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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 02:31 PM
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Dead Man Talking
“The Romans were intensely proud of their accomplishments, and they built the longest-lasting empire the world has ever known. They were also insanely cruel, crucifying anyone who got in their way, delighting in the many grisly deaths and the constant flow of human blood that filled their arenas. Though they knew they were great, they didn't know that they were cruel. That was something they kept carefully hidden from themselves.” – Thomas Cahill


I recently read “A Saint on Death Row,” by Thomas Cahill (Anchor; 2009). My wife bought me the book for Christmas, in part because she knows that I admire Cahill's writing skills, and also due to the topic. I'm glad that she picked this book for my holiday reading.

Thomas Cahill may be best known for his five-volume “The Hinges of History” series, which began with “How the Irish Saved Civilization.” As with many of my favorite authors, I may not always agree with his interpretation of facts, but I respect the way he puts things together. I was curious what his thoughts were on the prison industry, and on the death penalty, as well as his relationship with the young man that the book was about.

By no coincidence, this book contained information on Sister Helen Prejean, the author of “Dead Man Walking,” who happened to also add her heartfelt endorsement to Dr. Rubin “Hurricane” Carter's new book. “Eye of the Hurricane,” which will be released next month, is the story of the transformation that Dr. Carter experienced while incarcerated, and details the important work he has done on behalf of those who are unjustly convicted.

Cahill tells the story of Dominique Green, a young man from the slums of an American city, who suffered a violent childhood, and became a street hoodlum as a teenager. He was convicted of killing a man during an armed robbery, and sentenced to death. Cahill became acquainted with Green while he was on Death Row in Huntsville, Texas.

The author makes a solid case that Green was not the murderer. Of the four people the police believed were involved in a series of crimes that night, of which Green was one, three were black, and one was white. Based upon the confession of the person caught with the stolen money from the crime – who happened to be the white kid – the police offered each of the three black suspects leniency if they tell who pulled the trigger. Green refused, although he demanded that the investigators find the video from the store where the crime took place, in order to determine both who was involved in the hold-up, and who had the gun.

The white kid was never charged with any crime, in return for testifying against Green. The other two kids received light sentences. Green went to trial, being represented by an attorney unqualified to work on a death penalty case. (This attorney is infamous for having been found to have slept through another trial; the appellate judge ruled that defendants are entitled to be represented by an attorney, but the attorney is not required to be awake. Literally. This is Texas.)

Green's attempts to find justice are documented extremely well by Cahill. His case came to national and international attention, when Archbishop Desmond Tutu visited him on Death Row, and took up his case. Despite the severe lack of anything close to a fair trial, or serious attention from the higher courts, Green was put to death.

Cahill writes about topics that are certainly uncomfortable for many of those in his social class/circles: racism in the justice system; the brutality of poverty, especially in the lives of children in America; the death penalty; George W. Bush; the unholy alliance of church-and-state in Texas; and more.

He ends the book by providing several pages of information for readers interested in joining the fight for social justice, including from the cradle on throughout life. It's an important book, though unpleasant to read.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 02:34 PM
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1. K&R!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 02:38 PM
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2. Thank you.
I wonder if I have time to edit the title? Something more like "Vick's Vapo-Rub"?
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 02:45 PM
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4. LOL!


Seriously though, thanks for the book review.

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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 02:43 PM
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3. Off to ye olde Greatest Page.
Edited on Tue Dec-28-10 02:44 PM by bleever

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 04:46 PM
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11. Thank you!
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 02:48 PM
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5. I will look for this book when I finish Lehane's new book 'Moonlight Mile'
My GF and I bought the same book for each other for Christmas.
I can also recommend Lehane's last book 'The Given Day', a great historical novel set in post WW1 Boston.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 07:26 PM
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17. Soulmates much? nt
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 02:55 PM
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6. K&R. (nt)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 03:11 PM
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7. Here is the BookTV segment with Mr. Cahill
if anyone would like to see it. There is a transcript at the link.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/Saint

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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 03:24 PM
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8. While the U.S. only thinks that it's great while relishing its cruelty.
It has been disposing of its greatness, often outsourcing its greatness; but it has kept its cruelty close to its heart.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 03:29 PM
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9. k&r...a voice of sanity on an insane day
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truckin Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 03:30 PM
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10. Read "Echo From Dealey Plaza" over the holiday.
Very interesting read about the first Black secret service agent in the White House during the Kennedy admin. Another example of what our "justice system" is capable of if the powerful are out to get you.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 06:23 PM
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12. does all the cruelty come from the state?
Green, whose name is remembered, is called a saint - even though he was, presumably, involved in armed robbery even if he did not pull the trigger. Wasn't there some cruelty done to the store clerk, who is nameless in this post? Why doesn't he get a name? Why isn't he remembered? Why, by Grabthar's hammer, does he not deserve to be avenged? Perhaps he too grew up in the slums and suffered a violent childhood. Does Cahill's book say very much about him? In 2007, there were 14,381 victims of homicide, including 1,554 under the age of 18 and 532 under the age of 5 and 391 over the age of 70.

In the meantime, there have been 1,234 executions in the United States since 1976. In 34 years a total of 1,234. Compared to 34 years like 2007, there would be 578,000 homicides, including 52,836 victims under the age of 18 and 18,088 under the age of 5 and 13,294 over the age of 70.

What about the video? Why couldn't that be used? Why wasn't it? That does seem like a reasonable request.

Back when the Nation had the link, I sent a few emails to State Parole boards or Governors trying to stop executions, but elevating an admitted street hoodlum to sainthood seems excessive, as does attacking the USA as cruel for 1,234 executions compared to the cruelty of 500,000 homicides.

But I fully expect to be torn apart by lions for going against the flow here, to revive an old icon of mine :hide:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 06:47 PM
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13. An interesting thing:
First, perhaps less interesting, there was no evidence, other than the statements of three friends who admitted being involved in the crime -- part of a spree where three young men robbed a series of people -- that there was anyone besides them and the victim there.

Second, the family is named in the book. In fact, the victim's wife and two sons were leaders of the effort to: (a) get Green a re-trial; and (b) prevent his execution. One son spoke out after the funeral: "I felt it was dirty and the state will have their chance to face a higher authority -- that is, God. They were full of shit, and I am speaking from my heart. I really mean that."
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 07:00 PM
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14. The arbitrary barbarity of the death penalty
Green turns out to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Did he cause the death of Andrew Lastrapes, Jr.? Apparently not. does Lastrapes deserve to be avenged? I don't know, but I do know that vengeance carried out on the wrong person is no vengeance at all. Curiously, in checking around on this story, I found that the victim's widow had this to say:

The murder victim's wife, Bernatte Luckett Lastrapes, wrote to Texas Gov. Rick Perry and the Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles: "All of us have forgiven Dominique for what happened and want to give him another chance at life. Everyone deserves another chance."


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1141/is_3_41/ai_n8693783/

I'm unaware of anyone who is recommending Green for sainthood. But a martyr to a dysfunctional system? I think the case can be made.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 09:56 PM
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19. the title of the book is "a saint on death row"
So I have read three posts now, but very little is given that shows his innocence.

I don't disagree with the statement that "vengeance carried out on the wrong person is no vengeance at all."

However, in the discussion here, there is not much said about how the system was dysfunctional in this case. Why did the police and DA convict the wrong person? I operate under the assumption that most people are trying to do their jobs to the best of their ability, and that generally they are making a sincere effort to catch and punish the guilty party. That is, after all, what we pay them to do.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 10:59 PM
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20. One of the strong
points of the US justice system is that, in theory, the state has to prove one's guilt, rather than an individual having to prove that they are innocent. Now, in this case, Green was without question found guilty in a court of law. For those who make the assumption that "most people are trying to do their jobs to the best of their ability," the fact that Green was convicted may well be enough. Even more than enough.

If you are satisfied of that, fine. If you have an open mind, you might consider reading the book. That's your choice. I understand that you'd like me to offer "proof" that Green was innocent, and that is a fair question. As I said, the evidence that I would refer you to is found in that book.

I have had decades of experience working (not "employed") with cases of this type. In this case, one of the most important factors for me was that retired Circuit Court Judge Sheila Murphy, of Chicago, came out of retirement to help represent Green. She was no bleeding heart liberal. She recognized that, at the very least, Green was denied anything close to a fair trial. More, she found that the Texas courts were unwilling to examine either the errors in the trial, or to consider other evidence that might have roven -- beyond a doubt -- that Green was not with the three men who were on a crime spree, and who were admittedly there when the victim was murdered.

Green, by the way, had been offered the same type of deal as the other two black defendants eventually were offered. He refused to accept it.

One of the aspects that I am most concerned with was Green's denial of the right of habeas corpus, the "great writ," that was for most of our nation's history the very foundation of justice in America. It's kind of gone out of style, since President Clinton first undermined it in the 1990s, and then "President" Cheney destroyed it. I think it's an important topic. Being familiar with the system, I am aware that even honest police and sincere prosecutors sometimes wrongfully convict innocent people. The crooked ones convict far more.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 07:03 PM
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15. K & R !!!
:kick:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 07:07 PM
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16. Nice post
I'll order the book
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 08:24 PM
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18. its a world wide sickness: Hackers Watch a World Collapsing Into Chaos
Over at Wired News

Hackers Watch a World Collapsing Into Chaos
BERLIN, Germany – The world is falling slowly apart, and the hackers here want people to pay attention.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/12/hackers-watch-a-world-collapsing-into-chaos/
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 12:19 AM
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21. K&R n/t
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Independem Donating Member (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 12:20 AM
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22. Indigent Defense Remains Under Funded Texas Public Defenders Office
Indigent Defense Remains Under Funded Texas Public Defenders Office


A story in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram published on Thanksgiving Day by Martha Deller lamented a systemic under funding of indigent defense across the state in the face of growing demand. The article opened:

A shortage of qualified criminal defense attorneys has delayed felony trials in some parts of Texas and resulted in some low-income people accused of misdemeanor offenses going without counsel, according to the Texas Task Force on Indigent Defense.

Counties are also struggling to pay for indigent defense, the task force says. Last year, counties paid $186 million to serve 471,000 defendants. But the state funded only $29 million of that in grants administered by the task force, said Wesley Shackleford, deputy director of the task force

http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/2010/11/indigent-defense-remains-underfunded.html

Private Prisons get hundreds of millions in fees for ever poor man/woman/teenager in jail, why defend them, its called Privatizing. Under Funding the Public Defenders office makes money for all involved except for the poor peasants. Texas is not the only state, it is a nation wide greed machine.

Grits for Breakfast
Welcome to Texas justice: You might beat the rap, but you won't beat the ride.


http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/2010/11/indigent-defense-remains-underfunded.html
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 01:40 PM
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23. I haven't read this book yet, but I have thoroughly enjoyed Cahill's body of work - even
when he has intellectual disagreements with Bishop Spong. Heh. Thank you for the recommendation. I think it's time for me to revisit this series during this long winter.
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