Republican Long Strategy: On 2012 Obama Victory, Impeach For...War Crimes?

[JFN1]

I am a soldier. I swore an oath to protect and defend our Constitution.

Despite what some may think, I am doing my duty, as I see it. I spent some years as a drill instructor, and consequently, I don't "instruct" in a manner which might even remotely be considered diplomatic. Good thing, I suppose.

I am not a diplomat.

What I am, is a strategist - and a damn good one too. Lots of soldiers are alive today because of my - admittedly irritating - ability to shoot holes in what others consider to be "airtight" plans.

The first thing a successful strategist MUST excel at is identifying problems - and not just the obvious problems, but the underlying factors which create or sustain problems. If you can solve from "the root," the obvious problems are no longer a factor.

Folks - we have a few very serious problems which MUST be addressed before 2012, if we are to avoid moving rashly forward because emotionally, we really, really, really need to. I'll start with the first, and biggest, problem.

There are some FACTS we must acknowledge:

-- Torture IS ILLEGAL, in about 100 different ways.
-- Mr. Obama is still permitting/sanctioning torture.
-- Torture is a "high crime" and is an impeachable offense.

Can you just imagine the chaos that will ensue in our government if Republicans decide to pull this card after Obama wins in 2012? Tell me - how much of anything will get done in government if Obama is stuck defending himself from impeachment? Its just political theater at its distracting best for Republicans, and a golden opportunity to block anything Democrats try to do by using their impeachment of Obama as a club against Democrats who dare to raise their voices.

Remember when Issa said he was going to start investigations into Obama as his highest priority?

Hello???? What do you suppose those investigations might be used for, hmmm? Anyone? Anyone at all?

To paraphrase, in strategy success is built around the idea: "Hope for the best, prepare for the worst."

Now - what do we do with this possible calamity? In what way can we - right now - work to disarm, or in the least, weaken, this probable Republican strategy?

Pretending it's all okay because a Democrat is carrying on Bush's criminal acts, is not a viable strategy. Sorry if it hurts your feelings, or your ego, or your delusions - but I'm right on this point.

How probable is it Republicans would do this? Is impeachment over war crimes truly something we should be concerned about?

Remember that Democratic President - what was his name...oh, yeah - President Bill Clinton! You know, the one Republicans impeached over a blowjob? Remember him? Remember how that "moral majority" Republican guy, Newt Gingrich, was leading the charge for impeachment, even as he was FUCKING AROUND ON HIS WIFE?

You do the math. I don't like the odds, myself. Name one dirty trick Republicans haven't used when given the opportunity to do so - I can't think of one.

If we continue to deny we have a very real problem, we're screwed, and you should know this.

A lot of people have chosen to be blind to the truth that too many things which are ILLEGAL, UNCONSTITUTIONAL, IMMORAL, and CORRUPT are still going strong under a Democratic President.

When ANY of us turn a blind eye to such things, things which we FUCKING KNOW are wrong, just because our guy is pulling the strings, it demonstrates one of two things:

1 -- Either there is a level of hypocrisy operating that is comparable to EVERYTHING we derided Republicans and Freepers and Tea Baggers for, or
2 -- I am missing, as I suspect many others are missing, some vital piece of information that makes it wrong when a Republican does it, but acceptable when a Democrat does it.

So - just trying to figure out which one it is, because if it is the hypocrisy thing, then we need to have a serious face-to-face conversation with ourselves, and decide if we want to keep lying to ourselves, or if we want to figure out what is going wrong that allows us to accept our own hypocrisy while condemning the same thing in others.

How can anyone take us seriously, if we are hypocritically calling out others for their hypocrisy?

I don't like denial and hypocrisy, especially when the stakes are so very high, and patience is not my best trait. I know, real newsflash. But telling ourselves the truth is not just a value - it is about survival - literally.

Too many of us are accepting illegal behavior from Obama, too many are willing to look the other way in exchange for a 2012 victory, and too many are over-invested in pretending there is no problem other than a lack of support for Obama. If we allow this to continue, we are placing our hands right on top of the Republican's hands on the "chaos button."

We don't have a lot of time to convince our best candidate that he needs to STOP BREAKING THE LAW or he's going to fuck us all. 2012 looms large before us.

If we can't unite to pressure Mr. Obama into changing his behavior, we will have no chance to stop Republicans from tearing this nation yet another new and terrible wound.

It is my duty, as a soldier, and as a citizen, to do what I am capable of doing, to stop them. And yours, too...and the first step we MUST take is to confront our own hypocrisy, stop the silent but deadly "It's Okay If A Democrat Does It" mantra that is being said and denied being said in the same damn sentence, and face the REALITY - we are being outplayed, big time, and if we just keep drifting along...

[Pirate Smile]

1. Oh, nevermind. Why bother.

[onenote]

2. at times like this I am reminded why the unrec feature is a good thing

[Pirate Smile]

3. heh

True.

[ecstatic]

4. When/How did Obama sanction torture?

And I hope you're not referring to Manning... That has already been debunked.

[davidthegnome]

6. Link please

I didn't know it was debunked, but if it was, I'll be very happy for positive confirmation.

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[upi402]

5. Thanks

for the productive and useful post. Too much tribalism here to expect acknowledgment of elephants in the livingroom. The "R's vs. D's" baloney is a charade. Corporatists have no shame and will do absolutely anything with full aggression.

And our so-called Dems will tuck nuts and cluck.

[Hugabear]

7. Honestly? It would not surprise me in the least

We know that the rethugs are nothing if not a bunch of lying, hypocritical assholes. It would not surprise me in the least if they tried to impeach Obama after he wins in 2012.

[dflprincess]

8. And maybe if they did, Obama would finally decide that it was time for DOJ

to go after Bush & Cheney. No more pious bullshit about "looking forward".

[Jack Sprat]

10. I know how important it is

to follow the articles of the Geneva Convention. We carried the articles with us on oversea duty tours. I was alarmed by the waterboarding charges during the Bush years and thought it was disgraceful conduct by him to disregard the articles and he should have been impeached. He should be punished for his actions, but I don't think even the Repubs have the gnads to attempt to impeach Obama for what they permitted by Bush-leaguer. I'd like to also condemn the Congress for allowing a CIC to evade the rules of Geneva.

[liberal life]

11. War crimes? Obama? Why don't we finally hold Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Condi, Colin Powell etc.

accountable so they can just shut the fuck up for 5 minutes. Their hypocrisy is just unbearable sometimes.

The fact that we have not held those evil doers accountable, is the reason these people can keep talking out of their ass.

It is time to show who the real war criminals are.




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