As far as I can tell, they read TAPES, did not recount paper ballots

[boston bean]

in Waukesha County.

Nicklaus says many times they "read the tapes".

I don't trust tapes that can be manipulated. Let's count ballots please.

[FBaggins]

1. It wasn't a recount

This was just the canvas. It's the first official count. Numbers are phoned in from precincts on election night, but they aren't official. Too many mistakes are made. This one gets the press because it swings an election, but there were dozens of small changes.

[boston bean]

3. I certainly understand that, but people, and some who live in WI

are calling it counting. And that there was a dem overseer there when all that re-counting was taking place.

Well counting what????

TAPES...

Just wanted to make the distinction..

[PeaceNikki]

5. Counting can also be comparing the tape to the totals - which is what happened.

[boston bean]

10. Exactly so why can't you stop trying to have people jump to the conclusion

that these results are probably correct, when there is a possibility, small or large, that there could be corruption.

Just because some elderely democratic volunteer or paid worker said that is what the tapes said.

We all know that is where the problem lies much of the time. The manipulation of data.

Now, it could be that Prosser has won, but you don't know that. And I don't intend to jump to any conclusion until there is hand re-counting of the ballot.

[PeaceNikki]

14. To clarify, that "elderely democratic volunteer" is a lawyer, lifelong Democrat, former union member

and she was selected by the party to be on the Board of Canvass because of her lifelong integrity. If Nickolaus did something improper, we likely can catch her with technology and proper accounting. (Not to mention that Kloppenburg has the best lawyer on the planet.)

[boston bean]

18. I don't give a crap. Ballots were not counted and a tape with all these votes appear.

So yes, it could be an honest mistake.

Yes, it could be corruption.

She is elderly and she read tapes. Tapes that could be corrupted. I don't know and neither do you.

So stop with how great these people are. They might be.

But they might not know shit. Cause they are only seeing what they are being given.

I will wait for a recount, thank you. And I won't be out there telling people how possible it is that there is nothing wrong, cause I know the people.

It doesn't matter if they are you brother and sister. They don't know what they don't know and no one will know until the counting is done, by HAND.

[PeaceNikki]

2. Yes. That's the job the Board of Canvass.

Hand-counting happens during recount, which WILL happen.

[boston bean]

4. Well, why don't we just wait then to hail these results as very possible until

we have recounted the ballots?

And that people are very very honest and there could be no hanky panky cause a dem representative was there.

Well that democrat I assume is very honest, however she only knows what she knows.

You can't see that it could be possibly that there could be hanky panky?

[PeaceNikki]

7. I don't understand your question. "Hailing"?

[boston bean]

8. You are defending a democrat because you know her or know someone

who knows her.

I am sure she is honest as the day is long.

However, she might not know what she could not possibly know.

There is a chance there was some corruption. I would like it ferreted out, not poo pooed!

I don't care if you know wisconsin and all the people there like the back of your hand.

[PeaceNikki]

9. This is *MY* district and I am not "poo-pooing". That clerk is responsible for handling MY vote!

If Nickolaus did something improper, we likely can catch her with technology and proper accounting. (Not to mention that Kloppenburg has the best lawyer on the planet.)

The voters deserve an explanation and we are investigating.

[boston bean]

11. I don't care that it is YOUR district. I don't think you opinion holds

any more weight than mine.

[PeaceNikki]

12. And yours no more than mine. And just WTF do you think my opinion is?

I'll clarify: As was stated elsewhere on DU: If this asshole wanted to throw the election to Prosser, this is about the stupidest way she could have done it. Anyone with access to city vote totals and a calculator would discover it in 5 minutes once the error was announced.

I have been called a troll here because I trust Ramona and my rep. A whole city was (mistakenly? remains to be seen) omitted from county totals. And I seriously don't want to entertain disenfranchising a whole city because a clerk fucked up and I don't like their votes.

The claim is that the City of Brookfield's #'s were not in the #'s given to media (mistakenly omitted from the Access database on her PC). Unofficial #'s. During certification, they caught it yesterday and contacted GAB. Since then, they've been counting and verifying - confirming the gain of 14,314 votes. My county Democratic vice-chair confirmed that the numbers submitted to media did not include Brookfield and that the new #'s (while they suck) appear accurate.

Should it have happened? no
Is the clerk an incompetent asshole? yes
Fraud? Doesn't look that way
Should we keep looking? absofukinglutely
Do I want answers and this asshole clerk held accountable for her incompetence? 100%

[boston bean]

13. I would like ballots counted. And until then, we can do without the

suppositions.

That is all.

You must know there are problems with electronic counting and scanning of ballots?

I would prefer to see things hand counted. This is bigger than you and who you know in WI.

[PeaceNikki]

15. They WILL be. In a recount.

Just like we all want.

[boston bean]

16. Good, then we can do without all your defense of how this is probably correct.

We have something more important to do.

Make sure it's correct.

[PeaceNikki]

17. lol - you're a real peach.

[boston bean]

19. thanks so aren't you. nt

[SidDithers]

20. +1...nt

Sid

[Scuba]

6. +1

[ooglymoogly]

21. Kr so far you have had 50 recs and 50 unrecs my rec brought it to +1

weird what is going on here.

[brooklynite]

22. They haven't recounted ANYTHING...

...because the election was 72 hours ago and they need a final tally before someone files for a recount.