It's a Catch-22, but with a decade of voting peculiarities

[BadgerKid]

having gone by, you'd think a call for verifiable elections would have a lot of support.

[Vincardog]

1. reasonable people would agree: verifiable elections would have a lot of support.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

2. What's the catch with verifiable elections?

:shrug:

[BadgerKid]

6. I assumed the public would have to vote on a Proposition or candidate.

So the Catch-22 I envisioned was, "How do you overhaul a voting system if you have to vote using the compromised equipment?"

Ja?

[demodonkey]

3. It does, but we have to present a united front and be realistic...

...unfortunately some will not accept incremental, realistic improvement and support no reform at all unless it is what they deem "perfect." Unfortunately "perfect" bills rarely (if ever) pass, and "perfect" solutions are rarely (if ever) found.

In the meantime, currently at least 25% of the voters in this nation still have NO paper ballot of any kind and are at the complete mercy of proprietary software on aging and insecure paperless Direct Recording Electronic (DRE) voting machines. With no paper ballot there is nothing -- ever -- to meaningfully audit or recount. And internet voting is rearing its insecure, dangerous and ugly head as the next big moneymaker being promoted by the vendors who are trying to get its nose in the door.

Right now the baseline for reform should be a voter-marked, voter-verified paper ballot for EVERY single vote in every state in the USA. We can then work upward from there in terms of improved counting procedures, auditing, and recounting of votes. But first we need a voter-marked and voter-verified paper ballot. Everywhere.

There are still a great many of us who have never given up and have been working for years on a realistic solution for this. (click link in my sig) We are found in many states and nationally. But we need help and support -- and we would appreciate some (realistic) people joining us.

[BadgerKid]

7. Thanks.

I'll be glad to read up further on this.

[Blue Owl]

4. One. Would. Think.

I'm sure as hell all for it.

[Gregorian]

5. It's the kind of thing that makes me wonder just what the hell is wrong.

I've been thinking the same thing. The moment Bush stole the election, if it were my world, I'd have remodeled the voting process. But it appears little is happening. I think part of the problem is Republicans can't win without cheating. And they comprise enough of the system that the system doesn't change. I don't know. I'm flabbergasted over this. And billion dollar elections. And the lack of true justice. And about a million other ridiculously elementary things.