here is what I wish for michael vick

[niyad]

I wish that every night, in his dreams, he feels every single moment and pain of the torture and abuse he and his cohorts committed. may he hear the cries, feel the pain and fear and suffering, may he and those who helped him never know a single moment of peace or respite in their sleep.

I wish the same for every single person involved in this perverted, ugly, cruel business, including those who view it as entertainment.

I wish the same for every single person who harms another living being of any species.

[Buzz Clik]

1. You spoiled my bacon and egg breakfast.

Here's my wish for you: get over it.

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[Catherina]

3. I second that. Rec'd n/t

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[Buzz Clik]

7. That's pretty bad karma.

... or pretty transparent irony...

[tekisui]

30. I'm not worried about it.

What I find ironic is the sudden compassion for Vick after Obama stuck his foot in it.

[Buzz Clik]

46. The "compassion" isn't new. The discussion is simply recycling.

When Vick got out of jail, the same discussion flared then.

I understand why people were adamant about Vick being punished to the fullest extent. The continued vitriol is confusing -- it's not like he got away with it.

[TBF]

5. K&R nt

[dkf]

6. How's about people who eat cows?

Or chickens or turkeys or pigs?

Maybe we all deserve to be eaten by lions or something.

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[blondeatlast]

19. Did you electrocute dogs? Did you use stolen pets for bait?

Did you methodically, deliberately torture (not just beat--there's a big difference) other living beings?

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[blondeatlast]

42. But did you torture living creatures? Did you use defenseless living creatures as bait

for other living creatures beaten savagely in order to turn them unthinkably vicious, even beyond their own instincts?

I'm betting not. Murder is bad--but torture is it's own special brand of horrendous that makes the victim's death a mercy.

[frylock]

34. i pullled the teeth out of a chicken's mouth and strapped it to a rape rack just last nite

[proud2BlibKansan]

9. I wish we would stop posting about him

[WingDinger]

10. Other than Darrell Issa, would you brand for life, every car thief?

[Kalyke]

37. Stealing cars isn't torturing a living being.

God, can't some of you people see the damn difference between a thief and a torturer? It looks like after eight years of Bush, you'd understand what torture means.

[john donathon]

11. obviously

Nobody here believes in second chances.
Its interesting though that nobody gives any shit to Donte Stallworth.
hubpages.com/hub/nflfootballstallworth

[Wickerman]

12. My wish is for a DU Mike Vick forum

Michael is a bad, bad man, no doubt. But, perhaps there are other autrocities going on?

Maybe we could have, perhaps, a DU Outrage Du jour for whatever causes people to post repeatedly next week?

[blondeatlast]

18. Thanks for kicking the thread!

Can the adults on DU talk about what the adults want to talk about, please?

[Wickerman]

22. Sure, when they behave like adults

and don't start a new thread every hour on the hour on the same freakin' topic.

[blondeatlast]

28. Sorry, skinner. We'll try to do better next time.

Have I mentioned how much I revile board nannies--even if they are nannying on about subjects I myself wish weren't discussed to death--but keep to myself?

[Wickerman]

35. Good for you

that would make you a better person than me, of which I never had a doubt. Now, please, go to the dollar store, buy a medal - then, with that recognition, perhaps you'll stop posting in every Vick thread when someone has an opinion you disagree with. :shrug:

[blondeatlast]

38. It won't, but thanks for caring. nt

[obxhead]

13. I hope you're a vegan. nt

[wtmusic]

23. +1

[ET Awful]

24. Unless Vick was eating the dogs he tortured and killed, that's irrelevant.

There is no correlation between eating animals killed for food and torturing animals to death for not being tough enough to kill other animals.

And for what it's worth, other than fish on rare occasion, I am a vegetarian.

[obxhead]

29. It's completely relevant.

Go to a mass chicken farm and tell me those animals are not living in torture.

Go to a veal farm and tell me those animals are not living in torture.

Look at the dolphins that are drowned to death in tuna nets and tell me that's not torture.

It's completely relevant.

[ET Awful]

47. So you're saying Vick DID eat the dogs?

There's a HUGE difference between the two and you know it.

To say that someone who eats meat has no right to criticize Vick who tortured and killed dogs and let their bodies rot behind his house is merely a poor (a VERY poor) attempt to legitimize what he did.

Unless Vick was actually consuming the animals he killed, then your argument has no merit.

[obxhead]

50. There is NOT a HUGE difference

and you should know it.

Lets take the example of the chicken in an industrial setting. Those chickens are locked in a cage so small they can barely turn in a circle much less spread their clipped wings. They spend their entire lives in this cage without ever seeing the light of day. They are pumped with hormones and food until they are brought to a plant and slaughtered. Hardly what I would call a good life.

Now Vick's dogs on the other hand literally had a fighting chance. If they fought well I'm sure they were rewarded with a good meal and another day of life, something the industrial chicken never had a chance to do. Was it a good extra day? No, not even close.

Now, I'm not justifying anything Vick did to those animals. It was cruel and subhuman in my opinion. He has paid a price for that and the argument could be made it was not enough of a price, but according to the law he has paid it.

The two are nearly equal in my mind as far as actual treatment. The difference comes when people have righteous indignation for Vick while they eat a chicken sandwich and scream about it during Sunday football.

I don't see weekly threads here on DU taking the president of "Acme" chicken co to task for treatment of animals. Maybe if that pres played football it would be different, but I doubt it.

[ET Awful]

51. The difference, since you apparently can't grasp it in your desire to defend Vick,

is that in one case, the animal is at least eaten and serves some kind of purpose (as atrocious as their pre-death treatment was).

In the other, the animal is first forced to fight, then tortured, then killed in as heinous a manner as possibly, then left to rot.

If you can't quite comprehend the difference, your bias is obvious.

As to the treatment of animals in factory farms, that's an entirely different and unrelated subject. Your poor attempts to equate the two don't change that.

[obxhead]

54. No. I can comprehend just fine.

The problem is you have a justification for one purpose, but not the other.

Vick's dogs were serving a purpose, entertainment. Was it right? No. Was it justified? No. Is Vick a bad man for doing it? Yes.

What you are saying is torture of animals is just fine, top of the world wonderful because we EAT them. Stop and think about what you are saying for goodness sake. If we ATE people would that make GITMO ok? Would it make Abu Ghraib? That's EXACTLY what you are saying.

There is little difference other than one act is justified by you, the other is abhorred you. The FACT is both groups of animals are tortured daily. The fact that McDonalds can take those tortured chickens and make a dollar sandwich from them is hardly a reason to allow a corporation to torture an animal. It seems you are perfectly fine with that though.

Edit to add:

What you're really saying is that the end result of the Vick torture was the real problem. If he had processed the dogs after their torture and shipped them off to a country that eats dogs to be consumed his torture would be just as justified as any mass production food processor that uses tortured stock.

[ET Awful]

59. You have a reading comprehension problem.

I never said either was okay, in fact, I denounced factory farming (you DID read what I've posted right?).

What I'm really saying is that there is a huge difference between killing animals for food and killing them because they didn't kill other animals well enough to please you.

I guess you also missed where I said I didn't eat animals (but for the very rare fish right?).

[obxhead]

61. Yes, I get it

You don't LIKE to see animals tortured. If we eat them you won't get too upset though.

[ET Awful]

67. I get it, you don't comprehend English too well.

Is it a second language for you?

I mean I understand your desire to defend Michael Vick, I do. . . wait, no I don't.

If you can't see the difference between killing animals for food and killing animals for not killing other animals efficiently enough, I'm through trying to explain it to you.

[obxhead]

71. I understand the English you have written just fine.

It is unacceptable to torture and then kill an animal for sport/entertainment.

It is acceptable to torture and then kill an animal for food.

I am not defending Vick's treatment of animals. All I have ever defended Vick on is the fact that he has paid his debt to society as deemed necessary by the courts.

[superduperfarleft]

32. I am. n/t

[Ignis]

60. I'm not the OP, but I'm a 20-year vegan and I agree. Your point?

:shrug:

[obxhead]

64. Duh?

The OP is wishing great tragedy on anyone that tortures or condones torture of animals.

If the OP eats meat he/she is part of a system that tortures animals.

[PBS Poll-435]

14. If the Eagles were not a winning team this year... nt

[COLGATE4]

15. Intense overrreaction.

[blondeatlast]

16. Some good news about Michael Vick.

Apparently, the vile breed of humanity that exists on Madison Avenue thinks he's too toxic for even them. Well, actually, they appear to know he's toxic, PR-wise, but it still gives me a somewhat perverse satisfaction that the PR machine isn't working.

so far, his big endorsement deal consists of a NJ Nissan dealership. A local dealership. No Nike, no Reebok, no Gatorade--no big, big money.

There's hope yet for humanity.

[thelordofhell]

44. Give them time

Ray Lewis stabbed two people to death and yet he's the Old Spice guy.

[meow mix]

17. recommended

agree here.

[southernyankeebelle]

20. Get over it. Am a dog lover and would never think of doing what Vick did. But the man paid for his

crime. When the hell is enough enough?

[truebrit71]

39. See, i half agree with you, but the other half wants him to rot...

...as far as Vick is concerned his ascension to almost unimaginable wealth was merely placed on hold whilst he "paid for his crime", and now he gets to resume his path to wealth and fame....the dogs however, not so much...

He is a superbly gifted athlete, and in this culture that means he's pretty much forgiven if he shows enough 'remorse' and his crime wasn't murder or bring gay, but I still can't square the circle enough to get past the vicious evil this man was a part of purely for his profit and pleasure...

It's the tough choice between 'justice' and 'revenge'...I'm not sure he's received one, and i still think he deserves some part of the other..

[AndrewP]

62. I'll pass on that.

[Rebubula]

21. Forgiveness

It is interesting that people here lionized a man that left a young woman to die while he walked down the road to a motel and had a nice sleep - But, forever condemn and wish harm on a man that was abusing animals.

Guess as long as you fight for our causes, you can do just about anything and be forgiven.

[Pathwalker]

25. May that which you wish for others come back to you threefold.

Progressives no longer believe in second chances I see.

[frazzled]

26. In other words

You're fine with the pain of humans, but not the pain of animals.

Got it.

[TexasObserver]

27. I wish people obsessed with Vick would put their time to good use.

I wish everyone who obsesses over Vick would spend all that time actually doing something positive.

Feeding stray humans is a worthy endeavor.

Adopting or rescuing humans is a worthy endeavor.

Or course, humans aren't pets, so they think and reason and have demands pets can't make.

I don't understand vengeance ideations, but that's me.

[AndrewP]

63. I wish people obsessed with defending him would put their time to better use

[TexasObserver]

70. Not defending Vick. Defending the concept of time served and rehabilitation.

As a life long liberal, it's one with which I'm familiar.

Would you like me to explain why rehabilitation and a second chance are liberal ideals?

[panader0]

31. So that would include all of our military people?

And the tax payers that fund the wars?

[DefenseLawyer]

36. Why is it always okay for dog lovers to be mean spirited, self righteous jerks?

I mean please.
"I hope Michael Vick dies!"
"Yes I hope he and his whole family are ripped apart by rabid wolverines and then the pieces are scooped up and put in prison for a thousand years!"
"Gee, guys, that's pretty harsh isn't it? Like bordering on insane."
"No it isn't. We love dogs."
"Oh. My bad."

[chimpymustgo]

52. That deserves its own OP (in the Vick forum!). Good post.

[DevonRex]

55. Thank you. nt

[SidDithers]

56. ROFL...

:thumbsup:

Sid

[bluestate10]

65. Touche!!!!!! nt.

[NoGOPZone]

40. You'd have a hard time finding a person who has never harmed another living being of ANY species

Plants, insects and germs are species too. ;-)

[obxhead]

41. I bet the OP has brutally murdered tens of thousands

with their windshield.

[BobbyBoring]

43. I wish

He relives this every day, Like Ground Hog Day!!

http://www.facebook.com/#!/video/video.php?v=173548239352558

[sofa king]

45. Do you weep for the billions of living beings you murdered today?

That's assuming you washed your hands, of course.

[WiffenPoof]

48. Yes...I Agree

Because the death penalty is not enough. He should have a life of suffering that is worse than death. *sigh*

Geeze people....get a grip.

-PLA

[cleanhippie]

49. DO you eat meat?

If so, unless you feel what you want want Vick to feel, you are a big fucking hypocrite.

[treestar]

53. If he is not in jail, I don't wish that

Since he would remain miserable and likely harm others. I would rather he acknowledged the wrong and moved past it.

The problem I have with wanting people to remain punished in some way when they are no longer in custody is that if they are out there and not full members of society, they are more likely to feel they are not part of society and thus re-offend. I see no point in that. And only a chance of harm for the rest of us.

[SidDithers]

57. Yay! Revenge!! Blood-lust!! Yay!!..nt

Sid

[cottonseed]

58. We're all KILLERS!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x81937

[strawberryfield]

66. I wish Vick a super bowl victory and an MVP award

I didn't before, but frankly I am getting a little tired of reading a bunch of posts by whiny self righteous animal lovers who have their panties in a wad because reality isn't living up to their vision of justice. It would be really fun to watch a few heads explode.

[Number23]

68. Seek help.

[Alenne]

69. That's just dumb. nt

[badtoworse]

72. I think you need to lighten up

What he did was wrong, but he's paid his debt. Grow up and deal with it.