NEW Waukesha Vote Conspiracy Theory!

[karnac]

First, let me state for the record i *think* the clerk made an honest mistake. That there are enough competent democrats(and politically loyal) in the office to stop her from significantly effecting an official and binding vote tally.

However, I might start looking at this differently now.

To see where i am coming at, you have to accept the premise that there a small amount of voter fraud done by both sides,generally by well meaning but wrong thinking individuals. Both sides know this and do their best to prevent it by the other side. In the end, elections are generally clean and the problem only really matters during VERY close elections.

If youve noticed, before "Waukesha" small votes were found here and there that were NOT counted earlier. Generally small votes were for the D in D counties, extra R's found in R counties. Almost as IF everybody was keeping their eye on the final tally. nudging here and there. I am SURE that many were honest mistakes, but who can say they were not? nothing large enough to get somebody in trouble. Not accusing, just saying. Perfectly understandable in a very politicly hot election.

And of course one who is in a lopsided(for one side or the other)county with a large population can nudge more. and safely. But NEVER more than you think you have to to win. And pray your election lawyer watchdogs are better than the other side's. But once you say you're done, your done. no more pulling votes from nowhere. Not believable.

Until the Waukesha announcement very late in this little game and dance.

The big *what if* is what if you had 7000 legit votes in your pocket, that you did not show until the other side showed theirs? All you have to do is delay a bit. Til after the time for the other to *compensate* has past.

Sure, you look like a incompetent fool. But the votes are legit. Looking stupid and "correcting" your error is not a crime. Can't call it fraud.

Might be some reward waiting for you too.
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Btw, this was not my original thought/insight/nightmare.. I gleaned this from a couple different conservative blogs i just checked out. They were REALLY congratulating themselves over it.

Shoot this down please.

[Ellipsis]

1. I would hope, at the very least, they not rush to certify the votes . There three days.

We are less one day.

Bottom line? Waukesha County is on the hoof for the cost of recount. they are ultimately the responsible party, it falls on them.

They'll have to spend every penny now to make everyone happy.

It will be a popcorn moment.

[karnac]

2. My understanding is the recount is statewide

And there WILL be one, free or not. 20k is peanuts.

[Ellipsis]

5. I'm not worried about that.

It will all be hand counted too.

I think that's part of the rule.


I heard there were DRE's involved and I'm curious to know if there were more then just some DRE's for special needs folks.


If there were DRE's that complicates things in huge way... Opscans not so much.

If she was taking the database home The sky's the limit. ALL that needs to be forensically analyzed. If the judge wants it.


That won't be cheap.


Courts, that won't be cheap.

[me b zola]

3. Did you know that she made that same "honest mistake" before

...and was reprimanded for it?

[karnac]

4. I vaguely remember something like in 2005

got a link?

One thing about bouts of incompetence, once you show it even once, it becomes believable and expected.

My sisters never let me forget!!!

[ret5hd]

6. But why? If you got 7000 legit votes, are you gonna keep 'em in your pocket...

till next election if you don't need them on this one???

If you got 7000 votes you use them. There is absolutely no purpose in holding them back.

[reformist2]

9. Not if you suspect precinct reporting fraud on both sides is going to drive the numbers to 50/50.

[ret5hd]

14. Really? Explain why. If you have legit votes, what else are you gonna do with them?

In EVERY scenario, you are gonna use them. You can't save them till next time. You're gonna use them.

[Junkdrawer]

10. +1000

[onethatcares]

7. thank gaud for folks like Katherine Harris

she really moved up a notch or six after her debut.

What if? Since 1999 I've been wondering "What if".

edited because once I got to thinking about moxie and spunk, I misspelled her first name.

[reformist2]

8. +1000 I thought the same thing myself, no kidding.

That doesn't make it true of course, but it certainly would be a clever way of outsmarting the fraudsters out there, on both sides.

Going forward, though, we need to have a frank conversation about vote fraud, which is probably more widespread than anybody wants to admit.

[ecstatic]

11. The voters should have removed Niklaus long ago... her shady past

puts a taint on everything she does (right or wrong). Fox, hen house,etc.

[PeaceNikki]

12. It was 14k, not 7k. A whole city.

As was stated elsewhere on DU: If this asshole wanted to throw the election to Prosser, this is about the stupidest way she could have done it. Anyone with access to city vote totals and a calculator would discover it in 5 minutes once the error was announced.

[karnac]

16. Not talking about fraud,but tactically misleading.

At least till the opponent can do nothing about it.

Faking a mistake,taking your time about correcting it. Heck, since you made a mistake, why not double check and then triple check. with your democratic colleagues. adding MORE time before announcing the mistake. waste more time writing a speech about your error.

In fact you WANT the mistake discovered. Just want the time.

If your opponent is 100% honest, no harm done. the results are honest in the end.

If your opponent isn't maybe he will just use pull out that one extra vote out his sleeve instead of two(that he actually needs to win). And you just faked him out.

I still think it was a mistake, but let's be real. Let's not simply assume everybody on both sides is 100% honest. Just mostly honest.

[trumad]

17. Why do you keep repeating the mantra--"both sides"?

[karnac]

18. because it's true

And I've seen it.

about 25 years ago I volunteered to register voters at naturalisation ceremony in San Francisco. There was a Green table, a Republican table and a Democrat table, all providing and taking in completed voter registration forms.

after it was done, the republicans got up and threw something into the trash. I fished it out and it was about 10 torn forms registering democrat. I gave them to my head volunteer and i don't know what she did with them.

while registering we took in about 5 republican registrations.in our pile. our head volunteer put them all in a plain envelope, sealed it without a stamp or address and put it in a mailbox on the way back to the office.

When i questioned her about it, she just smiled.

We can quibble about which was worse and i would agree with you. But i would never agree either side did the right thing.

[trumad]

19. No quibbling

fucking republicans are a 1000 times worse than Dems... No question about it.

[Shrek]

13. Plausible, and depressing if true

This could easily escalate in future elections. In close elections both sides could keep some legitimate votes "in reserve" to counteract any fraudulent nudging.

If it becomes a common practice then election-night results would have no credibility at all.

[iamtechus]

15. It's not "voter fraud". Voters didn't commit the fraud. It is "election fraud".