ok, thats two "Fuck No" votes from Ohio Joe

[Ohio Joe]

Anyone else that wants to stop me from having the right to burning religious books will get the same answer.

[laconicsax]

1. Why do you hate books?

:hi:

[Ohio Joe]

2. I don't hate them

They keep me nice and warm :P

[elleng]

3. You have the right. The question is, SHOULD YOU.

This has always been the case here. People must recognize what's a good idea, and stop harping on 'Its a free country.'

[Ohio Joe]

4. It's always a good idea

If someone goes on a killing spree and claims it was because someone burned their holy book, you lock that person up forever. You do not blame the book burner.

[elleng]

6. You may do both, lock the person up AND blame the book burner.

It was NOT a good idea to burn the book, and the burner sure as hell should recognize it.

[Ohio Joe]

7. You may feel free to be intimidated by religious nuts

I say fuck that.

[apocalypsehow]

9. +1. n/t.

[elleng]

15. 'Intimidated?' B.S. Just join the real world, and behave responsibily.

[Ohio Joe]

17. So nobody should do anything that might insult someone else?

In that case, I'd like all religion to cease right now, I find them all offensive. Please let me know when they stop offending me and I will stop offending them.

[cleanhippie]

18. One could argue that in order to behave responsibly, we need to stop believing in fairy tales...

No fairy tales, no one gets killed over burning a book.

[elleng]

21. One could argue that, but it would be foolish given the history of religions.

'We need to stop . . .' obviously won't ever happen.

[cleanhippie]

22. Exactly.

People will continue to burn books for various reasons. It will never stop. Trying to stop it is foolish, given the history of religions....

[elleng]

24. Right, foolish people will continue to burn books.

'Trying' to stop foolish people from doing foolish things, through persuasion, should never stop.

[cleanhippie]

26. So now you are advocating anarchy?

You want to try and stop persuading people from doing foolish things?

I cannot tell whether you are simply being obtuse or if you are really missing the point here.

[elleng]

29. I think you missed my meaning; Suggested continuing to persuade people

NOT to do foolish things.

I said, "'Trying' to stop foolish people from doing foolish things, through persuasion, should never stop."

[cleanhippie]

32. I think I have missed your whole point.

It seemed that you were saying that we should not do something that we believe is right, and legal, because we know it will piss off someone else who we will not hold to the same level of responsibility.

Maybe you should summarize your point?

[elleng]

35. We should not do things which, tho legal,

might reasonably be expected to cause great anger and consequently significant physical harm. IMO.

[cleanhippie]

39. But that logic could be applied to ANYTHING, including your posts.

If I tell you that your posts anger me to the point where I can "reasonably be expected to cause great anger and consequently significant physical harm", should you stop posting?

[elleng]

42. I wouldn't believe that my posts at DU reasonably would result in

'consequently significant physical harm.'

[cleanhippie]

46. But I just told you they would. So now, anything I do because your post angered me is YOUR fault.

[ZombieHorde]

50. +666 nt

[boston bean]

8. lots of people have bad ideas, should we lock em all up?

[elleng]

13. Sorry if I wasn't clear. Lock up the person who went on killing spree,

and recognize the book burner is responsible for having so angered him/her.

[cleanhippie]

19. Your post makes me angry. Do you accept responsibility for that?

Why did you do it, knowing it would anger me so?

[elleng]

23. No, but you're not so clean, are you, hippie???

:rofl:

[cleanhippie]

25. So instead of addressing the point being made, you try an attempt at sophomoric insult?

Maybe its you that needs a bath.

:rofl:


When you hurl an insult and avoid the topic at hand, you know you have just lost the argument.

[elleng]

27. Sorry if you missed the humor, cleanhippie.

As to addressing the point being made, read the whole thread.

[cleanhippie]

28. Yeah, I did, thats why I am responding to you. You seem to be missing it.

The point that is. Flying right over your head, apparently.

[snagglepuss]

31. You haven't answered cleanhippie's question. CH asked whether you'll

take responsibility for making him/her angry.

[elleng]

34. Sure, even tho not reasonably predictable imo.

[snagglepuss]

36. Fair enough. But as it looks like a majority of DUers get angry when

people suggest an amendment to prohibit Koran destruction, will you start tempering your remarks?

[elleng]

41. No, because it is not reasonble to expect that DUers' anger

would result in physical harm to anyone/thing.

I would be angry/annoyed/pissed at such a suggestion, re: Koran, in fact.

[cleanhippie]

43. *Facepalm*

DO you really not see the hypocrisy?

[cleanhippie]

37. Sure it is. I told you already and am telling you again. If you post one more time, anywhere

on the internet, it will anger me to the point that I will be forced to harm someone in retaliation for your lack of respect for my beliefs, and YOU will be fully responsible.


Does that sound fair to you?

[elleng]

44. Who's talking about 'fair?' Red herring.

I'm talking about reasonable behavior by adults.

[cleanhippie]

47. Uh, yeah, me too.

Perhaps your definition of reasonable differs from mine.

You obviously are not seeing the point here, or are simply being obtuse.

[ReggieVeggie]

14. Shoulda, woulda, coulda

May not be a good idea but I'll defend Jones' right to do it

[Angry Dragon]

5. .........

:popcorn:

[rug]

10. Any other books you care to burn?

[Ohio Joe]

12. Yes

Every last copy of all of the books in the Twilight saga.

[cleanhippie]

20. +1 for great answer to an asinine question.

One might say you pulled the "rug" out from under him.


:rofl:

[rug]

30. And what books do you want to burn?

[cleanhippie]

33. Again with the asinine question.

Nowhere did I, nor the other poster state we want to burn books.

Play with your strawman by yourself.


But on second thought, the twilight series does seem a good candidate.

[rug]

38. Ok, just wanted to make sure you got it.

[cleanhippie]

40. Oh, I think we all got it the first time.

Strawmen are easy to spot.

[rug]

45. "we"? Exactly how many people helped you type?

[cleanhippie]

48. The same ones that said they wanted to burn books.

[rug]

49. Are you capable of posting a thought without looking around for approval?

[cleanhippie]

51. And right on cue, here comes the ad homenim.

SO predictable. SO fail.

[rug]

52. That's ad hominem, not to be asinine.

[cleanhippie]

53. Then comes the deflection by pointing out typos.

Its all so, routine for you, huh? Almost like you are on autopilot or something.

[Turborama]

56. !

:rofl:

Hilarious retort to anyone who thinks they are speaking for the hive, I'm going to remember that one. :thumbsup:

[snooper2]

57. I don't know about cleanhippy, but I've got a stack of Lucent manuals

sitting here just taking up space...

This thread has inspired me to take them home and use them as fire starters :)

Along with the twilight series..if I get the okay from the wife :P

[alcibiades_mystery]

11. Ay yay yay

This is what you're worked up about?

Preposterous.

[Iggo]

16. I know, right?

Two obvious No votes from me as well.

[Snoutport]

54. THEN GO BURN THEM IN THE MIDDLE EAST. Go on, be brave. We'll pay for the ticket

And we just can't wait to hear what the reaction was.

Let us know!

(and, if you don't want to go burn the books in Egypt, could it be because, deep down, you know it isn't a good idea?)

[cleanhippie]

55. Did I miss the part where the OP stated he wanted to burn any books at all?

I guess so. You made that part up, didn't you?

[Ohio Joe]

58. Yes, so much better to give up your rights in appeasement

The question was never are there crazy people who will kill if you burn their holy book but rather why give in to them? When will you draw the line? Or will you simply do anything to not piss them off? How much room will you give them and keep blaming the victim? Was Theo Van Gogh just an idiot for making his movie?

[apocalypsehow]

59. This post, 1961: THEN GO TRY TO REGISTER BLACKS TO VOTE IN THE SOUTH. Go on, be brave. We'll pay

pay for the ticket.

And we just can't wait to hear what the reaction was.

Let us know!

(and, if you don't want to go register blacks to vote in Alabama, could it be because, deep down, you know it isn't a good idea?)

Same shit, different decade.

The right to exercise any or all of our civil liberties is precisely that: a RIGHT. It is not contingent upon who gets the most upset about it.


Edit: typo.