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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 02:17 PM
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The Economist slams Paul Ryan's plan to replace Medicare as "fundamentally immoral"
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/04/medicare_reform


Medicare reform
You put the load right on me
Apr 5th 2011, 13:55 by M.S.


PAUL RYAN'S plan to replace Medicare with a system of vouchers for seniors to buy health care on the private market has only been vaguely described, as of this writing. But there is one thing about it that's fairly clear, regardless of what's in the details Mr Ryan will announce today: Mr Ryan's plan ends the guarantee that all American seniors will have health insurance. The Medicare system we've had in place for the past 45 years promises that once you reach 65, you will be covered by a government-financed health-insurance plan. Mr Ryan's plan promises that once you reach 65, you will receive a voucher for an amount that he thinks ought to be enough for individuals to purchase a private health-insurance plan. (Mr Ryan insists that his plan doesn't entail a "voucher", but there is no meaningful distinction between getting a voucher with which to pay for insurance, and having the government send a payment to the insurer you choose.) If that voucher isn't worth enough for some particular senior to buy insurance, and that particular senior isn't wealthy enough to top off the coverage, or is a bit forgetful and neglects to purchase insurance, there's no guarantee that that person will be insured. It's up to you; you carry the risk.

Mr Ryan thinks this is a good thing, because individuals who are responsible for paying for their own health insurance will be strongly motivated to seek better insurance at a lower price. I think this is a terrible thing, because the mechanism Mr Ryan is using to incentivise people to seek better coverage for the price is to expose them to the risk that they will suffer from disease for which their insurance doesn't cover them. The threat that you will suffer illness with inadequate treatment because you can't afford it and your insurance doesn't cover it is certainly a pretty strong motivator for most people to seek better insurance. But the purpose of insurance is to insulate people from risks like that. Furthermore, individuals do not have negotiating power when they go up against health-insurance companies. You and I don't know what the risks or costs of different illnesses and treatments are, and we don't have the time or expertise to evaluate the legal fine print of insurance agreements with the care and attention devoted to them by the insurance companies who write them.

The idea of making market forces work to bring down health-care and health-insurance costs is plausible. What's not plausible is the idea that average individuals are the best-placed people to be carrying out those negotiations. It's entirely possible to set up markets where powerful, well-informed organisations represent individuals in negotiations with insurers and providers in order to bring prices down, without putting those individuals at risk of losing their coverage or of having to go untreated. That's how the Affordable Care Act envisions saving money on Medicare, without running the risk that the elderly will lose their health-insurance coverage. Mr Ryan's proposal is to save money by capping the amount the government will spend on insurance, and letting individual seniors fight the rest out on their own.

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Insurance is all about spreading risk. Guaranteeing health insurance for the elderly takes their risk of high health-care expenditures and spreads it out across the population. Unfortunately, with the risk so diffuse, there's insufficient incentive for anyone to control costs, so government expenditures on Medicare are becoming unacceptably high. Mr Ryan's proposal to privatise and voucherise Medicare attempts to reintroduce the incentive to cut costs by dumping that risk back onto individual seniors. And the greatest risks will fall on the poorest, sickest, or least savvy elderly; they will be the ones most at risk of going uncovered. I agree with Mr Ryan that the government needs to limit taxpayers' exposure to Medicare cost inflation. I think this plan is a fundamentally immoral way to do it.



I found this blog at The Economist via a link in a blog on the CBS MoneyWatch site

http://moneywatch.bnet.com/economic-news/blog/maximum-utility/the-ryan-plan-is-fundamentally-immoral/1249/

which points out that "even people not particularly enamored with government involvement in health insurance do not like the Ryan plan for Medicare."
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 02:29 PM
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1. The Economist's "pro-market" beliefs are not as solid as they appear.
They are more or less concerned with stability. To privatize medicare would bring about great instability.
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 02:31 PM
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2. ... do Ryan's parents and grandparents approve his proposal?
:shrug:
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 02:32 PM
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3. And the Economist is Right of Center
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 02:58 PM
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4. What Ryan doesn't seem to realize is most of us
by the time we get to 60 years or so, don't want to fool around with choices...we want to know we are covered and don't have to do anything else about it. Our memories aren't as strong and even now at 61 I worry I may have forgotten to pay a bill or mislaid something...I did it 2 months in a row with the cable bill, cannot find the bill and didn't get paid until they called. I look forward to the day that all that IS taken out of my hands and I don't have to worry about paying a bill or making a choice of plans.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 03:00 PM
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5. Ryan is a snotty rich kid who cares only about fellow rich people
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 06:16 PM
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6. The honorable Paul Ryan is completely full of putrid RW shit on each and every
Edited on Tue Apr-05-11 06:18 PM by indepat
issue: hell would be too good a place for him and all his ilk. :patriot:

Edited for spelling
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 06:20 PM
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7. "fundamentally immoral" is how we should be framing all the repuke cuts
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