Wisconsin Recount Laws- Candidate Must Petition Court for Real Hand Recount

[liberal life]

Voting System Used:

Mixed paper ballot and DREs with VVPAT

Mix of recount and retabulation
Counting method chosen by initiator

Recount initiators may petition the court for a recount to be conducted by hand, though the law specifies that the burden of proof is on the petitioner to demonstrate why a hand count should be enforced. Otherwise, the default counting method is the same as that used in the initial canvass: paper ballots are counted by hand; optical scan ballots are retabulated on an automatic tabulator; and for votes cast on direct-recording electronic machines (DREs), the voter-verified paper audit trail (VVPAT) is detached and counted by hand. See pages 7-13 of Wisconsin's Election Recount Procedures Manual for a full description of counting methods: http://elections.state.wi.us/docview.asp?docid=2127&locid=47.

http://ceimn.org/ceimn-state-recount-laws-searchable-database/states/Wisconsin

[liberal life]

1. more

• Once the canvassing is completed, and if there's a recount, the Wisconsin system is NOT a hand recount, like Minnesota's system. Instead, local officials put the paper ballots back through the voting machines.

(Some precincts still use hand-written paper ballots, and those are counted by humans.)

But running ballots through machines is good for whoever is ahead after the canvass.

That's because of Basic Recount Theory 101: The winner of an election wants a recount to replicate the method of counting on Election Night. If you're ahead, don't fudge with the counting system. Voting machines are pretty darn accurate.

http://www.minnpost.com/stories/2011/04/07/27280/another_upper_midwest_recount_wisconsin_though_uses_very_different_procedures_from_minnesotas

[dkf]

3. Surely that is good enough?

As long as that not so bright woman isn't adding the votes together I think it should be okay.

[liberal life]

6. I think they were using the central tabulators to steal the election all night

When they still didn't succeed, the pulled these votes out of their asses but now this is what everyone is focusing on.

The entire state needs to be hand counted. Now is the perfect time to expose these faulty elections.

[dkf]

8. How would they have done that?

Like every sixth vote for the Dem turned into a republican vote?

[shraby]

12. That's what I'm thinking. It would take many from the red

precincts being moved from K to P, but the turnout was higher than they thought it would be and they didn't move enough. Brookfield was held back for such contingencies to help avert a recount.

[pnwmom]

9. Here in Washington where the vote for Governor was very close

a machine recount brought the Democrat closer to winning, but the Rethug was still ahead. As I recall, it was then a spread of less than 100 votes.

It was the second recount, the hand recount, in which every single ballot was examined by a team of three people, that put the Democrat in office.

The Rethugs screamed bloody murder about that hand recount, insisting that machines are more accurate, LOL. But the machine recount just duplicated some of the problems of the first time around -- like ballots that were stuck together.

Canada does it right, having all ballots counted by hand.

[dkf]

11. 100 votes is one thing, 7,000 another.

I think mostly i want to know the 7000 isn't pulled out of anyone's butt.

[pnwmom]

13. Maybe that 7,000 was pulled out of someone's butt.

This OP by an IT guy points out that Access, the program she used, has an auto-save feature. So is she lying when she said that her computer didn't save the data?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=842014&mesg_id=842014

[midnight]

2. The Government Accountability Board, which is in charge of overseeing Wisconsin's elections,

will review Waukesha County's numbers to verify the totals, said agency director Kevin Kennedy.
"We will conduct our own review of issues because we want to make sure that we are tracking every entry she made into our system," Kennedy said. "We're concerned when data is missing from a total. We'd like to make sure there is much better communication between their office and our office."
Kennedy said it was unfortunate the clerk didn't double check the data before releasing it to the press.http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/top/all/7512452.html


I hope a hand count is requested....

[PeaceNikki]

4. He was on WPR just before presser and sounded pissed.

Also, he's not afraid to bust the GOP for shenanigans:
http://uppitywis.org/wi-elect-board-hits-doj-gop-voter-suppression-effort

[progressoid]

5. Shouldn't be too difficult to argue that a recount is necessary considering what transpired today.

[liberal life]

7. yes

and we must expose what they were up to in ALL the counties. If they would overtly cheat right in front of everyone's faces, what did they already get away with behind the scenes? If we don't expose them, they will do it again.

What is the point of the recall election that activists are working so hard for if they are just going to cheat again?

[SoCalDem]

10. Here's a reason for them...

Republicans cheat, and we do not trust them to conduct elections honestly.