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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 09:14 PM
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This is what I don't understand about the deficit
The last year GW Bush was in charge, we had a deficit of $400 Billion or so. Then with the stimulus and bank bail out, it ballooned to well over 1 Trillion. After that one time deal, you would assume it goes back to around $400 Billion. Why is it still well over 1 Trillion per year? What am I missing?
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 09:19 PM
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1. Stimulus.
Wars (currently 3, possibly four if you count Pakistan). Ongoing tax breaks, amazing numbers of people out of work, including those who are discouraged. Once the economy hits a downward spiral, cutting taxes and spending is going to make it far worse, and the unemployed aren't paying taxes.

It's not going to get better without a lot of stimulative spending, and that ongoing, and tax hikes, particularly for those in the upper brackets.

The GOP have an upside-down view of the solutions.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 09:29 PM
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2. I trace it to two things.
Reduced federal tax revenues due to slower economic activity and unemployment.

Continued enhanced assistance to the states which are feeling the same impact from the above.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 09:42 PM
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3. Plus giving the rich and corperations tax cuts.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 09:56 PM
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8. True, but the rates were kept the same as before the crash
so it can't be the key factor to explain why the deficit hasn't returned to "normal."
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W_HAMILTON Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 09:47 PM
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4. Bush kept the war spending off the books...
...Obama put it back on the books.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 09:50 PM
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5. BINGO! That's the real reason the declared debt is what it is today.
Shrubcheated by keeping it off the books and Obama put it on..the way it should be! Of course you'll never hear the Pubbies admit to that!
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 09:51 PM
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6. ah, there you go
you might be onto something there.
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 09:55 PM
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7. That is almost a third of the deficit.
It is akin to having a household budget and ignoring your mortgage or rent payment.

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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 05:31 AM
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10. Yep, Bush budgets made war and bailout "EMERGENCY LEGISLATION."
So, his "budgets" were lacking hundreds of billions of dollars.

Furthermore, the deficit by debt subtraction has been coming down, DOWN, ever since, under Obama.

INCREASES IN DEBT:
FY2007 +0,500,679,473,047.25 Bush
FY2008 +1,017,071,524,649.92 Bush
FY2009 +1,885,104,106,599.30 Bush budget finished by Obama
FY2010 +1,651,794,027,380.00 Obama
FY2011 +1,338,938,788,513.72 Obama PROJECTION, linear by calendar days

Subtractions made from source:
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 10:02 PM
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9. What are you missing? About 8 million jobs.
That is a lot of people not paying taxes and instead relying on the social safety net.
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