What is your honest opinion of Hooters and the men who frequent these establshments?

[RagingInMiami]

I live a block away from a Hooters in Miami, so I find myself there every once in a while, whether it is for lunch, watching games or just hanging out with buddies for a few beers.

The food is not that good and it is a little costly, but the environment is fun and casual and the waitresses are friendly.

And yes, they also dress in skimpy clothes, but that is almost an after-thought in Miami where a lot of women dress sexually provocative.

The reason I ask is this morning I was having coffee at my local Cuban joint and I noticed a woman trying to get on the internet with her laptop.

I started talking to her and she was getting her car worked on at the local mechanic. She wasn't from around there.

The Cuban joint does not have wireless, so I told her Hooters had free wireless and it was only a block away.

Then she make a disparaging remark about Hooters, which made me realize that yes, I guess there is still controversy over that establishment.

[slackmaster]

1. The girls are way too young, mostly too thin for my taste. Drinks overpriced, food is gawd awful.

Men who frequent Hooters have different tastes than I do.

The last time I went to a Hooters (about 15 years ago) to kill time while waiting for car repairs, some asshole in a suit sat next to me at the bar and tried to sell me a cell phone contact. The dude wouldn't take a hint, would not STFU and leave me alone.

I'll never go there again.

[uncle ray]

10. girls too young for what?

they are serving you food.

[slackmaster]

19. Too young to sexually tittilate me very much. They look like children to me.

That's what I mean. (I'm 53. My girlfriend is 54 and way hotter than most Hooters kiddies.)

[polmaven]

234. If they are "girls"

they ARE too young....and, might I add - probably illegally off limits!

[slackmaster]

291. I'm not able to parse your response. I didn't use the word "girls" in my post.

I meant simply that Hooters waitresses are generally too young to be of interest to me in that way. I appreciate their attractiveness, but my tastes run otherwise.

[RagingInMiami]

43. The girls are generally too young for me too

But that's besides the point? Who goes into a restaurant to pick up the waitresses? It never happens.

If the waitresses are friendly and provide good service, that's a plus for me. The fact that they are wearing skimpy outfits is a novelty. Sure, they're nice to look at, but whatever. That little detail is highly overrated.

The food is average, depending on what you get. I usually order the buffalo chicken strips, fries and cheese sauce and that's pretty good, but it does cost more than it should.

My honest opinion of Hooters is that it's overrated. If I didn't have one within walking distance from me, I would never go, not because of some moral stance, but because it wouldn't be worth the drive.

[Drale]

2. I don't really care for hooters, but

I know someone how works at one and shes makes a ton of money. For women who have the will to deal with the creapy old men, it can be a high paying job.

[Ninjaneer]

3. To be honest

by today's standards (in the US as a whole, not just Miami), their outfit is pretty tame.

[cleanhippie]

4. Hooters is tame compared to many places now.

Hooters servers wear tight clothes, but hardly revealing. Here in the NW, drive-thru coffee shops where the ladies are wearing nothing but bras & panties, g-string swimsuits, or just plain topless, are common. Some of them even get arrested for exposing themselves to customers for tips....

[ejpoeta]

5. i'm torn, because it makes it's money by objectifying women.

but then again, i believe women should have the ability to do what they want and earn a living any way they choose. Maybe if they had hot guys too i might not be so upset about these things. equal opportunity i suppose. i guess for me it depends on who is benefiting from the objectification.... if it is the woman then i am fine with it. more often than not it is some guy making lots of money off of a woman

[slackmaster]

14. It makes money by taking crappy, cheap food from Sysco and selling it at a huge margin

And cheap booze.

[NeedleCast]

18. So does practically every other chain restaurant in the country

[slackmaster]

23. Yes, and that is the main reason I avoid most low- to mid-tier chain restaurants

All of the places I frequent are family-owned businesses that use fresh ingredients.

[ejpoeta]

35. i agree with you, but you don't need a scantily clad woman to dislike that.

i personally avoid most chains myself. i take my kids once in a great while, but tend to prefer to go to family restaurants as well. and you are being kind to call it "food". just sayin.

[blueamy66]

132. And their chicken wings

suck!

There are 5 other wing joints near me with much better wings.

Men go to oogle fake boobs....don't try to tell me the food is good.

Just take your money to a strip joint for cripe's sake.

[martymar64]

310. the strip joints here in Austin serve better food than Hooters

The Yellow Rose has a Surf and Turf lunch for about 5 bucks that is definitely worth it. It's the drinks they soak you on (and the lapdances too :-) )

[WatsonT]

42. In any restaurant there will be attractive women

who earn more by flirting with their customers.

It's just part of the game.

At least in Hooters it's stated upfront that this is what is going on.

[originalpckelly]

46. Exactly.

I went into a Johnny Rockets and the girl was perhaps more scantily clad than at Hooters.

[justabob]

55. it is true

I used to were a skirt rather than jeans for the simple reason that my tips were *always* higher when I wore the skirt. (not at Hooters, but another chain) No flirting though, never quite got the hang of that. Oh, and lest you think it is all one way.... male waiters flirt too to the same end.

[NotThisTime]

77. I'm not torn, it objectifies women and I'm sure if they were allowed to put more clothes on they

would... they took the job most likely because it was all they could find.

[Frances]

6. How would you feel about a chain of restaurants

where all the waiters were friendly men who wore sexually provocative clothes? And had a name like Butts?

I am more comfortable where all the waiters/waitresses/wait persons wear regular clothes. But that's just me.

[seabeyond]

26. cocks with gstrings for guys. family rest sittin with hubby and sons talking about how well hung

the men are

[niyad]

39. I wanted to open a chain called "bunns" , with male servers, dressed in shorts, codpieces, open

shirts. my friends and I would have had a great time hiring, yes???

[WatsonT]

44. The same as I do with Hooters

Not my kind of place, but if that's your thing then enjoy.

[Shagbark Hickory]

68. That'd be awesome. What's the problem?

[cleanhippie]

86. I think it would not be a place that many straight men visited.

[Codeine]

96. I'd just be mad I couldn't get a job there.

:evilgrin:

[Lucian]

121. Why can't we have a chain of restaurants where both men and women dress provocatively?

That way, it's a win for me. :)

In all seriousness, I agree with what you're saying.

[tabasco]

216. If there's a buck to be made,

somebody's already done it.

[jmowreader]

251. A print salesman I knew said he was going to open a place like that...

He told me that when he retired, he was going to start a place "just like Hooters, but for women." He was going to have guys that looked like Chippendale's dancers as the waiters. The name was going to be Peckers and the logo a woodpecker.

We knew he'd never do it...not because the concept was unsound, because it probably wasn't. He was still selling printing at the age of 83 because he didn't want to do the list of chores his wife had for him to do after he retired.

[Blue-Jay]

276. They could call it Cock 'n Balls, and only serve chicken and various spherical foods.

You know, like hushpuppies, meatballs, donut holes, maybe brussels sprouts for the vegetarians...

[slackmaster]

292. I have a fantasy about opening a grocery store called Hole Foods

It would sell only items that have holes, e.g. bagels, Swiss cheese, and Cheerios cereal.

[sweetloukillbot]

278. Butts? They need to name it "Peckers"...

With a woodpecker for the logo...

[eowyn_of_rohan]

294. You've Got it

lol That is perfect. When I saw "Peckers" I thought right away of a woodpecker logo. Make that "Woody " woodpecker

[tinkerbell41]

298. My thoughts exactly.

I have been saying for years a place called Pecker's where the guys are all oiled up wearing g-strings and "Oh it's family friendly, bring the kids and your husband"
I hate Hooter's just for the reason that it's considered "Oh so acceptable to view women as objects" I call bullshit. How do you explain that place to your daughters? Why would you take your sons? I mean we have a place of business named after a slang term of women's body part.

Jesus, it is 2012!

[jpgray]

7. I don't think anyone should have to endure unwanted lecherous attention in a job

Not saying you're a lecherous fellow, but I'm sure some of the clientele would meet that description. I'm also not saying that the staff there are utterly miserable and feel heavily exploited, but it's also unlikely that waitressing at Hooters was anybody's plan A.

[sinkingfeeling]

21. I've seen some pretty upset applicants who didn't make the cut to be a 'Hooter's girl'.

[NeedleCast]

25. It's probably not anyones A plan to be a server

But as far as tip margins go, Hooters is very, very high. Like I said down thread, lots of servers I know have coveted Hooters positions because of the tips and say the clients aren't any worse than other restaurants they've worked in.

[WatsonT]

195. If you get a job at a bank

and then one day they tell you to wear a thong and push up bra (and nothing else to work) I could see being upset.

But the girls know going in what hooters is all about.

They don't hide anything about what they are.

And most peoples plan A would involve being very wealthy somehow then retiring without having to serve anyone ever.

[Autumn]

8. I like their hot wings

:shrug:

[Ron Green]

9. Prolonged adolescence has become a way of life

in this country.

[ohheckyeah]

245. Exactly.

That's what I think of when I think Hooters....immature men who need a fantasy.

[seabeyond]

248. i really like that comment, too. but a poster said, good looking women nice to him who would NEVER

give him the time of the day outside the restaurant. i thought that was informative, too. i just dont think that way.

but the adolescent nation, that is a keeper

[October]

300. Well stated.

[originalpckelly]

11. I support Hooters, and wish their was a Dingers for G&B men and str8 & bi women.

I shall open such an establishment.

As God as my witness, I shall never fake liking boobs again!

[The Straight Story]

Got one near where I live, but a Rally's is down the street from it

Never been to Hooters, Rally's has it right though :)

As far as I am concerned, their body, their choice - whether the patron or the waitresses.

[Fla_Democrat]

12. Well.....

I like the fries, the ambiance, the beer was a bit warm...and I have a pretty high opinion of myself. :evilgrin:





:smoke:

[sinkingfeeling]

13. My son used to manage a Hooters and I spent lots of time there. I have no problem with them except

the food isn't that great.

[NeedleCast]

15. Food there has become pretty horrible

Hooters restaurants can be hit or miss in food quality but lately I find a lot more miss. I used to like their wings and some of their other menu items but the wings especially have become dry and bland. Or maybe my pallete has matured, who knows.

As to the issue of whether or not its sexists, I don't think so. I could walk down pretty much any beach in Florida (and especially near Miami) and see women wearing less. Having spent years working in the restuarant industry and knowing a few servers who worked at Hooters, they do make better than industry standard in tips and among female servers Hooters jobs can be pretty coveted. Most servers I know who worked at Hooters have told me that the amount of jackassery they have to put up with isn't much more than they would at any other chain restaurant.

[Le Taz Hot]

16. In this economy I don't begrudge any way someone

has to to make a living. If I were still young and cute I'd have no qualms about working there. I think making a blanket statement about ALL men who happen to go in there is ludicrous.

[exboyfil]

17. I think it is an embarrassment and I have a difficult

time explaining the existence of such an establishment to my daughters. I was in one once for a business meeting, but I would never enter one on my own.

On the other hand it is a free country so they have the right to exist - just won't get my dollars.

[seabeyond]

20. i tend to look at them as a creep. nt

[NeedleCast]

27. Who's the Creep?

the people who work there or the clients (or both)?

[seabeyond]

32. the men. and i dont know that they are creeps, but

as i said, that is how i see them.

wanted honest answer. i gave it.

[NeedleCast]

45. Well let me ask you this

Are men who go to beaches where women are in bikinis creepy to you? I'm not neccissarily disagreeing with you, although from the (admittedly anecdotal) evidence that I've got, most Hooters servers say their work experiences at Hooters are worse than they are at any other restaurant. Most Hooters servers I've known have said the guys there are pretty well behaved and that the guys who are not well behaved are most likely not well behaved anywhere else either.

As a veteran of the food service industry, I can tell you that Hooter's isn't the only place using attractive women (or men) to bring in clients. There's a reason most bartenders at chain resturants (and many non-chains) are attractive men and women.

[seabeyond]

52. does the beach have a sign that says tits.... hooters whole basis is tits.

that is their sign, their sell, their focus.

i was offered a job years ago where i had to decide on a skimpy outfit to sell product, but the whole focus was not on tits.

hooter asks that the customers objectify the women. that is course for walking in the door. making a buck off cheap food at high prices. and bring the family in. family restaurant.

[NeedleCast]

60. Hooters and Tits are hardly the same word

Hooters can be a euphamism, and in this case it certainly is, but there's a reason the resturant isn't called tits.

As I've pointed out, practically every service job in the country, whether it be food service or anything else, is one in which sex sells. My girlfriend works in hotel sales and guess what, most of the sales managers are young and attractive. The hotel uses it's most attractive guy and girl as their public face most of the time.

If your argument is that Hooters objectifies women would you also argue that beaches objectify women?

As far as making a buck off cheap food at high prices...well, you've just described 80% of chain resturants in the country. Again, you can hardly single out Hooters for doing that. It's a very, very successful business model.

Just always strikes me as odd when people have a moral objection to Hooters, but not going to the beach, or to a PG-13 movie.

[seabeyond]

62. what a silly argument. they usd hooters cause tits or boobies wouldnt fly

it is, what it is.

[NeedleCast]

65. What is it then?

You say it is what it is...what is it?

There's a pretty compelling argument, based on the clientelle, that Hooters is one of many family chain resturants in the country that uses a gimmick to bring in customers.

I'll ask you again, if you have a moral objection to Hooters, do you also have a moral objection to public beaches or PG-13 movies?

[seabeyond]

66. cocks family restaurant. bring in sons and talk about how well endowed.

hooters is focused on tits. i have already given you the answer. if you refuse to accept that people may see it differently than you, that is your right. i see no reason to continually answer the same question

it is all about objectifying, dehumanizing female.

[NeedleCast]

74. I don't think your position is logical

You keep saying Hooters is focused on tits. Have you ever actually seen a Hooters outfit? The girls wear tight T-shirts and short shorts. My point is that you will see the same clothing (or less) worn on a beach, or in many PG-13 movies, etc.

You keep saying it objectifies woment but haven't presented any evidence that it does so and as I've said, the fact that on any night of the week you can find families with children dining there is evidence to the contrary. By your standard, we must believe that any tight clothing objectifies and dehumanizes women.

If the name of the restuarant was Shooters or Bumpers or Applebee's and the severse wore the same outfits, would it still bother you?

[seabeyond]

76. again, you are playing a game if you are suggesting hooters is not about tits.

you can say i am not being logical, claiming hooters is not about tits. but that is bullshit. really dont care how daring the outfit is, about beyond absurd to suggest, really, hooters is not ALL about tits.

[NeedleCast]

80. It's a gimmick

Just like many chain resturants use. No, I don't think it's about tits. I do think that part of the selling point is having attractive, younger female servers, but as I've pointed out, practically every service/sales industry takes advantage of that if they can. Even in high end industries like medical and pharmasutical sales, you can bet that there's a high percentage of attractive young men and women filling those roles.

You are, of course, welcome to your opinion and I don't think I'm going to change your mind at this point but the evidence doesn't support your argument.

[seabeyond]

82. yes. it is a gimmick. tits. nt

[Atman]

105. Tits are a "gimmick?" Really? That God, such a prankster!

He really knew what it would take to lure men in. :rofl:

.

[blueamy66]

135. Come on.

Please quit being obtuse.

Hooters means tits.

How many beaches do you know of that are named Boobs or Tits or Breast Beach?

Why do men state that the food there is good? Cause it's not. It's just a reason to oogle women.

Just admit it and move on.

[Atman]

138. Who are you to say the food isn't good?

How many billions of McDonald's burgers have been sold? How does Arby's stay in business?

Personally, I find Hooter's naked wings (unbreaded, just sauced) pretty darned tasty. I've never eaten anything else on their menu. But I think every patron should be allowed to determine whether or not they like the food. As for the tits, nothing to see at Hooters. I grew up on the beach in Florida...we wore less clothing to school than a Hooters server wears to work.

[blueamy66]

143. Um, cause I've eaten it before.

I don't go to McDonald's to oogle the servers. I go to Arby's cause their roast beef sandwiches are pretty darn good.

Sure, you can like the wings....personally, I think that they suck and wouldn't rather go to Native New Yorker, cause they're from Buffalo and make REAL Buffalo wings.

Again, quit being obtuse. Everyone knows why men go to Hooter's.

[NeedleCast]

149. Everyone Knows why men go to Hooters?

If the only reason for going to Hooters is to stare at women please explain why i can walk into a Hooters on any given night and find families, or even table of all women at a Hooters.

You're making an awful broad-brush statement.

[Atman]

155. You don't see the absurdity of what you just posted?

YOU think Hooters has horrible food, but I like their "naked wings." However, I wouldn't eat anything at Arby's if it was the last scrap of food left on earth. Yet, YOU think you are correct about what is good and I'm wrong.

Don't you see how ridiculous that is?

I actually DO like the wings at Hooters, and despite your own prejudices and hateful stereotypes about men, I could give a rat's ass about the server's outfits. They're not titillating in the slightest, no pun intended. So, you're just WRONG. You think you know why ALL men go to Hooters. Hell, I don't even know why ANY men go to a Men's Wearhouse store...but YOU know why we act as we do.

Just ridiculous. Don't accuse me of being obtuse until you quit being so goddamn judgmental and superior.

.

[blueamy66]

207. You need to find a new place to eat wings.

And I bet you would eat something at Arby's if it was the last scrap on Earth. Quit being so superior.

[Atman]

209. Oh, and YOU don't need to find a new place to eat "roast beef?"

Me? Superior? While you tell me Arby's is good food but Hooters is dreck? And I'm the one thinking I'm superior? Hmmm. Interesting.

Both Hooters and Arby's is HORRIBLE food served by mega-corporations for ultimate profit. Period. You aren't correct, nor am I. We simply both have different tastes and tolerances. That makes neither me nor you "superior." It just makes us human beings. We have different likes and dislikes. Deal...once you get down from your high horse.

[JonLP24]

236. I went there

for the food and to watch the game. The one I went to has a huge TV. Plus my friend and his wife invited me.

[Dorian Gray]

289. Seriously

and people like Applebees, too. No boobs to look at there, either.

(Note: I think both Hooters and Applebees are gross, but many people like their food.)

[NeedleCast]

145. Like I said, it's a gimmick

The point I've been trying to make is that it doesn't neccissarily make Hooters a sexist place. Some guys go there to oggle. Some go because they like the wings or other foods. Some go because it's a convinient sports bar. Sure, hooters in this case is a reference to women's breasts but you can't compare it to the word tits. Witness the fact that you can say one on network TV and not the other.

I said I don't really like the food there, but as far as chain restaurants in the US go, it's no worse than most. American's aren't exactly setting the bar on making good food choices. The person I'm replying to said she felt like the customers of this restaurant are "creepy" and I attempted to make the point that Hooters is often seen as a family resturant by evidence that you can go in there on any night of the week and find families with children eating there.

[blueamy66]

147. Just cause families are there....doesn't make it a family restaurant.

Alot of parents make bad choices, ya know?

[NeedleCast]

154. So you're saying it's a bad choice to take children to Hooters?

Why is that?

[Atman]

159. They might see women dressed in more than women at the mall.

HEAVENS! Then what?

[girl gone mad]

219. Seriously?

That's your argument?

Hooters = tits. When my friend in 5th grade talked about her older sister getting a job at Hooters, everyone in the class knew Hooters was another word for tits and the older sister was going to be making money by showing off her body to horny guys. Not making a judgment, but it is what it is. What's the point of pretending otherwise?

[ohheckyeah]

246. Women don't have to wear bikinis to go to the beach.

They have to wear the skimpy outfits to work at Hooters. There's a difference which you should be able to comprehend.

[LanternWaste]

190. I imagine context makes a precise and relevant difference in many cases

"Are men who go to beaches where women are in bikinis creepy to you?..."

I imagine context makes a precise and relevant difference in many cases. Hence, nude art in a Florence museum vs. Catholic Cupcakes in Bondage on late night cable.

But I realize that many people either cannot or will not perceive that particularly inconvenient distinction. :shrug:

[luvspeas]

22. Let's look at this another way...

Let's just say your car broke down and you went into some random coffee shop and tried to get online to see who might fix it. A woman tells you about a great car repair place right down the road called Shaft. The repairs are not that good and it is a little costly, but the environment is fun and casual and the mechanics are friendly. Yes, all the men working there have to dress in Speedo thong bathing suits and nothing else, but that is almost an after-thought in Miami where a lot of men wear swimwear.

How would you respond to her?

[EOTE]

50. In your analogy, Shaft would be providing the free wifi, not the car repairs.

So in that particular case, I'd say: "Shaft it is, then."

[MannyGoldstein]

24. I went to Hooters for lunch once and was suprised

One of our sales guys took me there while we were driving a long stretch through CT. I was shocked to see families with young kids there eating lunch.

Go figure.

[originalpckelly]

28. They aren't even nude.

It's just a body, you know.

On the list of things that will fuck kids up, seeing a woman wearing a tight shirt is probably very low on the list.

[seabeyond]

37. a divorced father takes 10 and 12 yr old sons to hooters, to talk tits with boys

and told them not to tell mom.

ya

innocent

[originalpckelly]

40. Things that will fuck kids up:

Talking tits with your dad.

But merely visiting the restaurant will not do that.

[Atman]

99. Good God, what a bunch of prudes in America.

Really? Tits will fuck up your kid? They sucked on 'em for a while (unless you were so repulsed by nature that you nourished your kid with a canned chemical supplement sold to you by a big agri-business conglomerate), but now the mere mention of them, the mere thought of looking at them, will "fuck kids up."

No, what fucks kids up is our prevailing attitude that anything to do with the human body is sexual/wrong/immoral. What better way to send a message to kids that IT'S FUN! Why are we once again the last nation on earth -- besides the enlightened Middle Eastern cultures who force women to hide under burqas, to come into the current century. We're regressing, not progressing. And believe me, a kid seeing tits is NOT at the root of the problems we're facing today.

[krabigirl]

198. +1 seriously, they are just boobs.

[WatsonT]

218. Well ok, so Hooters is alright

but we're still going to paint underwear on all them old paintings, right?

/people seem to be selectively outraged over this. They're just tits, if people want to pay more for average food so they can look at 'em, who cares?

[BuddhaGirl]

265. +1

:thumbsup:

[trotsky]

283. Thank you. n/t

[NeedleCast]

49. Why do you reserve that ire for Hooters?

A divorced father could take his 10 and 12 year olds anyplace and "talk tits" (whatever that means). Why do you think they'd be more likely to do it at Hooters? The blame for what might be inappropriate behavior lies with the father in your scenario, not Hooters.

[EOTE]

53. My uncle did that once.

Of course, we were at a Denny's, so it was slightly more odd. But Denny's should certainly be strongly condemned because my Uncle had the audacity to 'talk tits' there.

[bullwinkle428]

81. In that situation, Dad's clearly an asshole, and his assholery would

always come through, with or without the existence of a place like Hooters.

[PassingFair]

237. Teaching my daughters that it's OK to exploit their bodies for money...

is VERY low on my list.



Thanks for clarifying.

[Darth_Kitten]

282. Yes, objectified women working a crappy job...nothing bad there.

:sarcasm: It's just women, this is probably their dream job.

[WatsonT]

48. We are a selectively prudish crowd apparently

[MannyGoldstein]

110. Or subjectively OK with objectified breasts

Or just surprised by something I hadn't considered.

[WatsonT]

189. Breasts are objects, nothing wrong with objectifying them

Now objectifying the entire person, or reducing them exclusively to their breasts, that's another discussion.

[Nye Bevan]

117. OH MY GOD! KIDS SERVED LUNCH BY A WOMAN IN SHORTS AND A T-SHIRT!

WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT FATHER THINKING?

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Americans are *very* weird about breasts. Even when they are under a T-shirt.

[Fuddnik]

199. Next thing you know, he'll be taking them to the BEACH!!!!!

Maybe mention something about asses and such!

[SoCalDem]

29. Men are visual critters & love to look at women..It;s just a marketing ploy

and as long as the women there don;t mind flaunting their young lithe bodies, I don;t care:)

there was a time when I had a waitressing job wearing red hot pants & a black silk shortie top.. I had that job until my husband (not my husband yet then) said.. please don't keep that job....I hated it anyway.. catering to drunk college guys was no picnic..... It was the only time I waited tables & that 3 weeks was plenty for me......but I did look darned cute in that get up:)

[jtown1123]

72. Women are visual too. I hate when people think it's only men who get turned

on by hot bodies...

[seabeyond]

73. it is another thing society insists on to keep status quo. studies have come out

showing that men are no more visual than women and that women tend to sexualize both genders as opposed to ust opposite, and they go right to crotch on nude pictures and men start at eyes.....

[RagingInMiami]

84. It's women who have always perpetuated this myth

[WatsonT]

170. So start a restaurant like hooters but catering to women

no one is stopping you.

[Mnemosyne]

30. It is usually frequented by guys that don't know women have faces, jmho. n/t

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

88. Bullshit...

women don't have faces.

[Mnemosyne]

109. ...

:spank::rofl:

[woo me with science]

31. I am probably more likely to go there now than in the past...

if only to annoy a zealot. :evilgrin:

[closeupready]

33. Self-delte - wrong thred

delete

[snooper2]

34. I still love the wings myself...hot hot hot...

damn, now thinking about lunch and they are right around the corner...

[FreakinDJ]

36. Worth seeing ONCE - but it wasn't all that enjoyable

they were modeling lingerie that day - it was a bit uncomfortable for me and I am a guy

[a la izquierda]

38. I'm a woman...and I go to Hooters.

There are ALWAYS female customers there, sometimes with kids.

[WatsonT]

41. Meh

not my kind of joint.

But I don't have any issue with those who are in to it.

[randr]

47. I have a niece who is a regional manager

and she loves the company. She started on the floor while in college and upon graduation was offered a position as manager.

[geardaddy]

112. Started on the floor?

Hmmmm.

;)

[randr]

176. Restaurant talk for waiting and busing

[geardaddy]

206. I know. It just seemed kind of funny in connection with the

Hooters stuff.

[tammywammy]

51. Hooters doesn't bother me at all

I actually like their buffalo shrimp.

Last Thursday for the Rangers opening day game, a friend and I went to a sports bar called Third Base (there's pics on their website http://www.thirdbase-sportsbar.com/index.html#/portfolio). The waitresses uniforms were basically a bra top and super short shorts. I have no problem with strip clubs, I've enjoyed many a beer there after work (especially when I worked at a car dealership). My problem is when I go to a supposed "family" establishment and they're pratically naked. At least at a strip club, I know they're going to be topless. I was just surprised. Oh and the waitresses at Hooter wear more clothing than the Third Base place.

Oh and for a sports bar I wasn't impressed at all. I've been to better.

[Aerows]

54. I'm pretty much as feminist as you can get

and I've been to Hooters. I went for the nuclear wings and the beer. If the women are happy working at Hooters, and the patrons are happy spending their money there, who am I to judge?

[guitar man]

56. Eh, not my kind of joint

If I'm gonna ride my scoot somewhere for a cold one, that place is way too clean, the girls are too young and skinny, often with fake boobs, and the chance for a brawl to break out is pretty much nil.

I like a good sleazy biker dive where they sweep up the teeth and eyeballs off the floor at closing time :P

but, whatever floats your boat...

[Bigmack]

57. Been in Hooters exactly three times...

girls impressed me as girl-next-door types, but of course I'm old, and all women that young bring out the father/grandfather in me. I found their costumes mild... really mild... almost cartoonishly mild. But then, in my youth, I went to some shows in Olangapo that set a pretty high bar for perv. I imagine the Presbyterians from East Mudfood, Arkansas get a charge out of the girls.

We were in Florida visiting and out hosts said the grouper sandwiches at Hooters are the best. They were right.

Can't say how the other food was... didn't try it.

[slackmaster]

58. Grouper sandwich sounds compelling

Regional specialties are often a good choice. I had a Walleye sandwich at an airport bar in Minnesota once. It was fantastic.

[Lyric]

59. I don't like them and won't eat there

but I respect their right to exist as a business.

[Urban Prairie]

61. Dunno why I would bother with going to a Hooters if my real purpose was to ogle girls bodies

May as well go to a "gentleman's club" instead, and pay for overpriced lunch/dinner food, and get a real eyeful of what would be blatantly flaunted instead of being "coyly" hidden behind a tight t-shirt, bra, and shorts.


:shrug:

[Initech]

63. I can't stand the food there, so I don't frequent that place.

[qb]

64. If they also had waiters showing off their pecs I'd check them out.

Until then, meh.

[cali]

67. If the food sucks, I don't go.

[distantearlywarning]

69. Tacky, and tacky.

But it doesn't offend me personally or anything. I just think a certain class of person probably works or eats there.

[demmiblue]

97. I am going with tacky, and skeevy. n/t

[Phentex]

165. I agree with your reasoning...

:thumbsup:

[Shagbark Hickory]

70. Why would I judge someone for eating at hooters? Or working at hooters?

[Shagbark Hickory]

71. Someone should open up a restaurant chain called "Peckers" and have men in shorts and midrift shirts

as servers.
Just like hooters.

[Whisp]

151. or bum cleavage. cut pants down so the asscheeks just show a bit.

hope he's a wiper!

sometimes I think sticking your tits in someone's face is just as stupid

[WatsonT]

220. No doubt the reason that hasn't happened is that it would fail

women don't seem as interested in that sort of thing.

[Shagbark Hickory]

256. You dont actually believe that, do you? nt

[WatsonT]

257. I believe the free market is pretty good at giving people what they want

in exchange for money.

And they do tend to appeal to our baser motivations.

Which is why we have plenty of strip clubs aimed at men, and far fewer at women.

Or in this case we have plenty of restaurants like hooters aimed at men, but far fewer aimed at women.

So given that there is no law or material shortage affecting supply that means either women don't have any money (which is obviously untrue) or are less willing to spend it on this kind of thing.

Or the third option is that businesses for some reason have decided not to tap a very lucrative market, inexplicably refusing to make money off of sex, for the first time in human history.

[Shagbark Hickory]

260. I would go out of my way to eat there. Looking pretty good for the third option.

[WatsonT]

261. It's unlikely that you have enough money to support an entire industry

Meaning that others would have to agree with you for it to work.

Are you seriously suggesting that rich people refuse to invest in a guaranteed money maker that is simple and legal?

[Shagbark Hickory]

264. I don't know about rich people. Seems like it would be a hit in certain neighborhoods.

Neighborhoods with higher concentrations of gay men and also single females.
I don't get it.

[WatsonT]

266. I'm not a restaurateur

But apparently those who are have deemed it's not worth the start up costs.

[Shagbark Hickory]

284. Well all I can say is they're missing out on big time profits.

Because I'm sure I'm not the only one who would drive for 40 miles to eat there and would keep going back if the food and service was good and the servers were worth looking at.

[Renew Deal]

75. It's a sports bar.

:shrug:

[fujiyama]

78. At my last job

we used to go there once in a while for lunch. But seriously, the food sucks and eventually I think we all realized that the novelty wore thin and we stopped going there.

If I'm going to pay that much, I'd rather eat something that tastes pretty good.

[Iggo]

79. My honest opinion is that I don't much care.

I eat at restaurants. I look at pretty girls. I don't see the need to combine the two activities, but that's me.

[EC]

83. Pigs

who like looking a tits more than eating good food.


And don't tell me they have good wings. I'm sick and tired of us poor folk being the entertainment for others.

[EOTE]

100. Why can't I comment on the wings?

They're not as good as mine, but they're still pretty good. And do you have a problem with rich folk being the entertainment for others? Because quite a few of them are in the entertainment business. What's wrong with a woman wearing attractive clothing if that's part of the job description? The indignation I'm seeing around here surrounding Hooters is pretty hilarious to me.

[EC]

102. They are not unique.

You can get them other places.

Well, is Hooters in the entertainment business or food?

I'm sure there are women who feel adored with guys oogling them and then there are those that just need a job. Many good looking women get really, really tired of being hit on and touched. I hated it when I was younger, not so much for it being demeaning, but because of the intrusions - forcing me to be nice and polite to pains in the ass.

I have no problem with ENTERTAINERS entertaining.

Personnally, I hate the name, I hate the uniforms - combined they give the impression that it's okay to grope and make snide remarks.


On edit: since the food is crap, the drink too expensive and cheap quality...why bother going? Like getting ripped off? Or is it just entertaining getting ripped off by pretty young girls?

[EOTE]

120. I'm still failing to see your point.

Sure, the wings aren't terribly unique. But why should I go out of my way to get the same wings if Hooters is conveniently located?

And I'd contend that Hooters, much like most party-themed restaurants (Fridays, Ruby Tuesdays, Bennigan's and such) are in both the food and entertainment business. That's why they typically have liquor licenses.

You may think that the name of the establishment and the uniforms give the impression that groping is acceptable, but the ONE time I ever saw anything approaching a grope, it was dealt with immediately and harshly.

And the reason that anyone would go to Hooters is rather simple. No one likes getting ripped off, but they obviously feel that having lunch or whatever in a relaxed, fun environment with attractive women walking around in skimpy clothing is worth the premium that they pay for average food. You'll pay a hell of a lot more for a hell of a lot worse food at any strip club. You'll find similar values in just about any establishment that doesn't offer food as its primary attraction.

[snooper2]

114. poor folk being the entertainment for others?

Most all of the girls at the hooters around the corner are going to college and are driving a 50K BMW that Daddy bought. One of my co-workers is engaged to a manager there....

If your curious which one, corner of Plano Parkway & 75 Northbound access road

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

85. The waitresses know what theyr'e doing and the cooks know thier food is average...

Lots of people like sexy women. Lots of people like chicken wings.
I'm sure many like both. I don't see the big deal.

I just wish actual titty-bars served good wings/food.

[Hepburn]

87. Immature and dated.

Many years ago, a friend of mine and I took a Saudi prince to the Hooters that is or was in New Porsche Beach, CA, which is known to many as Newport Beach. The prince and his entourage giggled like 12 years olds and invited me to visit them in their home land. Weird deal ~~ I was treated like a guy because I am a lawyer, so I was told that I could drive, etc., and enjoy the rights that men have...but could I bring some women with me? Like I was to pimp for him. He went on to describe blonds with big tits. Felt like it was 1956 and I was a voyeur at a 6th grade all boys party and the guys discovered that some women have big tits and will show them.

Basically, that defines Hooters to me. No one goes there for the food.

PS: I was went there because my friend was in a business deal with the Prince and I was the attorney involved. Not a social event.

[EOTE]

101. Don't you think your poor experience there is more due to your company...

than Hooters itself? I'd imagine you'd have had an awkward and offensive time just about anywhere you went considering you were with men from such a backwards place. I'd imagine most men from Saudi Arabia act like it's 1956.

And some people really do go for the food. I don't anymore because I've got a good burger joint by me. But there was a time where there was no decent food around me and Hooters was one of the few places I could get a quick and decent lunch. Still wouldn't go there often, but it's convenient for some.

[Zorra]

89. Here's what I think: Report of the APA Task Force on the Sexualization of Girls

snip---
There are several components to sexualization, and these set it apart from healthy sexuality. Sexualization occurs when

a person’s value comes only from his or her sexual appeal or behavior, to the exclusion of other characteristics;

a person is held to a standard that equates physical attractiveness (narrowly defined) with being sexy;

a person is sexually objectified—that is, made into a thing for others’ sexual use, rather than seen as a person with the capacity for independent action and decision making; and/or

sexuality is inappropriately imposed upon a person.

http://www.apa.org/pi/women/programs/girls/report.aspx

[eShirl]

90. more testosterone than brains and/or taste buds

[seabeyond]

91. there are way more men with testosterone that have no interest in objectifying and

dehumanizing women.

i get your post. but i hate to suggest that all the men that are not interested in hooters somehow lacks.

personally, i think they rule.

[eShirl]

106. I'm talking about people who spend their money to eat at the Hooters restaurant

[bemildred]

92. A fool and his money are soon parted. nt

[WinkyDink]

93. Really? It's named HOOTERS, FGS.

[Codeine]

94. I live in southern California. Busty women in tight tops and short shorts

aren't exactly a novelty here.

And Hooter's doesn't have anything I can eat anyway. Bastards.

[bigwillq]

95. People really need to get over Hooters.

If you don't like it, don't go. The women are not forced to work there. If some choose to make money off of their body or looks, I don't see anything wrong with it. Their body, their choice.

I go there. Always had a good time. Yeah, the food isn't great but it's a fun place.

[PassingFair]

108. Douchebag!

That's what my girls call "gentlemen" they see
walking in and out of Hooters....

(We'd make an exception for you, though.)

"That's no DOUCHEBAG, that's bigwillq!"

[TheKentuckian]

98. I think the beer is overpriced and the grub is over-rated. My girlfriend loves it

I don't know any guys that care about Hooters that much because there are better places for drinks, food, and peepage.

I'm surprised anyone cares though. The outfits are nothing unusual today.

[Matariki]

103. Frequented by men who weren't properly weaned.

[Beacool]

104. I have never been to a Hooters.

Although I've seen the girls on TV and know what they wear. As a straight woman, I have no interest in going to eat there. The food, for what I've heard, is nothing special. So what interest could I possibly have in frequenting Hooters?

I understand that men are visual creatures and go for the eye candy. Personally, as long as the wait people are clean and presentable, I don't care what they look like. I go to a restaurant for the food and the atmosphere, but I wouldn't frequent a place if the only thing it had going for it was hunky male waiters and crappy food.

:shrug:

[Warren DeMontague]

107. Never been there, but if moralizing, sex-phobic handwringers complain and whine about it too much

I could always be forced to go.

[cherokeeprogressive]

111. All this talk I see here about how sexually repressed Americans are but yet we argue

over some women in tight tops and shorts serving crappy food.

I'm so confused.

[Ikonoklast]

113. Crappy food, the wait staff could be naked for all I care, bad food would keep me away.

[mistertrickster]

115. As a non-puritanical man, I think Hooters is a place for guys stuck in 8th grade.

"I'm going to Hooters" is announcing to the world you are a total loser.

[marions ghost]

122. +++ agree

it's just kinda juvenile.

[Maru Kitteh]

125. best description in the whole thread

you win the internet for the day - don't forget to turn the lights off and lock up when you're done

[last_texas_dem]

116. I ended up going to one once with one of my friends.

I didn't have much interest in going, but he seemed pretty enthusiastic, so I figured I might as well try it once.

Honestly, being there made me feel like kind of a creeper, and the general atmosphere bummed me out. I can never get past the whole "woman flirting with men she'd otherwise never give the time of day to, because it's part of her job" thing. (And, yeah, I know this happens to an extent in a variety of restaurants beyond Hooters, but it's obviously more pronounced there.) It makes the whole atmosphere feel kind of pathetic to me.

Oddly, I remember not minding the food, though, but, then again, I'm one of those people who eats Taco Bell regularly. haha

[Marr]

118. It combines the worst elements of a strip club with the worst elements of a chain restaurant.

If the place was full of naked women and delicious food, I would love it. But it's regular waitresses sporting a stripper-esque phony flirtatiousness, and serving severely overpriced, mediocre food.

[fishwax]

119. I find the concept annoying, but I've no judgment of the staff or clientele

I've never been there and don't see myself ever going. I'm generally not interested in spaces that are organized around crowds of males ogling women, and I have no interest in being part of a group that is engaged in that activity. (And, incidentally, I've caught my share of flack over the years for not participating in such things, but so be it.)

I know that not everyone who goes to Hooters goes there simply to ogle women, though, so I don't necessarily look down on guys (or ladies, and I've known several who were fans of the place) who go there. But that is the restaurant's raison d'être, so it's not for me.

[Shandris]

123. I'm somewhat ambivalent about Hooters.

I can see (to a degree) the objectification argument. I get, for the most part, where Seabeyond is coming from (as one of the more prolific posters in the thread) and up to a certain point I agree with her. However, a couple other posters mentioned the prevalence of appearance in virtually every occupation where there is a social element to the business; sales comes to mind. Having been both a server and a salesperson in my varied career (euphemism for 'string of non-related jobs :D ), I can at least attest to the fact that they are also correct. Appearance in the sales personnel was a key factor in the two opportunities I've had to work around salespeople (one as sales, one working very closely with sales).

Unfortunately, I'm not a Top Grade Model; I was good enough to get the job though, even though I seldom led the sales sheets/brought in the most tips. Usually, it was the best looking who got that place (and no, I'm not claiming they ONLY did so because of appearance, they didn't get the job ONLY on appearance). So -- and this is an assumption -- not just any schlub can walk in and get hired at Hooters. One still needs to be a decent waitress, I would suspect, or they'd be at Waffle House. That's the point where my agreement over objectification ends -- because they are not being hired SOLELY because of appearance. A poster published a Finding on Objectification that mentioned that the value must come SOLELY from appearance. I guess really only then did I think about how I viewed the restaurant as a whole (because frankly, I think there's a Hooters somewhere in Indianapolis, and I don't drive there often -- CERTAINLY not to waste money on what I consider a gimmick-restaurant to begin with).

Sex as fun. That does seem to be part of the question. Men can come across as 'sex is fun', and there's no problem with it. If a woman does the same, then she's either being objectified, or we revert to the 'slut shaming' that there have been threads about lately. I'm not much into pearl-clutching, and I don't think women are so powerless as to be completely unable to choose where she wants to apply.

As for 'Cocks' and 'Shaft', the two mythical businesses...go for it. I don't know if they would have the desired result, but I wouldn't say you couldn't make one. You'd probably have to change Cocks to Bananas or something, but it's a niche no different than the Ladies Night Review they advertise so often at bars around here except you can pay for overpriced food too. I wouldn't go, because if I'm going to pay for food, I want to be paying for FOOD. If viewing people was so important to me, I'd use the internet for free. Shafts could be interesting from a casual-mechanic point of view; I get nervous in mechanic shops because I know so very little about cars and everyone is so...I don't know, uptight I guess. Ifg it were overpriced though -- say, worse than Midas -- I doubt I could afford it.

Sorry so long, it's a complex topic.

[deutsey]

124. I've only been to one because a friend took me to it. I wasn't impressed.

The food was mediocre, I'm not all that into sports, and I'm really not interested in the female stereotype the restaurant promotes.

My friend likes the place, though. Vive la difference, I guess.

[Obamanaut]

126. Don't know if their menu items are the same everywhere, but the ones

I've been to in N Fla and S Ga have had excellent grouper sandwiches.

Have been to several on motorcycle rides with small groups, and quite often some of the guys will have their wives with them - some riding their own bikes.

[Bunny]

127. My honest opinion? Men who frequent Hooters are skeevy losers.

I don't care if Hooters exists, I won't be leading the charge to shut them down or anything. And I don't care about a guy who goes there once to see what all the fuss is about. But men who frequent Hooters? :puke:

[Atman]

131. My honest opinion...people who think as you do are...

...not losers, but sorely misguided. Why do you give a **** where other people choose to spend their time? What are you advocating? That everyone be exactly the same? That we all like what you like? That we all share your testosterone/estrogen levels? What makes this matter to you? You've got sexual issues, that's cool. You're far from alone. But you're also far from being the norm. Because there is no "normal," no matter how hard the sexually oppressed feel the need to make everyone else conform to their standards.

You see, I don't care one way or another if you EVER, ever step into a Hooters. I don't care. If you don't like it, don't go. But judge not lest ye be judged. Why do you care what other people do with their time, as long as it isn't hurting anybody. And believe me, I've seen skimpier costumes at DisneyWorld...Hooters is just another theme park with a food court. Tacky? Sure. Tasteless? Probably (food included). But there are 300,000,000 people in this country. The minute we all subscribe to the exact same magazine, attend the exact same movie, watch the exact same tv show...or like the exact same waitress...is the day we're totally doomed as a society and become no different than America's old image of Communist China.

.

[Bunny]

203. Because of course, that's EXACTLY what I said.

:eyes:

There there, dear.It's okay for me to have a different opinion than yours. Really, it's okay. Here, maybe you should lie down and collect yourself for a bit.

[Atman]

221. Sweetheart, I didn't claim that's EXACTLY what you said.

But I can read between the lines. I'm a very, VERY progressive liberal. And I like Hooters specifically for their naked wings...the only menu item I've ever eaten there. I don't care one way or another about the server's costumes. I play beach volleyball...everyone I play with wears less than any Hooters server on any given day. Yet you feel qualified to classify me as a "skeevy loser?"

I don't need to lie down at all. But I do think you need a serious reality check.

Signed - Skeevy

[seabeyond]

223. the question... honest feeling about men at hooters. the poster, i and others has said

as much as you profess a persons right to, you seem to have a huge issue when a person gives their opinion.

you dont need to like what people think of those that go to hooter. who cares what they think. but that was the question asked in the op and bunny and i and everyone else does have the right to our opinion as much as you have to yours.

[Atman]

227. Huh? Who cares what people think...but here's a thread asking people what they think.

WTF? What am I missing? My opinion isn't important, I'm only supposed to validate that your opinion is important? Come on...you didn't really post that with a straight face.

[seabeyond]

231. we were asked what we thought. we told what we thought. you are here to tell everyone

that doesnt think like you that they are wrong, thinking what they do. as you defend your position by saying.... each their own.

tis funny

[Atman]

239. Oh Christ...you again.

We've tangled many times before during my many years on DU. And, as always, you'll reply by saying you've never heard of me. And, as usual, I said nothing that you attributed to me. Nothing like it at all. How come if I disagree with you I'm just being disagreeable, but if you disagree with me, you're right and I'm an asshole? This is the fundamental problem which has so screwed up our ability to deal with real issues: one of us MUST be wrong. Even though we're both basically in agreement, but someone has to be a villain. From our history, it's clear you just like being contrary, regardless of how much we're actually in agreement.

[seabeyond]

247. oh atman... lol, i read post after post you calling people prude, sexually repressed and sex issues

because people arent into objectifying women. she feels men that go are skeevy losers. tis cool. you had issue with it.

i really dont remember one atlercation, lol, we have had. has to have been a while. as a matter of fact, when i started reading your posts i checked your profile to see if male or female. was undeclared. for most of your posts, i thought you were a woman, until i got to one, you talked about your wife.

then

then

i see a post you say.... nail it. with kali. and i am thinking, WTF????

lol

cause, i agreed with that post, too. was thinking, nailed it.

so

for me

it has been a hoot and waited until after i had dinner in the oven to post this to you so i could put time into it instead of a sentence here, sentence there.

:toast:

[Warren DeMontague]

128. If someone wants to open a restaurant called "Nuts" they should do that, too.

:shrug:

[Atman]

136. "Truck Nuts."

Big money-maker. You can buy them online and at truck stops. I find them ridiculous and inappropriate for public roadways. But I don't see many of them, and there are far bigger issues to worry about.

To answer your question, YES, absolutely, NUTS should be allowed to open. If it is too distasteful for the local community standards, the locals will show up at town meetings and protest. If only two of them show up in a town of thousands, then who is actually representing the "prevailing standards" of the community? OTOH, if the hundreds gathered and were outraged at the new "Nuts" restaurant opening, then serious consideration should be considered to granting a license.

Or you can do it the Republican way...when tens of thousands march on a State Capital, they are ignored

Choose your battles. This is just plain silly. It's a restaurant. If you don't like it, don't go.

[Warren DeMontague]

140. Personally, I've never been to a "Hooters", but I am generally pro-breast.

:shrug:

[Rex]

129. Never go there, if I wanted to look at nekked women I would go to a titty bar.

If I want food, I go to a restaurant.

[Warren DeMontague]

141. I thought that's what the internet was for.

Thanks, DARPA! :patriot:

[Rex]

150. ROFLMAO!

Seriously, after 3 gigs of asian porn...well maybe the actual caress of a womans touch is needed...besides (and most importantly) she won't take up valuable hard drive space! :hi:

[blueamy66]

130. Won't go and do not appreciate my man going.

It exploits women.

He knows I don't like it and probably hasn't gone there in years.

[Warren DeMontague]

133. "probably"?

you don't sound sure...

[blueamy66]

144. Hey, he travels for a living.

If I worried about his every move, I'd lose my mind.

[Warren DeMontague]

158. I think anyone who is eating regularly at Hooters...

is going to end up with some cholesterol problems, never mind the boobs...

[blueamy66]

205. good answer

:-)

[Atman]

167. Oh, so he checks out the local strip bars instead.

That must be a comforting alternative reality for you. After all, since so many of the detractors on this thread seem to have all of us men pegged, what do you think your traveling man is doing during his evenings with clients in a strange town? A good book at the local Barne's And Nobel coffee shop? A scone and a cup of tea before watching "Desperate Housewives" in the hotel room?

[blueamy66]

204. Nice post. You're a sweetheart, aren't ya?

Um, I keep the bank accounts. He asks me for cash. So, if he ever wanted any cash for a strip bar, he's gotta ask me for it. If he put it on his business card, he's lose his job.

And the last time we went to a strip bar in Vegas together, he played video poker and I checked out the nudies.

AND I take care of him at home....so he doesn't need to oogle women.

AND when he's on a business trip, he takes his clients to upscale restaurants, not shitholes like Hooter's.

I know my guy, inside and out. :-)

[Atman]

213. Now I'm really beginning to wonder who is "exploited!"

He can't spend his own paycheck without asking you?

I would never dream of taking a client to Hooters, either. And my wife likes the nudie bars, too...so again, who is being exploited? I thought just the men were pigs? Why do you and my wife both like the nudies? Hmm. Lots of contradictions. This discussion gets curiouser and curiouser.

.

[blueamy66]

226. Um, once he's done paying child support and I don't have to

work OT to make sure he lives a nice life, sure...and when I work extra hours w/out OT pay so that I could get that last promotion...yeah, then he can spend his own paycheck. It's not like he's being held in the basement against his will. I don't belittle him or put him on an allowance. Instead, we work as a TEAM and he's not missing out on a thing....trust me.

A strip bar is a STRIP BAR. Hooter's is supposed to be a RESTAURANT. That's my point.

I didn't mean to be rude. I apologize.

[Liberal_in_LA]

134. men who go there are pigs. Yeah, I said it.

[JuniperLea]

139. I have to agree...

I went there with some girlfriends once to check it out (one of my friends was considering applying for a job there), and several of the men there thought we were part of the objectification and side show... they made lewd remarks, etc., tried to join our table. One guy tried to touch me... I flinched and bristled and asked if his nuts would like a closeup of my boots in action. I've never been back. The food sucked anyway.

[Liberal_in_LA]

187. horrible!

[Atman]

194. Yeah! Horrible! That only happens at Hooters!

"Liberal" in LA? By what measure? You do realize where you live, right?

[JuniperLea]

202. Of course not...

I'm hit on all the time... but only the clod at Hooters thought he had the right to touch me.

No one is saying Hooters shouldn't exist... I just want women warned that unless they are willing to go with the flow there, it's probably not the place for them.

That said, I pity any woman who feels she has no worthwhile employment other than Hooters.

[Atman]

214. That's where you and I differ.

I don't PITY women who have to work at Hooters. I empathize with their plight in a shitty economy. We all have to pay the rent, we all have to eat. Sometimes life doesn't work out like our fairy-tale schoolbooks promised.

[JuniperLea]

222. The two are not mutually exclusive...

I can empathize and pity at the same time.

You're preaching to the choir here... I'm a raging success at career choice #3.

We can't always get what we want, but if we try... sometimes we just might find... we get what we need.

[PassingFair]

233. What, do you own stock in Hooters or something?

You're taking this a tad personally.

[Liberal_in_LA]

255. lol. Yes, I realize where I live.

:-)

[themadstork]

137. I think it's stupid, and the food is horrible, even for a chain.

You go in and it's like, wow, gee, women have BREASTS! And when they wear tight shirts this fact becomes somewhat OBVIOUS!

I'm over the whole stereotypically American "we must explode with wild preteen joy every time we see a boobie" thing. Seems like most guys are either severely oversexed or undersexed, and I no longer know how to tell the difference.


Working at a Shafts or Bananas could be kinda fun though. My soon-to-be mother-in-law once commented that she thought my "size" (don't ask) would "take me places." Maybe that's what she meant!

By the way, how did the word 'hooters' ever become a euphemism for breasts? An owl. . .? How does that connection get made?

Interestingly enough the OED has no entry for 'hooter' as sexual euphemism. Here's their etymological entry for 'hoot' as a verb--

Etymology:  Middle English hūten is found c1200: perhaps echoic, representing an inarticulate sound like the hooting of owls or the ‘toot’ of a horn or pipe, of which the characteristic vowel is u (being that heard at the greatest distance, whence its use in distant calls, as hoo! hoo!, cooee, etc.). Compare Swedish huta ut ‘to take one up sharply’, Middle High German hiuzen, húzen to call to the pursuit; also Danish huie to shout, cry, halloo, French huer to hoot, and the exclamations mentioned under hoot int. But the phonology presents difficulties: beside hūten, Middle English had hōten, northern and Scots huit, hute: perhaps a different word. Middle English hūten regularly gave later hout, howt, down to 17th cent., when its place appears to have been taken by hoot, which might either be the descendant of Old English hōten, or an alteration of hout under the influence of the natural sounds (compare cuckoo n.). The late spelling whoot was due to the influence of who, whom, whose.

And here's their entries for 'hooter' as a noun. Almost unbelievable that they have 'hooter' as slang for a nose but not for breasts. The prudes!! I've bolded the usage examples that I thought were kinda funny.

hooter, n.1

Pronunciation:  /ˈhuːtə (r)/
Etymology:  < hoot v. + -er suffix1.
  One who or that which hoots.


 
 a. A person or animal that hoots: esp. an owl.

1674    J. Ray N. Countrey Words in Coll. Eng. Words 26   A Gill-houter, Chesh., an Owl.
1763    ‘T. Bobbin’ Toy-shop (new ed.) To Rdr. p. vi,   Thoose ot connaw tell a Bitter bump fro a Gillhooter.
1828    H. Angelo Reminisc. I. 492   If the lout who was pointed out to me just now, be he, I never beheld‥such a scare~crow, such a long-legged gilly-hooter.
1856    F. E. Paget Owlet of Owlstone Edge 12   Though he was esteemed a good hooter in his youth, their hootings beat his hollow.
1884    R. Holland Gloss. Words County of Chester (1886) ,   Hooter, an owl.
1899    N.E.D. at Hooter,   Mod. A few hooters tried to disturb the meeting.

 
 b. A steam whistle or siren; esp. one at large works, sounded as a signal for beginning or ceasing work.

1878    C. J. H. Fletcher in Oxford Chron. 19 Oct.,   The conditions under which these ‘hooters’ or ‘buzzers’ are used in our northern manufacturing towns.
1881    Daily News 24 Feb. 5/3   Behind this apparent boiler stands the driver with brake, regulator and ‘hooter’ within easy reach.
1894    Westm. Gaz. 30 June 5/2   The accompaniment of indescribable din and noise from the sirens and hooters of all the steamers down below.
1897    R. D. Blackmore Dariel lv. 485   The Osset tongue‥sounds like‥a hooter at the junction.

 
 c. The horn of a motor vehicle.

1908    Lincoln Rutland & Stamford Merc. 19 June 5   No hooter was sounded on the car when rounding this dangerous corner.
1972    M. Irving Mr Purpose 10   Mike pulled up outside Joanna's house, beeped on the hooter and she appeared.

 
 d. slang. The nose.

1958    F. Norman Bang to Rights 52   He held it up to his face as though he was going to blow his hooter.
1972    Times 18 July 12/5   Derek Griffiths is a young coloured comedian with a face like crushed rubber‥and a hooter to rival Cyrano de Bergerac.


Hooter, n.2

U.S. colloq.

 
  = hoot n.2 = The smallest amount or particle; a whit or atom. Chiefly with negative and in phrases to give (care, matter) two hoots (a hoot) .



1839    Havana (New York) Republican 21 Aug.,   Now the Grampus stopt, and didn't buge <= budge> one hooter.
1889    Commercial (Cincinnati) 17 Oct.,   It has not harmed the Republican cause in Ohio a hooter.
1896    Harper's Mag. Apr. 784/1   Now I can have all I want, I don't care a hooter!
1900    E. A. Dix Deacon Bradbury xii,   ‘Do you mean that you don't know anything about the matter at all?’‥‘Not a hooter.’

[hayu_lol]

153. Never been to one...

it is a job for those who don't have one...and we have multitudes in this category. Way to make money while waiting for a good job to open up.

[iris27]

269. You win the thread.

"You go in and it's like, wow, gee, women have BREASTS! And when they wear tight shirts this fact becomes somewhat OBVIOUS!

I'm over the whole stereotypically American "we must explode with wild preteen joy every time we see a boobie" thing"

+100000000000000000 :)

[Taverner]

142. Honestly? If they want porn just go to a fucking strip show

I mean really, what's the point of Hooters?

If I order the fish, I want fish, dammit!

[EFerrari]

146. It's sort of creepy to use the bodies of young women as a selling point.

:shrug:

[immoderate]

148. They have fried pickles as a dish.

Fried pickles? :shrug:

--imm

[Atman]

156. They're damned good.

I hate to admit it. I won't order them myself...feel somewhat ashamed or something. But I've had them as take-out at parties. Sounds crazy, but, mmmmmmm...yummy.

[immoderate]

288. Maybe it's because I love pickles. My favorite food.

And of course frying enhances the quality of most things. I don't perceive the value added in the case of a pickle, as opposed to say, a potato or an onion.

Maybe it's because the pickles they use usually are not seen outside a cheap hamburger bun. OK, I am a snob when it comes to pickles.

--imm

[Modern_Matthew]

152. Honest opinion? Sad that I haven't had a chance to visit one. nt

[roman7]

157. fired up

i dont like to get turned on if i have to take care of it myself

[Atman]

161. Make sure you wash your hands after those hot wings...

Oh, the burn!

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

160. Every time I go into a Hooters to down a couple of beers I tell those sexist pigs exactly how I feel

about them..... Just kidding. I can't stand their food. nt

[Atman]

163. Where'd you get the CATNIP poster?!

My cats want one! That's awesome. Is it available in hi-res, enough to be printable?

Oh, wait, this thread is about hooters, not pussies. But still, I love that Catnip poster!

[themadstork]

168. catnip poster is the best thing about this place. Nt

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

180. I made it using this photo of my cat and the website below.

I don't think the end result will give you a high resolution though.

And yes, let's stick to the subject at hand. :evilgrin:



http://obamiconme.pastemagazine.com/

[leftstreet]

162. It's another example of capitalists profiting on the backs of labor

Workers being exploited so a handful can line their pockets - same shit different day

[Atman]

164. Yawn.

Someone has to run the store.

All things being equal, all things are NOT equal.

[leftstreet]

166. The women are perfectly capable of "running the store"

:shrug:

[slackmaster]

172. I'll bet you didn't know that "32% of Hooters Management Team and Corporate Staff are female."

http://www.hooters.com/Didyouknow.aspx

[leftstreet]

175. So? The gender of management means....what exactly?

:shrug:

This is a capital v labor issue

[Atman]

179. Capital vs. Labor issue? Not according to the thread title.

I don't think the OP was the slightest bit concerned with "capital vs. labor."

[leftstreet]

188. Yes. I brought it up

Guilty as charged

I had no opinion on the workers or customers, I was just making an observation

[readmoreoften]

304. 32%? That's kind of low. Shouldn't it be 50%?

And what counts as "management"? Head waitress?

[Atman]

173. Who said women couldn't "run the store?"...why bring "the man" into this?

As in the workers at the mercy of the man? This is just a business...someone has to own it, someone has to run it, someone has to work there. Why does simply running a business have to equate to oppressing people? Whomever started Hooters had a business model that worked. If he didn't have the investors, workers and customers, he'd have failed and gone out of business.

Let's be clear, there are horrible businesses. There are good businesses. I don't which category Hooters falls into, but I'm not willing to say they're in the former just because they employ female servers in shorts and tank tops. It works. Some segment of the population likes it enough to keep the business going. I said nothing about women not being capable of "running the store." For all I know, Hooters has female managers "running the store." Lots and lots of pre-judgement going on in this thread. Disturbing for DU, but certainly not surprising. We're nothing if not totally inconsistent in our outrages.

[leftstreet]

178. Sigh. The workers could also gather the "investors, workers and customers"

There is no need for a profit taking middle-person

The issue is exploitation of labor

[Atman]

184. WORK is the exploitation of labor.

I'm being exploited right now, as I type this. And in return for my being exploited, I pay the mortgage and send my kid to college and take a vacation every now and then.

Damn them.

[leftstreet]

191. ?? You can't be serious

But if you are, you're entitled to your opinion

That's cool

[Atman]

197. I'm very serious.

Explain to me how a company gets any work done without its labor force? And how they have to pay them the least amount necessary to turn a profit and run a successful business. EVERY business does this. It isn't my "opinion," it is how business runs...you hire people to make the stuff you want to sell at a profit. What am I misstating?

[leftstreet]

201. It's the 'profit' I was talking about

"Explain to me how a company gets any work done without its labor force?"

Uh...the postal service, the Vets Admin, the entire Canadian healthcare system, public education, etc.
There are many examples of "work getting done" without a handful of people making massive profits.

:shrug:

[Atman]

208. Uh, class...anyone else care to take on Mr. Utopia?

:shrug:

[leftstreet]

211. Yeah, the Canadian nonprofit healthcare system does seem like Utopia

certainly from the US perspective

[Atman]

215. So explain again how the Canadian HC system compares to American retail trade?

Specifically, the restaurant industry, on which this thread is based. They're equivalent how, exactly? Just because they're both "businesses" doesn't mean they're both the same things.

[leftstreet]

258. Uh, it doesn't. Canadian HC is nonprofit

And no, this thread isn't about the restaurant industry

It's about boobs and money

or:
how to separate boobs from their money

or:
Capitalism and patriarchy

[Atman]

281. Uh, bingo.

There is no comparison. But you attempted to make one. Do you what they call a non-profit retail business? "Closed."

[leftstreet]

293. Actually, you attempted to make the comparison. I didn't.

You said "Explain to me how a company gets any work done without its labor force? And how they have to pay them the least amount necessary to turn a profit and run a successful business."

I gave examples of successful operations that rely on a workforce, but not profit. One being the VA.

Then you wanted to talk about businesses thst "make stuff." The workers at the Hooter Inc company aren't manufacturing a product.

In fact it's an excellent example of excessive worker exploitation for profit. I suspect workers there incur out of pocket expenses related to increasing owner profit: cosmetics, perfumes, hair styling/coloring whatnot, fitness memberships, cosmetic surgeries, etc. god knows what

I'd wager that even after the employee investment in those things required by the employer AND to facilitate an adequate tip (assuming the wages themselves aren't proportionally increased depending on the outcome of the individual investment)well, I'd bet at the end of the day the average tip isn't much greater than one would receive at a non-sexually oriented establishment. That's to say, the culprit in lousy tips is most likely still somewhat traditional: poor service and/or bad attitude. So on top of the personal investment in maintaining a level of physical appeal, the server must additionally develop the very skills and attitude that would net comparable wages/tips at say Dennys.

[slackmaster]

169. I imagine that line being spoken in a cloud of bluish smoke

Book-ended by 10 seconds of gurgling noise and a 30-second coughing fit.

[WatsonT]

174. I take it the computer you're typing on wasn't produced by any sort

of capitalist system, that it was a workers cooperative who produced it for you. As well as providing you with electricity and internet.

Which non-profit, worker owned company do you get your stuff from out of curiosity?

[Atman]

177. Booyah!

Score.

[readmoreoften]

307. Yes, fallacious argument. Big "score."

Go hire the capitalist system to grow your food now. It's called the fallacy of composition. The "capitalist system" does not make computers. People who work make computers. The "capitalist system" profits off the labor of those workers. That's why "the capitalist system" fears general strikes. Because the people who MAKE THINGS don't earn them PROFIT anymore.

Now go back to reading your Ayn Rand.

[leftstreet]

182. My goodness. Pointing out exploitation of labor sure riles people up

tsk tsk

Sorry

I'll move on

[WatsonT]

186. A) not riled, having fun at your expense

B) they aren't exploited. Hell a pretty girl can make more there without a college degree than in most other jobs.
C) they aren't exploited. I repeated that twice because it's key.

Having a job =! exploited labor yearning to be free.

[readmoreoften]

305. No. It wasn't produced by a "capitalist system." It was produced by LABOR.

What do capitalists have to do with the building of anything. They aren't engineers or computer scientists. They are investors who make a profit off labor. Ask Bill Gates and Goldman Sachs to build you a computer without labor. You have no computer just a lot of schemes on paper.

[Sky Masterson]

171. I go for the scantily clothed waitresses

I can't lie. Sue me if I enjoy being served overpriced crap by a buxom pretty female who wouldn't give me the time of day outside of the restaurant.
:P

[ReggieVeggie]

181. well, I've been to hooters

they had some decent food...that was like 1998...no real interest in going back PLUS there's not one in my area and I'm not interesed in going back

[WatsonT]

183. Personally I don't approve of women working outside the home

or exposing their bodies in such ways.

Really their fathers or husbands should discipline them for such disgraceful behavior.

If a woman is to serve you (who isn't your wife/sister/mother) she should be dressed like this:

[LanternWaste]

193. I imagine it could be an Either-Or proposition to many people.

I imagine it could be an Either-Or proposition to many people.

[Nye Bevan]

243. Yes. If women can work as waitresses wearing shorts and T-shirts, where will it all end? (nt)

[LanternWaste]

185. Very little and even less.

"What is your honest opinion of Hooters and the men who frequent these establshments?"


The establishment: Very little

The patrons: Even less.




But then again, I imagine we all rationalize and justify many of our excesses.

[stuntcat]

192. made me take the flag off my house

the example of what makes me ashamed :patriot:

[krabigirl]

196. I think It is no big deal, but i don't like their food very much. Nt

[davidthegnome]

200. I don't really have one

I've never been to one, not sure I've ever seen one at all that I noticed as being a Hooters. It's odd I suppose, but I'm about to turn 27 in rural Maine and I just don't care about hooters one way or another.

I get the controversy, to some extent... it's just not significant to me. None of my business.

[pokerfan]

210. delete

wrong thread

[MadHound]

212. Not my thing,

Went there once and was unimpressed. The food was crap and the waitresses were in their fake, way too cheery mode. Yeah, they're good looking, but you can find good looking anywhere.

But hey, if the women want to work there of their own free will, and the customers want to go there of their own free will, who am I to complain.:shrug:

Besides, it isn't like there haven't been bars using good looking women in tight fitting costumes to drum up business before Hooters. And if Hooters goes away, I imagine something similar will take its place.

And if somebody wants to fire up a bar that features good looking young men in skimpy clothes doing the wait staff duties, go for it. In fact I think there are a few of those around as well. But I won't be patronizing those either. I go to a bar for good alcoholic drinks and good company(which I usually bring with me). I go to a restaurant for good food and good company. If an establishment fulfills those requirements, hell, the waitstaff could be wearing either burkas or be stark naked, I wouldn't care.

[Fuzz]

217. The Hooters in Miami was the first one I ever went to, and I swear I never heard of them before.

Went there with a girlfriend at the time because we needed something quick to eat and was surprised at what I found when we went in. She did NOT believe me when I said I didn't know about the waitresses.

[Dappleganger]

224. We never go there.

No one in our family has any interest in eating there. I feel sorry for the girls who work there, too.

[Kali]

225. it's a fucking chain

I pretty much dislike all chains unless they are REAL junk food with a drive through window

if I'm going to get out of my vehicle I want real food and I don't need gimmicky costumes and fake cheerfulness either.

as for "the men who frequent these establshments" I guess they must be too scared to go to a strip joint or they are just ordinary fucking people who like chain restaurants' high priced mediocre pre-made food and fake flirting girls in slutty costumes.

as for people taking their kids there? ugh - like letting them watch television - personal choice but what kind of message are you sending to them? mmmm objectifying women and mediocre food.

as somebody mentioned somewhere here: America - stuck in adolescence.

[Atman]

228. Nailed it.

:thumbsup:

[RagAss]

229. It's a sad ass concept and the food sucks.

[flvegan]

230. Could honestly care less what consenting adults do legally

with their money and their looks. If someone wanted to pay me to do underwear ads, I'd be all over it. Stare at THIS, Times Square!

[JonLP24]

232. Food is good imo

It may be pricey but everywhere I go is pricey these days. Except for the dollar menus at fast food places.

[YvonneCa]

235. I will not ever go there. n/t

[underpants]

238. They are like MEN who buy Maxim - just go to a strip club for crying out loud

Hooters is way overpriced and it is all tease.

I have been in Hooters three times.

[TNLib]

240. I'm a female and I've been a few times

There wings use to be really great but the last couple of times I've been they were not so good. I don't think any less of a man that would eat there. It's just another restaurant that hires a pretty waiting staff. That's not very uncommon for most establishments.

[thelordofhell]

241. The Tilted Kilt

http://www.tiltedkilt.com/

[blueamy66]

254. At least people don't announce how good their food is.

I have gone to the Tilted Kilt here in AZ a few times. I like the girls and they're real nice to me.

Everyone KNOWS why people go to the Tilted Kilt. It ain't for the chicken wings....that are SO delicious at Hooter's....NOT.

[Biker13]

242. At Manasquan, NJ...

there's a place named "Carlson's Corner", on the Manasquan inlet. During the summer, they only hire the HOTTEST guys they can find. I remember as a teenager, giving the place a lot of business! The beach beyond the place was a "family" beach, and the young mothers spending the day at the beach with their kids FLOCKED to the place!

Their food was fantastic, BTW!

Anybody here from Jersey know the place?

Biker's Old Lady

[Liquorice]

244. I think they're idiots and/or kind of creepy. That's my honest opinion. nt

[ohheckyeah]

249. I saw the Undercover Boss

segment with the CEO of Hooters. Talk about clueless. When he was confronted by women who told him they thought it was tacky and objectified women his resolution was to 'educate people about Hooters'. Really? What's to know? You appeal to those who think it's okay to gawk at young women in skimpy outfits and your food sucks. It's a really simple concept. Make up for horrible food by using young, attractive girls.

[seabeyond]

250. telling girls to eat off the plate without hands. like an animal. yes, the show did not endear

me to hooters. i didnt watch it. just read about it on du. another thread about hooters. lol

no problem there treating girls like things and animals.... no sir

[ohheckyeah]

252. It was truly disgusting

and the CEO acted surprised that any of the managers would treat the women that worked there like shit.

I've been to Hooters exactly once because a guy I was with wanted to go. I didn't know much about it and had never been before so I went. We didn't stay long and I never went out with him again.

[seabeyond]

253. says something about a guy

that would take a gal there. granted, there are a lot of women that wouldnt mind. but there are a lot of women that would mind.

[ohheckyeah]

268. Really.

Which is why I never went out with him again. Hooters? Seriously, dude?

[alarimer]

259. I hate it.

It is pretty damn sexist and objectifying of women. I would not be in a relationship with anyone who would patronize that place.

[cbdo2007]

262. I find the women customers to be much more creepy and weird than the men.

[mochajava666]

263. It's an embarrassment, but so was Sambos

[Liquorice]

275. Yeah, but "Sambo's" has been gone for over 20 years,

while Hooters is still going strong.

[mochajava666]

295. When Shirley Chisholm ran for President in 1972, she said

that there was much more prejudice against her as a woman than there was because she was black.

So, I'm not surprised that Hooters has outlasted Sambo's.

Good thing is that Hooters, too, shall pass, IMHO.

[iris27]

267. Crap food (seriously, worst onion rings EVER) and skeezy marketing concept.

Any "regular" customer is probably someone I wouldn't want to spend time with, and would have doubts that they see women as fully human.

The outfits themselves aren't the problem, just low-cut tank tops, booty shorts, and flesh-colored opaque tights. They're not really showing any more actual skin than I show at work on a summer day. They're also wearing basically the same outfit as employees of Disney who dress as Tinkerbell to meet little kids and sign autographs...Tink wears a tiny green dress and those same opaque tights.

Rather, it's the concept of female sexuality for sale. Blech. No, thank you.

[darkstar3]

270. That place creeps me out.

I've been there twice. The first time was with a group of mixed gender, and while the appetizers were OK the entrees weren't worth the money. That time, though, didn't creep me out. Since it was a group with girls and guys, the waitress just treated us like any waitress in any other restaurant would have.

Since I didn't really feel like the place was worth the hype or the money, I didn't go back for years. Until one day, on a contract gig far out of town, I wanted a burger for lunch. The project manager said that the best place for a burger was across the street. I walked over to the Hooters.

The burger was good, but the entire experience made me feel...dirty. Since I went alone, I was given the solo guy treatment.

I was seated in a high-standing chair. Looking around the restaurant I noticed that every chair, including at the bar, was at the same height, except the booths where they would seat groups. The chairs are high enough that you HAVE to look down at the wait staff.
The woman who waited on me put on a high pitched, girlish voice that was obviously not her normal speaking voice.
She stood RIGHT next to me, and leaned in the entire time she was talking with me.
She wrote her name on a napkin on my table. Now that in itself wasn't a problem, especially since I have trouble remembering names for some reason, but she wrote in fucking crayon. CRAYON. What was she trying to be, 10?!
She always referred to me using terms of endearment, like "sweetie", "sweetheart", and "honey."

Between that, and realizing that each and every woman employed there was issued a tanktop that was at least one size too small to be actually comfortable, I felt like I was participating in a form of sex exploitation. I wasn't paying for a burger. I was paying for someone scantily clad to give me an hour of "the girlfriend experience."

[Initech]

273. I look at Hooters the same way I look at strip clubs.

I'm a guy and I honestly hate going to both. The whole idea of having someone that you don't know being your girlfriend for an hour just to me isn't kosher to say the least. Those places can be very intimidating and I don't like being intimidated when I go hang out somewhere. I just want to relax, you know!

[shanti]

271. stupid

there's one down the street from me, but i've never and would never step foot in one. :shrug: my feminist side is repelled by it.

[timtom]

272. Vacuous and lacking any substantive energy on both counts.

Hooters girls have always reminded me of Barbie or Stepford wives. And the men are shallow football fans.

That's just MY opinion.

[apocalypsehow]

274. This thread is starving for pics.

No pun intended. :9

[Manifestor_of_Light]

277. Immature, stupid and sexist.

I would not set foot in one.

[sendero]

279. Not directed at you personally..

... but to me, people who worry about stuff like Hooters are just not paying attention. There are zillions of way, way, way, way bigger fish to fry.

Places like Hooters or "gentleman's clubs" cater to certain types of people. For the workers AND the patrons, everyone knows the score and is going in with that knowledge.

It's kind of like abortion, don't like them, don't have one. Don't like Hooters or strip clubs or such, don't patronize them. Other than that it is really none of your business.

[October]

302. Exactly. The woman didn't like Hooters and wouldn't go there

Why should she be questioned?

People make derogatory remarks about McDonald's, too.

Hooters is just not for most women -- WHY would a guy think otherwise?

I'm not offended by beautiful women dressed provocatively, but it's not my thing to purposely go somewhere to be surrounded by them anymore than most (straight) guys would want to go to a restaurant (with or without family) where the waiters wore tight shorts/jeans and no shirts.

[quaker bill]

280. Personally, I don't go there

But having spent many years working my way through college in restaurants of nearly every sort but fast food, young pretty women being a bit provocative / flirty for better tips is nothing new. Some manage it very well and do make a good bit more money than the others who don't. Drink servers most anywhere practice this regularly. I would bet drink servers in most better establishments do even better than a Hooter's waitress.

[NuttyFluffers]

285. ok burgers, pretty good wings, a bit pricey. i like Red Robin better.

you pay for the eye candy, i guess. however i harbor no grudge paying extra for the "service." but modern fashion sense nowadays gives you the same result most places you go, methinks. overall just not my thing -- but i'm cheap. then again, i'm not one to patronize princess cafes that often either (the ones where you dress up, not maid cafes where you are served).

[PassingFair]

286. Men who frequent these establishments = biologically BAD choice for a mate.

Willingness to pay for extra-marital (or extra-relationship)
sexual stimulation indicates an individual with a high probability
of infidelity.

If a guy is willing to pay to ogle women, it's a pretty
good indicator of an indiscriminate desire to impregnate
someone.

That spells NO for a female who doesn't want her children
to have to compete for resources with other women's children.

Biology 101.


Single guys get a pass here, but really, does ANYONE
think it would be a good idea to take a woman to Hooters
on a date?

[msanthrope]

287. Men who frequent Hooters are lowlifes and losers too cheap to go to a strip club.

Is there a person on this board who would want their daughter to date a gentleman who professed that 'Hooters' was his favorite restaurant?

[Marrah_G]

290. Not my thing, but I don't care if others like it.

[BlueIris]

296. Lame. The concept, the business, the customers. nt

[Canuckistanian]

297. I think they're sluts

Nothing but sex on their minds. And wearing those tight jeans and short shirts so they show their buttcracks.

Do they have no pride? Do they ever hope to settle down and raise a family?

Call me old fashioned, but a guy is meant to earn a living for his family and to fix the lawnmower and unclog toilets and stuff.

I blame the Internet for giving them "ideas".

[salin]

299. Never gone in one - and wouldn't. It's a gag with coworkers

the guys say "they have great wings - I go for the wings" and the women laugh (in a mocking way) about the reputation of the *fabulous* gourmet cooking for which the chain is known *insert big eye-roll*.

Clearly the chain isn't going anywhere. We have to live with it. However, I would never go. Being there as a female would suggest that I am down with the objectification of women. I've waited tables, I have also worked a bar. Even without a provocative costume I had to endure a lot of sexual comments as a condition of earning my wage. Not going to support a business that is built around such an environment. I can't stop others from doing so - and don't judge - but *do* mock. *Sure its the great chicken wings*. First Amendment rights and all.

[October]

301. And you're surprised?

Well... ok.

Girls don't tend to run to restaurants or bars where the female waitresses or bartenders are hanging out of their clothes. I mean, it might be fun for some and for some lesbians -- but WHY would anyone think women would go there?

[iris27]

306. Speaking as a bi woman, I can't imagine there are many lesbians who go there, either.

Given the law of large numbers, I suppose there must be some, but for me the creepiness factor ABSOLUTELY wins out over the nice curves on display. There are plenty of other ways to appreciate attractive women that don't leave me feeling like a tool in the oppression of my own gender.

[October]

309. Thanks for adding to the discussion

I didn't want to post a blanket statement about all women...

[readmoreoften]

303. Not just offensive to straight women. So many reasons gay & lesbian folks like myself won't go.

1) Fluorescent orange? Really. It's not hot. Ever.
2) If you want to be sexual, be sexual. Watching teens bopping around in tops that are required to hide nipples isn't "dirty", it's a creepy mix between Puritan and dirty old man. In other words, it's like the rest of American culture.
3) Fluorescent orange on women + flannel on men + beer = hunting trip without all the nature = makes us feel like a deer in the headlights of a pick-up truck.

Get your food at a place with good food and then go have dirty sex with someone. Really, what's wrong with you! Straight folks are so bizarre sometimes!

[WillyT]

308. Hooters... If You've Seen One...

you've seen 'em both.

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