44 PM Response to Reply #110 |
121. Sure it does, |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:46 PM Response to Reply #121 |
124. What are the consequences? Why shouldn't Crystal |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:46 PM Response to Reply #121 |
125. actually it doesn't |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #121 |
253. So you still see her as a victim? |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 11:53 AM Response to Reply #49 |
252. A defense attorney doing his job?!?!? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:49 PM Response to Reply #43 |
129. Deleted message |
hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:12 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. It never went to trial |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:14 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. You get my meaning. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:38 PM Response to Reply #37 |
59. No I don't |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Any competent HONEST investigator, you mean. n/t |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:20 PM Response to Reply #29 |
42. She is in no way, manner, shape, or form the "victim" of anything - period. Indeed, she was the |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:23 PM Response to Reply #29 |
160. Oh give me a freaking break already. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:09 PM Response to Reply #21 |
33. The defendants didn't get off because she was put on trial. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:24 AM Response to Reply #21 |
238. She wasn't a victim. The accused were the victims. They are very |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. That trial showcased the problem of presuming guilt before the evidence is in, |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 04:57 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. I don't question that. The case went to trial too fast, |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. +1, and if people knew how incredibly prevalent that tactic is |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:15 PM Response to Reply #25 |
38. I would appreciate it if everyone who cares about justice |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:52 PM Response to Reply #38 |
74. I plan to--I'm a law geek |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:55 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. I think you'll see the same parallels I did; both to the Duke case |
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RZM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. You want to shove the whole thing down the memory hole, then? n/t |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. Did I say that? |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:00 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. She. Wasn't. A. Victim. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:05 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Keep telling yourself that. |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #30 |
53. There was no trial against the Duke lacrosse team. n/t |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:34 PM Response to Reply #30 |
55. Plaintiffs don't exist in criminal cases. The STATE (as in, you and I) |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #30 |
57. Do you think the "veracity" of her statements should have been immune from being questioned? |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:01 PM Response to Reply #57 |
86. Yes I do. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:04 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. How can you not question the veracity of BOTH accuser and accused |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:05 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Logically you cannot. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:09 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. That is why you should examine each person's statement for |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:16 PM Response to Reply #94 |
101. No, you shouldn't. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:22 PM Response to Reply #101 |
105. LI work in the legal field--there's a HUGE difference between victim accounts |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:26 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. The books I've read suggest otherwise. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:35 PM Response to Reply #106 |
112. And those books would be? nt |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #112 |
118. Textbooks from my years in college, |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:45 PM Response to Reply #118 |
122. And what were you studying? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:54 PM Response to Reply #106 |
132. That doesn't change the fact that witness testimony has always |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:30 PM Response to Reply #101 |
108. wow. just wow. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #108 |
111. B,b,but--on "Law & Order" they only question the suspect! |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:37 PM Response to Reply #108 |
116. Police are involved in gathering evidence, |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:43 PM Response to Reply #116 |
120. Where are you getting your information on the legal system? |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:48 PM Response to Reply #120 |
126. Why did you focus on that and ignore the point of my post? |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:55 PM Response to Reply #126 |
133. Because you keep focusing on the role of the police and attorneys |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:59 PM Response to Reply #133 |
138. Let me ask again: |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:04 PM Response to Reply #138 |
141. It's a damn good idea to assume EVERYBODY is lying at first. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #141 |
144. There is more to investigation than either lie or truth. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:16 PM Response to Reply #144 |
154. That's precisely what happened in the Duke case, so I'm not sure why you have |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:31 PM Response to Reply #154 |
166. That's not EXACTLY what happened in the Duke case. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:26 PM Response to Reply #144 |
164. It might not be the place of the person taking the statement |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:19 PM Response to Reply #138 |
155. No, I don't understand your point. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:28 PM Response to Reply #155 |
165. And that method of creating doubt makes the victim the focus of the investigation. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:00 PM Response to Reply #165 |
184. Too bad. It must be done. It is correct and necessary |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:04 PM Response to Reply #184 |
186. You haven't shown why it's necessary. No one has. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:16 PM Response to Reply #186 |
193. You are completely unwilling to accept how the legal system works because |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:19 PM Response to Reply #193 |
195. See my post #159. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:34 PM Response to Reply #186 |
203. You are the one with misconceptions. |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 11:51 AM Response to Reply #138 |
251. you wouldn't make for a very good cop FYI |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:59 PM Response to Reply #126 |
137. We should assume ANYONE is capable of lying and view EVERY |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:00 PM Response to Reply #137 |
139. Why? |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:11 PM Response to Reply #139 |
148. Let me ask you--does everyone who reports a crime, whether they be |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:16 PM Response to Reply #148 |
153. "The full resources of justice" wouldn't be used in cases where evidence cannot be found, |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:24 PM Response to Reply #153 |
161. Law is black and white--which is something you don't seem to get, so can the condescension. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:35 PM Response to Reply #161 |
169. Now wait just one fucking minute. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:47 PM Response to Reply #169 |
173. But you also disagree with interrogating someone as a way |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:51 PM Response to Reply #173 |
177. So because I won't assume accusers are lying, I assume all claims are truthful? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:41 PM Response to Reply #153 |
171. If you're treating a statement as "neither true nor false" |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:50 PM Response to Reply #171 |
175. Guess what, you made an evidence-based decision. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:03 PM Response to Reply #175 |
185. But "He raped me |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:07 PM Response to Reply #185 |
188. Going by memory, that's not entirely true. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:10 PM Response to Reply #188 |
190. One of her many statements described her as being raped in that tiny |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:15 PM Response to Reply #190 |
192. At the risk of massive digression, |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:42 PM Response to Reply #192 |
209. This isn't 2 people in a tiny bathroom, it was 4. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:58 PM Response to Reply #209 |
223. We've dealt with the suspension. How tiny was the bathroom? Do you know? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:09 PM Response to Reply #223 |
225. All that was necessary to know is that she had as many different |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #225 |
227. And my problem with what you're saying here is two-fold. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:24 PM Response to Reply #139 |
162. It could, for example, prove that an accuser is not telling the truth. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:33 PM Response to Reply #162 |
167. That would be pointless in a situation where we assume innocence and evidence is scant. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #167 |
174. In the Duke case, there was lots of evidence, but much of it |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:54 PM Response to Reply #174 |
179. As I recall, the prosecution's case was weak without taking Crystal's statements into account. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:06 PM Response to Reply #179 |
187. The prosecutor had put out plenty of "evidence" -- enough so |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:10 PM Response to Reply #187 |
191. I don't remember any evidence that wasn't circumstantial. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:19 PM Response to Reply #191 |
194. You clearly don't understand much of anything about evidence. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #194 |
196. Circumstantial evidence is valid, now? |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:34 PM Response to Reply #196 |
202. Why don't you get back to your textbooks and study up--oh, I'll save you: |
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dems_rightnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:35 PM Response to Reply #196 |
204. Always has been. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:35 PM Response to Reply #196 |
205. Wow, backatcha--you don't know the law, period. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:46 PM Response to Reply #205 |
212. For both of you: |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:50 PM Response to Reply #212 |
216. But it most certainly is valid and admissable and you said quite plainly otherwise. nt |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:55 PM Response to Reply #216 |
220. Where? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:44 PM Response to Reply #220 |
230. Testimony can be a form of direct evidence or circumstantial evidence |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:12 PM Response to Reply #212 |
226. And what is non-circumstantial evidence? Witness statements. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:22 PM Response to Reply #226 |
229. You don't read very well. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:38 PM Response to Reply #196 |
207. Of course. Circumstantial evidence is evidence other |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:41 PM Response to Reply #207 |
208. I believe what darkstar is saying is that circumstantial evidence isn't admissable or valid. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:43 PM Response to Reply #208 |
210. S/he doesn't believe in using witness statements or circumstantial evidence. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:45 PM Response to Reply #210 |
211. Lassie? |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:48 PM Response to Reply #207 |
213. That is patently incorrect. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #213 |
228. It turns out that testimony can be either direct evidence |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #196 |
256. You have no idea how circumstantial evidence is weighed in a trial. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:36 PM Response to Reply #191 |
206. Their own attorneys acknowledged that they'd been afraid |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #139 |
255. It will serve to show the truth in the way this case actually played out! |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:45 PM Response to Reply #116 |
123. I guess you don't realize that a lot of Crystal's inconsistent statements were made to police |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:57 PM Response to Reply #116 |
134. The whole problem was no one treated Mangum as a potential liar. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:53 PM Response to Reply #101 |
131. In the American legal system, "evidence based prosecution" |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:13 PM Response to Reply #94 |
151. wasn't it inconsistant stories that made the police look twice at Ms Knox? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:23 PM Response to Reply #151 |
197. That is what they claim. But I suggest you look more deeply |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:06 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. Let's go back 80 years and consider your statement in terms of the Deep South |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:08 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. False parallel. This isn't the Deep South of the early 20th century, |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:12 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. When the accuser's own statements contradict each other |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:19 PM Response to Reply #96 |
104. If the focus had been on evidence instead of word, |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:27 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. WRONG. No one, but no one, is required to "prove" innocence. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:32 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. You mistook my meaning. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:39 PM Response to Reply #109 |
117. Victim/eyewitness statements ARE evidence just as much as fingerprints, |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:49 PM Response to Reply #117 |
128. Your view is black and white. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:58 PM Response to Reply #128 |
136. Gosh, I wonder why I would think that--maybe because it IS?! |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:04 PM Response to Reply #136 |
142. That's sick. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:11 PM Response to Reply #142 |
149. Every defense attorney is doing his job when he questions |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:23 PM Response to Reply #149 |
159. Poorly, |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #128 |
145. The truth in this case is black and white. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:05 PM Response to Reply #109 |
143. Witness statements, including accuser's statements, are part of the evidence. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:57 PM Response to Reply #104 |
135. why do not get the concept that words are evidence? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:02 PM Response to Reply #104 |
140. The prosecutor was withholding exculpatory evidence, |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:20 PM Response to Reply #96 |
156. like Ms Knox's stories? Ironic you should bring us inconsistencies if you believe in her innocence. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:34 PM Response to Reply #156 |
168. Amanda Knox was subjected to five solid days of interrogation, |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:39 PM Response to Reply #168 |
170. Now you begin to see my problem with attacking the stories of either party in a case. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:53 PM Response to Reply #170 |
178. If her interrogation had been conducted with an attorney present |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:55 PM Response to Reply #178 |
180. There's something to be said for small steps, I guess. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:56 PM Response to Reply #170 |
182. delete |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 11:25 AM Response to Reply #168 |
249. it was my understanding her first story was a lie, so they had her back... |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #30 |
64. "Keep telling yourself that"? She made a false accusation--you know, like all those false accusation |
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alphafemale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:37 PM Response to Reply #30 |
113. She. Was. Not. A. Victim. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:43 PM Response to Reply #113 |
172. It's funny you should post that pic, |
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alphafemale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:51 PM Response to Reply #172 |
231. um...That wasn't the only evidence against her |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:47 AM Response to Reply #30 |
234. There was, in retrospect, a very good reason to investigate. |
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joeglow3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 11:23 AM Response to Reply #30 |
248. From what I can see, her identity was not revealed by major outlets until... |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:22 PM Response to Reply #30 |
254. That's not even remotely true |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:18 PM Response to Reply #26 |
40. I didn't see this woman as being subject to any special trial. |
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RZM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #26 |
61. Maybe it helps remind people that she's unstable and nutty, which were factors in the original case |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:55 PM Response to Reply #15 |
181. She wasn't a victim. nt |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:55 PM Response to Reply #15 |
221. I don't know why you persist with all this |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:00 PM Response to Reply #221 |
224. And with that, |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:36 AM Response to Reply #224 |
233. You're needlessly stirring up panic based upon nothing more than your own feelings. |
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JonLP24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:47 PM Response to Reply #14 |
68. She has been |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:00 PM Response to Reply #9 |
27. She's the one running herself into the dirt |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:21 PM Response to Reply #27 |
44. Some people DO still think the players were guilty. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #27 |
45. "The woman is not right. Probably not right in the head." "a good lesson to us all not to assume" |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:51 PM Response to Reply #45 |
130. It's the kindest possible interpretation |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:53 PM Response to Reply #45 |
218. not really irony |
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Chorophyll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #9 |
77. Apparently, if you're a female person with a criminal background |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #77 |
97. Who in this thread has said anything remotely like that? n/t |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:14 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. No one. The poster above is comparing apples |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:15 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. LOL. |
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Chorophyll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:57 AM Response to Reply #97 |
236. No one said it outright, but the fact that the thread even exists |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:48 AM Response to Reply #236 |
242. Really? You've read through the entire thread? |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:57 PM Response to Reply #236 |
260. Yes, and that's totally the same as "Only nice girls get raped." |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:09 PM Response to Reply #9 |
146. She's back in the news because she tried to kill somebody by stabbing them this morning. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #9 |
263. Yeah, poor little thing, never hurt a flea. Why is everyone picking on her? |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
60. Stuff like this is why some rape victims don't come forward |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:43 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. The Duke students were slimed for the rest of their lives. |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. How? I don't know any of their names, do you? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:53 PM Response to Reply #67 |
75. Yes, I remember their names. And so do many people from their hometowns |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #67 |
78. What you do or don't know is irrelevant: those men were slimed forever, and one quick trip to Google |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:12 PM Response to Reply #66 |
150. In this particular instance I think that they were fully vindicated and everybody knows it. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:28 PM Response to Reply #150 |
198. yardwork, there are still DUers who don't know it, |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:50 PM Response to Reply #60 |
71. And false accusers make that situation even WORSE by providing anecdotal evidence |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:56 PM Response to Reply #60 |
222. So you're still holding the line that she's the "victim", here? |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:35 PM Response to Reply #60 |
264. She wasn't a rape victim. |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
85. I gotta tell you, when I first made this prediction just a few posts in to your OP: |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:14 PM Response to Reply #85 |
98. yeah, I know. But it's still kind of shocking. n/t |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:18 PM Response to Reply #98 |
103. You took me to the cleaners on that case a few times and that made me |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:15 PM Response to Reply #103 |
152. My mind has been changed here, too, blondeatlast. |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:50 PM Response to Reply #98 |
214. Good gawd. What a shit storm. |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:09 PM Response to Reply #85 |
147. They are actually pretty mellow now, |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:22 PM Response to Reply #85 |
158. Well, this is DU so you aren't exactly a psychic. |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
114. Where's Al Sharpton now? Typical. |
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Biker13 (609 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:51 PM Response to Reply #114 |
176. I Worked In NYC ... |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:01 PM Response to Reply #176 |
232. You will never forgive him for standing behind a woman |
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Biker13 (609 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:24 PM Response to Reply #232 |
261. The Fact That He Never Apologized... |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:58 AM Response to Reply #114 |
244. Same place he was during the case |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
157. Well, considering she was not convicted of arson, I am not |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
199. The patriarchy strikes again...LOL |
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Terra Alta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
215. She clearly has some mental issues. |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:47 AM Response to Reply #215 |
240. Which begs the question: If a mentally ill woman is raped, |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #240 |
258. well, in this case, it took almost a year to get the case dismissed |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 11:06 AM Response to Reply #215 |
246. This notion actually came in the press conference where the NC Attorney General |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #246 |
274. Well she was obviously deemed to be stable enough to have |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 07:58 PM Response to Reply #274 |
276. and stable enough to stand trial nt |
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Keith Bee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:40 AM Response to Original message |
241. So? |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
265. She should have been presecuted for her actions in Duke Lacrosse case |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:47 PM Response to Reply #265 |
267. The follow-up DA thought she should get mental help--but |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 03:07 PM Response to Reply #265 |
271. My gut reaction is that she should have been |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #271 |
273. I don't believe it would have made any difference, considering |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 07:15 PM Response to Reply #265 |
275. This also was addressed in Cooper's press conference |
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Electric Monk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
266. Stay classy, Crystal |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
269. Ah, old flamewars never fail to disappoint me. |
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