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SmileyRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 08:47 AM Original message |
MEDICARE FOR ALL |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 08:48 AM Response to Original message |
1. recommend |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
2. Bless your heart. I appreciate you and your efforts. |
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Scruffy1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
3. Check out this video |
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stockholmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:02 AM Response to Reply #3 |
50. 3 large obstacles to an effective, socially just USA health care system (from an EU perspective) |
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BlueCollar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 08:50 AM Response to Reply #50 |
64. well put...n/t |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 09:01 AM Response to Original message |
4. Excellent idea! |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
5. What if ALL do not want it? |
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paparush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 09:09 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. It's available .. it's an option . . it's a safety net . . it's not mandatory. |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #7 |
18. Funding for Medicare isn't held out of paychecks? |
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TxVietVet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 08:24 AM Response to Reply #18 |
62. It's all about YOU. |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:46 AM Response to Reply #62 |
75. I also served |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 10:50 AM Response to Reply #75 |
88. You have the option of being treated by the VA... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Let me make one point, though |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #89 |
97. For any procedurethat would be cosmetic, except it the case of |
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TxVietVet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 04:31 PM Response to Reply #88 |
101. "DEATH PANELS" are the insurance companies that deny you service you pay for. |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 04:55 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. That's what I ws saying... |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:32 AM Response to Reply #88 |
109. Yes I do have that option |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 07:13 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. Let me put it to you this way... |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 10:08 AM Response to Reply #7 |
84. EVERYONE who pays into it IS participating |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 09:14 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Is that a serious question? When you reach 65 you are eligble for Medicare. |
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SmileyRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 09:19 AM Response to Reply #5 |
11. So don't use it. |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 12:52 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. That is not how it works |
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SmileyRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 01:36 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. There are already plenty of options with Medicare |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:31 AM Response to Reply #22 |
69. Not the issue |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 06:32 PM Response to Reply #5 |
23. what if I don't want to pay for our military? nt |
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Foo Fighter (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 02:09 AM Response to Reply #23 |
45. Exactly! n/t |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:34 AM Response to Reply #23 |
70. Then change the Constitution |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 01:00 AM Response to Reply #5 |
39. No one will be forced to see a doctor. If they wish to see one, they will |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 06:06 AM Response to Reply #5 |
48. I don't want war |
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paparush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
6. That was THE slogan that should have been stamped on america, every minute of every day, for months. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
8. K&R nt |
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jannyk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
9. Kick & Rec! |
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Lugnut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
12. K&R n/t |
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newtothegame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
13. Great idea, IF the gov can figure out a way to actually keep hospitals open under such a proposal. |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 11:57 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Reasonable co-pays and monthly payments could alleviate that problem |
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newtothegame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Agreed. But sorry, in the world of rural healthcare, Medicare/Medicaid ARE the mafia insurers. nt |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 11:48 PM Response to Reply #16 |
31. Medicare Part A isn't "good care" |
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Liquorice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 01:16 AM Response to Reply #31 |
41. Yep, it's far from good care. I can't believe how bad Medicare is, actually. Until |
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mahina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 04:46 AM Response to Reply #41 |
47. I have dental and vision coverage and two fillings cost 200. |
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tucsonlib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 01:50 AM Response to Reply #31 |
44. Agreed |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 08:56 AM Response to Reply #44 |
65. 103.2: Conversion of investor-owned providers |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #44 |
90. Note that England and other countries do not cover dental either |
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stillwaiting (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 06:49 PM Response to Reply #13 |
24. We need to nationalize the ENTIRE health care system. Drugs, hospitals, medical technology, etc. |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:42 AM Response to Reply #13 |
56. Think of all the billions of dollars wasted on paying for Insurance corporation CEOs' salaries. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 08:17 AM Response to Reply #56 |
61. No. That's not part of the "twice per capita" |
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ardy (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #13 |
92. Well, I guess |
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area51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 07:06 AM Response to Reply #92 |
119. Welcome to DU, ardy. n/t |
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Bennyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
14. Show me the MONEY.... |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 12:24 AM Response to Reply #14 |
35. We are already paying twice the money every single other country pays to cover everyone |
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Sherman A1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 06:39 AM Response to Reply #35 |
49. Precisely |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:08 AM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Tell the doctors who will have to treat 50 million more patients that |
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Sherman A1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:59 AM Response to Reply #54 |
58. And we should tell the people who need treatment what? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 08:14 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. "We must do better" is not a plan |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:44 AM Response to Reply #59 |
74. More jobs! Create more national universities where doctors and nurses |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:48 AM Response to Reply #74 |
78. I'm all for it |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #74 |
91. This is an excellent idea, wonder why it has not been discussed much nt |
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Sherman A1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 03:51 AM Response to Reply #59 |
107. A Plan. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:07 AM Response to Reply #35 |
53. No, there's not |
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RBitt (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:30 AM Response to Reply #53 |
68. Read HR 676... Your assumption is incorrect |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:36 AM Response to Reply #68 |
72. 676 dissolves all for-profit medical care providers |
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theophilus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
15. I SO agree. If we had MFA, publicly funded elections, and a Green energy/infrastructure |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
20. I do all those things and |
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area51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
21. +1 |
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stillwaiting (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
25. k & r |
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somone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
26. Yep. Medicare for all! |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
27. Big kr |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
28. Will our "Dems" leaders push this when the Repukes try to oust Obama's give-away to Healthcare Indus |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
29. K&R nt |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 11:41 PM Response to Original message |
30. Find a way to fund it without bankrupting hospitals or GPs |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 12:25 AM Response to Reply #30 |
36. We fund it with the money we are already paying, which is TWICE |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:04 AM Response to Reply #36 |
51. Paying twice per capita for care (not insurance), we only cover 83% of our population |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:48 AM Response to Reply #51 |
79. Most doctors would prefer to work in a system where they |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:51 AM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Well, they certainly pay eventually |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 11:25 PM Response to Reply #51 |
106. We take the insurance companies out ot fhe pucture, and there is plenty of money n/t |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 11:43 AM Response to Reply #106 |
110. That "twice per capita" doesn't include insurance premiums |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 11:27 PM Response to Reply #110 |
113. Wrong. Administrative costs are included n/t |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 06:05 AM Response to Reply #113 |
114. No, they're not. 2.6 trillion is simply payments to providers (nt) |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 06:44 AM Response to Reply #114 |
115. Let's see your link. n/t |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 06:50 AM Response to Reply #115 |
116. Here's Kaiser for 2007 |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 11:37 PM Response to Reply #116 |
120. This data is for the US only. Have I misunderstood you? I thought you were disputing my claims |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
32. K&R |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 11:50 PM Response to Original message |
33. Yes, but can we get rid of the provisions that the government can put |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 12:43 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Then choose to die rather than spend money on end of life care n/t |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #38 |
94. Euthanasia is another issue we need to deal with, then. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:06 AM Response to Reply #33 |
52. And, this is the heart of the problem |
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RBitt (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:43 AM Response to Reply #52 |
73. READ THE BILL |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:47 AM Response to Reply #73 |
76. I've commented on it three times in this thread |
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Caretha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #76 |
98. Who is going to revolt? |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #52 |
93. I don't have a problem for paying for it in other ways. But I am very bothered by |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. They pay their doctors and nurses less, run fewer tests, |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Thank you. We have a lot of work to do to get ourselves into that kind of situation. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 12:22 AM Response to Original message |
34. Welcome back, Ms. Rose. Lots of us are with you all the way n/t |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 12:34 AM Response to Original message |
37. K&R |
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earcandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 01:09 AM Response to Original message |
40. I will copy and paste all over! Love it. And my Worker Bee song is below! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 01:18 AM Response to Original message |
42. This should have been done more than a year ago ... guess we though Obama/Dems ... |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 01:47 AM Response to Original message |
43. If you could stick with a cause, we might get somewhere. |
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tomm2thumbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 02:25 AM Response to Original message |
46. Get California to start, and let residents of other states buy in - sheer numbers could win this |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:10 AM Response to Reply #46 |
55. Because Medicaid has worked so well? |
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wilt the stilt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:42 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. are you insured by your employer? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 08:15 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. By my employer |
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wilt the stilt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:01 AM Response to Reply #60 |
66. Because you posts smack |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:09 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Arithmetic "smacks of typical republican bullshit"? |
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wilt the stilt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:34 AM Response to Reply #67 |
71. If and when we get real reform |
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wilt the stilt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:47 AM Response to Reply #60 |
77. you say you have dealt with the horrors |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:49 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. I'm single with no kids so I don't know |
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wilt the stilt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:55 AM Response to Reply #80 |
82. OH!So you don't really know about the horrors |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:59 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Bwah |
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wilt the stilt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 10:14 AM Response to Reply #83 |
85. It would take about 5- 10 years to correct |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 10:19 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. "Preventative care will be non profit" |
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wilt the stilt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 10:35 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Insurance is the main problem |
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Still a Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
63. K & R |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
99. Tweet it to Robert Gibbs everyday |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
100. Just saw this thread now - too late to Rec. but I will kick. |
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The Gunslinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
102. That's impossible after our "Democratic" leader |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 07:06 AM Response to Reply #102 |
118. That's not true |
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Zax2me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
104. Over 24 hour REC - K&R |
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SalviaBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
105. I'm in. Great idea. |
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panzerfaust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 05:25 AM Response to Original message |
108. But has not Obama brought us "universal healthcare" with Obamacare as his great "win" |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 09:00 PM Response to Reply #108 |
112. "Yes we could've" - if we had not silenced advocates ... |
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121. Kick for 2011. n/t |
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