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Tue Dec-28-10 04:10 PM
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RE: Michael Vick. Um, didn't we beat him up enough when he was first busted? |
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Don't get me wrong, he deserved a good beating.
But he got one. Served his time. Paid for his transgressions.
Yes, I know what he did was despicable, but he isn't doing it now (that we know of) so why do we continue the beatings?
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Tue Dec-28-10 04:12 PM
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1. yeah, he got a good beat down in DU |
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Tue Dec-28-10 04:13 PM
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2. with all due respect, Taverner... |
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snd no offense intended, but this is getting really old.
Can we talk about the weather or your Christmas vacation, your New Years' plans, how ridiculous your a)neighbor; b) inlaws; c)boss; d)spouse, SO, or other love interest; (pick one) might be?
Please? ;)
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Tue Dec-28-10 04:14 PM
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3. Sure. How do you crack an egg without breaking the yolk? |
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Tue Dec-28-10 04:16 PM
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5. well, I used to pass it off to my Mom to do it... |
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But there's your answer. Ask someone with such talent to do so. LOL
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Tue Dec-28-10 04:16 PM
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4. 'Cause I could pass that football |
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Look at me now Four years of college Famous professors Tutoring me
Scholarship kid Everything paid for Food and vacations All of it free
Day that I left Everyone gathered Their cheering still rings in my ears
Ray Wreck rah Rah Wreck Ray Rah Wreck Wreck rah Rah Wreck, Wreck Wreck, we love you
'Cause I could pass that football Like nothin' you have ever seen
Couldn't spell a lick Couldn't do arithmetic One and one made three Thought that dog was C A T
But I could pass that football Like nothin' you have ever seen
Couldn't write my name Couldn't translate 'je vous aime' Never learned to read Mother Goose or Andre Gide
But I could pass that football Like nothin' you have ever seen
Couldn't figure riddles Puzzles made me pout Where the hell was Moses When the lights went out?
I couldn't even tell red from green Get those verbs through my bean But I was buddies with the dean Like nothin' you have ever seen
Passed without a fuss English Lit. and Calculus Never had to cram Even passed the bar exam
'Cause I passed that football Like nothin' you have ever seen
Couldn't dance for beans Mashed my girls to smithereens Sometimes blood was spilled Still my card was always filled
'Cause I could pass that football Like nothin' you have ever seen
Then there was the week Albert Einstein came to speak 'Relativity' Guess who introduced him? Me
'Cause I could pass that football Like nothin' you have ever seen
Had no table manners Used to dunk my roll Always drunk the water from the fingerbowl
Though I would not get up for any she The prexy's Mom, age ninety-three Got up and gave her seat to me Like nothin' you did ever see
In our hall of fame There's a statue with my name There we stand, by heck Lincoln, Washington and Wreck
'Cause I could pass that football Like nothin' you have ever, ever seen
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Tue Dec-28-10 05:51 PM
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24. Is that what this is? Resentment of rich football players? |
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Tue Dec-28-10 04:17 PM
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Tue Dec-28-10 04:19 PM
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7. Because people insist on elevating him |
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into some paragon of rehabilitation because he can throw a football. There's a difference between giving convicts a second chance and singling a dubious one out for a slap on the back from the damn White House.
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Tue Dec-28-10 04:19 PM
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8. The liberal ideals of rehabilitation and redemption do not apply to Vick |
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according to many DUers. As far as I am concerned he served his time and paid his debt to society and is free to earn a living in his chosen profession. I don't have to like him, and I don't particularly think he should own a dog, but I don't know why we have a constant flow of Vick threads where some DUers seem to take great delight in posting those horrible pictures of mutilated dogs.
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Tue Dec-28-10 04:20 PM
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9. The beatings will continue untile morale improves |
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Tue Dec-28-10 04:21 PM
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Some people like animals better than humans, for a variety of reasons that can't be said because of rules against being that candid.
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Tue Dec-28-10 04:31 PM
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15. Well, I certainly like my dogs more than I like Vick. |
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Tue Dec-28-10 06:03 PM
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27. I mentioned the REASONS one would like dogs better than humans. |
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I never suggested that some humans don't value dogs over humans. I think everyone can agree that is true.
There are a multitude of reasons why a person would prefer animal interactions over human interactions, but the most obvious reason is inability to relate well to other humans. Many humans cannot relate well to other humans, and find interacting with animals preferable to interacting with other humans. I'm sure you must have known someone who fell into that category.
Your devotion to your dog over some guy you don't know or like is not surprising.
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Wed Dec-29-10 05:10 AM
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32. "Many humans cannot relate well to other humans, and find interacting with animals preferable.... |
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...to interacting with other humans."
Maybe you should get a dog.
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Wed Dec-29-10 01:36 PM
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36. My statement is factually accurate. |
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Wed Dec-29-10 07:57 AM
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35. it has nothing to do with not relating well to humans |
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it's the realization that humans are the most nasty, despicable, disgusting, selfish, greedy creatures on the planet and appreciating the honesty and affection of fellow creatures who stand head, shoulders and torso above us humans in integrity, honesty and forgiveness and without the slightest hint of the superiority complex that humans indulge in and are the least deserving of.
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Wed Dec-29-10 01:37 PM
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37. Ha! Thanks for the laugh. |
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Tue Dec-28-10 04:23 PM
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11. vick doesn't care if you think it's all cool now or not. |
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he. doesn't. give. a. damn.
he only cares that he got caught.
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Tue Dec-28-10 05:03 PM
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20. I don't care much about him either |
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But Another poster here was right when they said this was an underhanded way of slamming Obama
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Tue Dec-28-10 04:23 PM
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12. You really think this new rash of "beatings," |
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many of which are from people who couldn't be found condemning Vick in the past few weeks, but only now are finding their inner Ingrid Newkirk after Obama's phone call, has anything to do with Vick?
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Tue Dec-28-10 05:53 PM
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Tue Dec-28-10 04:23 PM
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13. The dogs Vick murdered don't get to play catch with a football. |
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Fuck Michael Vick and the Eagles and the NFL.
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Tue Dec-28-10 04:28 PM
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this guy is being held up a role model?
he's a thug
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Wed Dec-29-10 05:55 AM
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Tue Dec-28-10 04:38 PM
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16. It's never enough, man. (n/t) |
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Tue Dec-28-10 04:46 PM
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18. I was gonna pm you...but since you're here.... |
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I was thinking last night and I get what you're saying about kids choosing who will be their role models. And I do agree. However I still maintain that I can choose to live as I please without having to worry about being someone's role model. Sometimes kids pick the wrong people to emulate--like drug dealers--and this goes back to my original point as well PARENTS have to be vigilant and teach their children what's right and wrong.
So I rescind my second "shove it" remark. :blush:
Cool?
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Tue Dec-28-10 10:06 PM
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30. Very cool. No problemo. |
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Tue Dec-28-10 04:38 PM
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17. This outrage has more to do with.. |
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with slamming the President than Michael Vick. The weirdest story of the morning is President Obama's call to Jeffrey Lurie, the owner of the NFL Eagles. Two things apparently happened during the call: Obama praised the team for giving Michael Vick a second chance, and then he asked some questions about the Eagles' plans to use alternative-energy sources to power the stadium. Now the White House is spinning the call as the sort of everyday inquiry the president makes into eco-friendly architecture. "The president did place a call to Mr. Lurie to discuss plans for the use of alternative energy at Lincoln Financial Field, during which they spoke about that and other issues," Bill Burton told Mike Allen.
That explanation makes a lot less sense than the one Lurie himself offered, which was that Obama is "passionate" about the fact that "it's never a level playing field for prisoners when they get out of jail. And he was happy that we did something on such a national stage that showed our faith in giving someone a second chance after such a major downfall.''
Patting Lurie on the back for playing Vick might give the White House communications shop some headaches, but it's also worth doing: About one in 100 Americans are currently behind bars, and more were behind bars at some other point in time. And as this Pew report (pdf) shows in grim detail, the punishment doesn't stop when convicts leave prison: "Serving time reduces hourly wages for men by approximately 11 percent, annual employment by 9 weeks and annual earnings by 40 percent." And those numbers hide a serious racial tilt: "Incarceration depresses the total earnings of white males by 2 percent, of Hispanic males by 6 percent, and of black males by 9 percent."
Then there's the downstream effects on children and families ("Even in the year after the father is released, family income remains 15 percent lower than it was the year before incarceration"), and on cities with a high population of ex-convicts, and so on. As you might expect, the recession is making all this even worse.*snip* http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/12/why_obama_weighed_in_on_behalf.html
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Tue Dec-28-10 05:02 PM
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19. Meh. What a non-story |
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Tue Dec-28-10 05:03 PM
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21. It is because dog fighting is ugly, and it finally has a face. |
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Dog fighting is one of the ugliest things in the world, and very few people faced it before a celebrity was exposed as being involved in it.
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Tue Dec-28-10 05:03 PM
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Tue Dec-28-10 05:13 PM
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23. Stop And Shut Up For A Moment |
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Listen to what you're saying. Man did the crime and did his time. You want to continue the punishment? How is he suppose to make a living. Stretch that out to other felons who have done their time and can't find decent or even any employment. Our prejudices prevent people from making a decent living so what happens, they return to crime.
I'm not a sports fan and don't watch any sports except maybe the Super Bowl. I love dogs and think what this man did sucks. Yet, he paid his dues.
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Tue Dec-28-10 05:55 PM
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26. Huh? I'm arguing the same side as you and I have to shut up? |
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Tue Dec-28-10 07:43 PM
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29. My Comment Wasn't For You |
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It was for the majority slamming Vick.
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Tue Dec-28-10 06:10 PM
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28. Someone said it best--old testament liberals vs. new |
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testament liberals. The former group tends to be almost fundie-like in their fury when they feel betrayed.
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Wed Dec-29-10 04:39 PM
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41. Thanks for the broad brush, but many of us aren't Judeo-Christian. |
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But when all you have is a hammer, I guess everything looks like a nail. :shrug:
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Wed Dec-29-10 01:38 PM
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38. The Vikings don't think so. |
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Wed Dec-29-10 04:47 PM
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43. The animals he tortured are still suffering... |
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Too bad they didn't get the memo.
Why do we continue the beatings, you ask? Because this kind of atrocity doesn't just magically go away... this kind of mental sickness doesn't either. When I think of Vick, I think of the dead animals... and I think of those who still live in a disfigured and painful body. They will never have a normal life.
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