"Come get me, f-----," said 8 year old before cops took him down with pepper spray

[Liberal_in_LA]

Whoa! now that I'm reading more details on the incident, I understand why pepper spray was used

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Colorado police pepper-spray misbehaving boy, 8

The staff at the Colorado elementary school said no one could calm 8-year-old Aidan Elliott.

He had just thrown a TV and chairs and was now trying to use a cart to bust through a door to an office where teachers had taken some young students for safety.

They called the police.

The officers found him with a foot-long piece of wood trim with a knife-like point in one hand and a cardboard box in the other.

"Come get me, f-----," he said.

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Aidan and his mother went on national talk shows on Wednesday to say using pepper spray on an unruly 8-year-old was too much.



Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/04/06/state/n160713D32.DTL#ixzz1IyfMptHB

[whistler162]

1. Sounds like a smart officer and a lousy mother.

[slackmaster]

12. And an absent father

Just to keep the record complete.

[FreeState]

42. Got a link for that

No father is mentioned in the story, she could be raising him with a father or any other imaginal way.

[slackmaster]

64. Do you have a link to show that he has a functional father?

I haven't seen any mention of one.

[pscot]

15. That's really kind of a cheap shot

at the mom, since you know absolutely nothing about her. Just sayin'.

[whistler162]

17. No that is being generous to the mother!

since the mother decided to display the child to the nation it is a safe analysis that she is really screwed up.

[Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel]

53. But the mother had a storie to sell.

I'll bet she made a lot of money. Weight till Opera get her on her show... like going to Vegas.

[bobbolink]

39. That's what it is all about here now.

[Yo_Mama]

49. Oh yes we do

http://abcnews.go.com/US/aidan-elliot-pepper-sprayed-colorado-elementary-classroom-police/story?id=13307371

"I think there is a problem, but it's with school and Aidan," Mandy Elliot said. "It only happens at school. It doesn't happen at soccer. It doesn't happen at swimming. It doesn't happen with babysitters, with family members."

That was in response to the newscaster's question about the other incidents and whether she thought there was a problem.

Sorry, the mother should not get a pass. The kid obviously has a behavioral problem. He acts like a toddler.

Maybe there's something more behind there, but if the boy doesn't learn to control his temper he's going to end up with a long jail term at best.

The kid committed violent assault.

[proud2BlibKansan]

66. I know enough. She should be charged with neglect.

And I don't care if anyone thinks that's a cheap shot. I'm a lot more concerned about this child's welfare than his mother's feelings.

[Archae]

2. The brat was out of control. Period.

What should the cops have done?
Wait until the brat "killed them a little?"

Used anything he could grab as a weapon?

Just look at the photo of the kid.

I would have had my rear end tanned by both my parents.

Not to mention grounded for life.

[MichiganVote]

7. Yup. Looks like he made it through. Probly get a reality show.

[Boojatta]

16. An idea that could be cheaper than calling in law enforcement ...

Find a large cage or a small closet. Put chocolate into it. Etc.

[11 Bravo]

19. And how do you get the little darling into the cage when he has a spear ...

and if you lay a hand on him you will most likely be sued?

[Boojatta]

38. Point to the chocolate

[xmas74]

81. I've never been a spanker

but that kid would have had his back porch painted red long before this behavior. No way would I have allowed it to go further.

Yes, I would have been very mad about the pepper spray but I would have also made my kid walk up to every single person involved in the incident and personally apologize-and it had better be heartfelt.

The pepper spray was wrong but there is also something wrong with a child who acts the way he does. And the last thing I'd do is air my dirty laundry on national television like the mother.

[anneboleyn]

3. I read about this story, and at first I thought the pepper spray was excessive -- then I read

the particulars of the case. Apparently, he was actively threatening students and teachers with a knife-like object, and the police warned him repeatedly to stop when they arrived. He would not listen, and shouted expletives in reply. They did not want to handle him as they were concerned that this would be worse in terms of potential problems (hurting the boy) than hitting him with the pepper spray. If I remember correctly he has a history of fairly bad behavior.

[Incitatus]

5. Same here

He might think twice about doing that again. Either this kids needs a psychologist or his mother needs some parenting lessons, perhaps both.

[Drahthaardogs]

9. He probably has a psychologist...

who wants to talk about his "feelings". He needs structure, discipline, limits, and consequences.

[nolabear]

18. Know a lot about child psychologists, do you?

I hate posts that begin with "probably" and go on to assume something without a shred of evidence.

Yep, I am one. Or was; I work with adults now. Did I talk about feelings? Damn Skippy I did. I also helped parents and children with...lessee...discipline, limits, structure, and a host of other things including how to cope with judgments from people who assume things about their troubled children from a safe, smug distance.

I feel bad for this kid. I have no idea what his problem is. I wouldn't assume that based on a TV interview I could solve it. But it is a problem, it sounds horrible, and I hope he gets help with it.

[Drahthaardogs]

24. If you want the details of my dealings with child psychologists feel free to PM

[Dappleganger]

30. Oh no, this ought to be good so keep it in the open

so the rest of us can glean from your "wisdom."

[Dappleganger]

29. Oh my god...

do you even know what a child psychologist does? Probably not.

Both my sister and I have personal experiences with child psychologists so your comment is full of BS. BTW, you probably have no clue what his parents or their doctor has done with him so you are just ASSuming.

[Drahthaardogs]

41. Fine. I buried a child because a team of "child psychologists" wanted to talk about her "feelings"

instead of about her drug addiction. She took her own life. I begged them to medicate her, lock her up, whatever, but oh no, it was all about their blasted "talk therapy" which most psychiatrists (the guys with actual M.D.s) think is mostly bullshit. Sorry, psychologists are to mental health what chiropractors are to medicine. I have had enough of you clowns to last me two lifetimes.

[riderinthestorm]

45. While my sister benefitted greatly from a therapist as a teen with big time problems,

I will agree that not all child psychologists are equal.

I am so very sorry for your loss.

[nolabear]

47. I am very, very sorry for what happened to you and your daughter.

No parent should go through that. And that's really all I think is appropriate to say.

[tpsbmam]

48. I'm very sorry you had that experience.

I know many, many great child psychologists and many, many people who've been helped tremendously by child psychologists. Most of the psychologists I know, child and otherwise, don't use just "talk therapy" and "talking about feelings" but use a wide variety of techniques, including hospitalization to keep people safe. And I also know many psychiatrists who do NOT think psychology is bullshit. Instead, they work in very successful partnership with psychologists and social workers.

Again, I'm very sorry for your loss. I can't imagine the hell you went through and the pain you have to live with.

[treestar]

75. Assuming this to be true, you're condemning them all

over the acts of a few.

[cali]

79. you know nothing. sorry about your daughter, but it's clear you know jack shit.

[riderinthestorm]

44. Not all child psychologists are equal. Just saying. nt

[Lucinda]

4. Puts the situation in a different light.

thanks for the info

[Rage for Order]

6. And the worthless mother is still in complete denial

"Mandy Elliott said she wished authorities had chosen to talk him down in the latest incident. She also wanted police to get special training in dealing with children. Aidan has since transferred to another school."


No moron, how about you & the boy's father take a parenting class and figure out a plan to get your little shit under control?

[MichiganVote]

8. 'Talk him down'=give my little darling anything he wants.

[Marr]

50. That's what it sounds like. Mommy's little angel.

[Bonhomme Richard]

10. I'm sorry. If a cop can't subdue an 8 year old without the use

of pepper spray then he shouldn't be a cop. If he actually had a knife would it be OK to shoot him?

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[dsc]

14. they didn't say they couldn't have subdued him without the spray

they said the spray was less bad than the alternative. Frankly, I can see why that might be the case. He is a fairly small kid and the cops are fairly large presumedly. I would rather be sprayed than have a broken arm or leg.

[seabeyond]

27. child jerks one way, stumble happens, he falls on sword.... oh ya, that is a pretty picture. nt

[davidthegnome]

31. Have you ever tried to physically subdue an 8 year old

that is completely out of control, violent - and armed with a sharp pointy object? I haven't, but my girlfriend used to work with children who frequently were out of control and violent - to the extent where they would headbutt full grown adults in the head, jaw, nose - they sent several fully grown adult teachers to the hospital and these kids were pre-teen. One six foot tall security guard had his nose bitten off by a child 6 years old.

There is also great potential for harming the child if you attempt to disarm and subdue while that child is holding a potentially lethal weapon. Those cops had every right to use pepper spray and I think they were correct to do so in this case.

[burrfoot]

57. BIG +1

I spent several years working with kids in a group home, where we used physical restraints when the child was an immediate threat to themselves or someone else.

I'm happy to debate the pros and cons of restraints if anyone has an issue with that; but regardless of what you think of them I will swear up, down, left, and right that it is EXTREMELY difficult to safely restrain a child who is in crisis. They may be 8 years old, 5 foot nothing, and 90 pounds soaking wet; but if you put a child who may literally feel like they are fighting for their life up against one or even two adults who are trying to restrain them using the absolute LEAST amount of force possible; you're going to end up with the adults injured probably 10 times more often than the child. And it's a very fine line- if you're too gentle, the child is actually more likely to hurt you or to get hurt themselves in the process.

For what it's worth- and while I'm not an expert, I do consider myself a well informed and experienced practitioner- I think these cops made absolutely the right move.

Kid has very temporary pain and irritation but no long term injuries. He's not hurt, cops are not hurt, nobody catches a spear in the thigh in the mayhem of a physical restraint.

Best outcome possible given that verbal deescalation had obviously not worked.

[Supply Side Jesus]

84. You are ignorant

to the nature of using force and how events such as those play out. This is not Hollywood, Mel Gibson isn't disarming the kid with stunt coordinators at the ready.

Pepper spray was THE least amount of force. Hands on is considered a higher level, which means a greater chance of injury.

Pepper spray sucks, burns like hell, feels like a sunburn for a few days afterward. It beats accidentally breaking the kid's arm, or accidentally catching the tip of the spear in the cop's neck.

Accidents happen, and that did right. Pepper spray subdued the child WITHOUT injury.

And yes, if a cop is facing a knife that gives the cop authorization for deadly force. more than likely they'll taze a 8 year old for that.
Force is met with force.

[rurallib]

11. I see a rising star in the Republican party

looks like the kid has what it takes.
- hates others
- coddling mommy
- total disrespect for authority

[derby378]

22. Nah, Republicans are really big into authority

As long as they're the authorities, that is.

[Mass]

20. The kid has behavioral disabilities and was in a special class.

May be training teachers and cops who have to intervene in this class would be a start, before blaming the kid for his disabilities.

Sad thread. Really shows how little people understand about these issues, particularly those who blame the mother for bad parenting. May be they are the ones who should take classes to understand disabilities.

[tpsbmam]

52. Where does it say all of that?

Although I do agree with you -- there clearly is a mental health issue here. The cops had been called twice before, but had been able to talk him down those times.

I hope he gets some help. This is a kid headed down a scary path is this isn't dealt with effectively now and in the future.

[proud2BlibKansan]

68. I have taught kids with behavior disorders for 18 years and I DO blame this mother

She has a very sick child and is either too deep into denial or too stupid to understand that her child needs help.

[xmas74]

83. I worked in mental health facilities.

I also think that while the child had some problems the mother also has some blame in this.

Get help, stick to a program. Once they find the right program to address his behaviors it will help, if everyone is working the program.

Everyone talks about the kid, the officers, and the pepper spray. No one here has mentioned the other children. If my child were in that classroom I would have been quite angry and I would have taken legal action immediately.

[treestar]

76. Even with all the education in the world, there are going to be some

bad situation.

[momto3]

21. I cannot bwlieve some of the comments in this thread

8 yeay old boys, even spoiled ones, do not act this way unless there is underlying psychological and emotional problems. My guess is the boy has a psychological problem and the mother probably does not have the knowledge or finances to deal with it. Once again he is written off as a brat and his mom is defined as a bad parent. How about we try a little compassion?

As a parent of a child with a mental disorder, I am horrified by the responses in this thread. I prat that none of you ever have to know the anguish of parenting a disabled child.

[Mass]

26. Thanks. I was feeling very alone. The ki in question is in a special kid

for behavioral issues with an IEP. But it is easier to blame the parent.

[Dappleganger]

35. Neither can I, and why is everyone just assuming the child's problem is being spoiled?

There's probably a host of issues which nobody has a clue about on this forum (esp. since a history of misbehavior was cited). As an aunt to an Aspy who has been accused of bad behavior on multiple occasions (before he was medicated and in therapy), I know that people are quick to judge when they don't know everything. I am not wanting to condemn the mom, either. She is probably doing everything she can to keep it together.

Not all disabilities can be seen...we need to remember this. :hug:

[bobbolink]

58. There is also a large chance that the mother has been to the school many times, has done all they

want (including be available at all times to come get him from school, thereby jeopardizing her job), been everywhere and tried everything to get the assistance that he may need.

People who think the system works and all parents are to blame haven't "been there".

But, judgement is soooo easy, and feels ssoooooo good.

[proud2BlibKansan]

72. Sorry bobolink but I disagree

She claims he only acts this way at school. So she is blaming the school. I've taught for over 3 decades and I can assure you this level of violence is not normal. The school can't get him the psychiatric help he's screaming for.

Good grief, he's admitting he wanted to hurt a cop. That should send chills up every parent's spine.

[MH1]

80. You may be right, but what about the other kids?

There are other kids affected here. We should accommodate disabled kids in regular classrooms as much as possible (I guess; that seems to be the current consensus), but isn't there a line where it becomes too unfair, or even dangerous, to the other kids?

If I was a parent with options, I would not want my kid to attend a school where another kid can go berserk and possibly harm my kid, or at the very least disrupt my kid's education. So the parents with options pull their kids from these classes and what's left is all the kids without options, to just 'deal with it'.

(I don't have kids myself, just trying to think this through)

[proud2BlibKansan]

82. I asked this question on a thread about this kid the other day

Would you want him in class with YOUR child? I know I wouldn't.

[proud2BlibKansan]

70. If you read the article, the mother claims he only acts like this at school

That is bullshit. Kids who rage like this are incapable of turning it on and off.

Even if that was true, his behavior at school is a cry for help.

So yes I am blaming the mother for failing to get help for her child.

[treestar]

77. OK, but have some compassion for say, the rest of the class

And the police, who had to deal with it as best they could.

[inna]

23. pardon me while i puke. disgusting op.

[seabeyond]

25. i was cool with it. any 8 yr old create that weapon and challenge the cops

is an unpredictable and out of control child. for his safety alone, i am ok with pepper spray that can be blinked out of eye.

what bothers me, is the mom reinforcing behavior adn giving the kid show time, reinforcing his behavior and creating him as a victim.

and anyone wonders why the mere 8 yr old is in the position he is in

IF my child were to do anything like that, huge as if because it is so out of the norm, i would be ashamed at my parenting, and tight structure adn control of kid with counseling, and keep it quiet and apologize a lot.

[Mass]

28. I hope you are not a teacher, and definitively not a sped teacher. It is very sad to see you blame

the mother for her child disability.

Of course, if states were not busy destroying schools, they could be dealing with helping these kids, but really who cares. Let's blame the parents.

From another article
http://abcnews.go.com/US/aidan-elliot-pepper-sprayed-colorado-elementary-classroom-police/story?id=13307371
Aidan is in a class for kids with behavior problems

[seabeyond]

33. this has happened in the past. article said NOTHING about disability, jsut that the

kid tends to this problem. do you not think that is a huge ssue that this behavior is normal for him adn we are not hearing about any treatment, problem, concern, other than the cop should have, once again, talked the kid down when he ahd a weapon?

if the mother is not addressing this issue other than blaming the cops and the school adn moving on, when it has happened once, let alone more than once, HELL ya i blame the mother.

[Dappleganger]

37. You just don't know...

I have seen a number of kids who act like this on the outside and it's easy enough to blame the parents, when there are other things going on. Being an aunt to an Aspy has certainly changed my perspective on this.

Sometimes people who are great parents get kids like these in their lives and get the same results as this boy exhibited. It's not always the parents' fault. It's so easy to throw your formula for raising kids at anyone and not know what is going on.

BTW, my Aspy nephew is doing great and hopefully he will be back in regular public school next year. He is nearly 14 and it has taken 6 years to get to this point. SIX YEARS with the most patient parents you could imagine.

[seabeyond]

43. i do too, have a "special" child, lol that challenges us all. that is not what i am saying

as a parent, with a child of history with out of control, and this mom knows better than anyone else, pepper spray is ok with me. he has a weapon. a sharp weapon. a weapon that can hurt him. the pepper spray, blink out. the weapon? would scare the shit out of me. his unpredictability, stumble and fall on weapon. i would be thanking the cop for getting the weapon without my child being hurt, or anyone else.

i would not be on their ass.

from the first comment, i said this is abnormal and the kid should be being treated, however, whatever. there is no mention at all the mom is seeing any oddity in behavior and they are absolutley creating him as victim and blaming cops when it should all be on the kid with a weapon

and what kind of parent takes the kid on tv to share with the world.

[riderinthestorm]

46. This was the third time the police were called to deal with this kid, in this class!

The mom is clearly NOT dealing with it... either very effectively, or at all - especially as her "answer" is to take the kid on national teevee! Would you be comfortable with your Aspy nephew being paraded about on GMA if he acted like this in class??

There is NO evidence this kid is getting any kind of special attention for any kind of "disability". Clearly he needs it but unless you have a link that he actually IS disabled, the cops were probably at their wits end trying to deal with him for the THIRD time.

They can't handle him without a lawsuit. Neither can the teacher. Yet he's free to just wield a weapon, with a desire to "kill"?

[olegramps]

67. I think that the mother's credibility went out the window:

She hauled the unruly kid on TV to make some money instead of working with the teachers to find a solution to why her kid is completely out of control. She has more nerve than a government mule when she tries to blame the cops for his behavior that included violence and using profane language. Just where has he learned this behavior? I feel sorry for the teachers who are defiled daily by the right-wing wackos and have to put up with this crap.

[proud2BlibKansan]

74. +1

[TorchTheWitch]

87. amen to that

I'm disgusted with everything this mother has been saying. Clearly, she has no idea what is wrong with her child, blames the school for his behavior problem and doesn't even recognize that it is HER CHILD that has the problem - not the school. With that, how can anyone believe that she's even bothering to do anything for him such as therapy or anything else or that he even has any kind of disability that isn't HER? From what the kid says himself, he's been spoiled rotten by his mother and has been allowed to do or say whatever he wants... she doesn't discipline him or give him any structure and instead allows HIM to control every situation and even believes the police should have done the same by "asking him what was wrong and talking him down".

And yes, instead of recognizing that the problem is HER CHILD when this is the THIRD time the police have had to have been called to deal with her out of control kid and getting professional help for him and HERSELF, she's taking him on tv to gripe about it! According to her, there's nothing wrong with her little snowflake, it's EVERYONE ELSE.

[proud2BlibKansan]

73. No one here is blaming the mother for the disability

But I blame her for failing to get help for her very sick child.

[treestar]

78. I do think she can be blamed for going on TV with him

As SB said, letting him be the victim. Does not bode well for his future.

[Biker13]

60. seabeyond!

Stop being so sensible!

It kills interesting threads!

Biker's Old Lady

[seabeyond]

63. i really have a hard time understanding a parent mad their kid got peppered when holding a weapon

and possibly seriously injurying self and as important, others.

tasering would be a whole other story.

[nolabear]

32. These are the kinds of specualtions I hate to see on DU.

We know next to nothing about this kid or his family. I do know that shaming is easy and unhelpful and only serves to make the shamer feel superior and disenfranchises the people being shamed. I wouldn't dare say what I would or would not do under this family's circumstances because I don't know their circumstances. I do know that were I consulted I'd do a great deal of neuropsychiatric testing and family counseling and work hard to help them find a way to solve this problem, because this poor child has no idea what is in store for him down the road.

Beating would play no part in my recommendations. I've seen too many people who were beaten and grow up to beat, and there is always another way. Who would want to hit a child when there's another way? Somoene who is afraid, who doesn't believe they can be effective otherwise or someone who doesn't care enough to go to a lot of trouble and must intimidate instead.

[seabeyond]

34. yet they are willing to go on tv, blame the cops and we speculate about the cops

at will and their less than appropriate choice.

[tammywammy]

36. Pepper spray is the least of his problems. That kid needs some fucking help.

Starting with a mom to buck up and stop defending his awful behavior.

[FreeState]

40. Opps

Wrong place

[davidthegnome]

51. I would always advise extreme caution in these cases

Regardless of their age - any human being with a lethal weapon and the intent to use it can hurt you and even kill you if you aren't careful. Don't mistake me, I'm not blaming the child, or the child's mother.

This child has severe disabilities which need to be treated - and that treatment requires money. Fortunately we have a federal mandate that every child must have access to a free and appropriate public education in the least restrictive environment. Unfortunately... these federal mandates are very poorly funded. When I say poorly funded - I mean that a lot of spec ed teachers use their own money to pay for supplies to teach these children. I mean that these class rooms with children who have severe emotional/mental issues are very understaffed. We have many men and women trying to work in classrooms and teach children that they know very well at any moment could flip out for any reason or no reason at all.

There is some amount of restraint training available (I'm not sure on the mandate there) - but in a lot of these spec ed classes there is no real security beyond the teacher and possibly fellow staff. Anything you do you can and will be held liable for - along with the school and possibly the town. If you attempt to disarm and subdue a child and that child is physically harmed in the process, you could lose your job, your home, everything you have. Nonetheless - there are teachers that do this every day even for shitty pay and poor benefits in many cases.

I have heard stories that spook me. Full grown adults bloodied and broken and sent to hospitals, some seriously injured - children much the same, harming themselves and each other.

Now you might be wondering... if some of these kids are so out of control, why not put them in institutions for their own safety and that of others? Why? Because it's almost impossible to do, even in the most severe cases where you can demonstrate over and over again that a particular child is a danger to his or herself and to others. It comes down to funding - and the funding simply ain't there, you really need to raise hell if you want to get the kind of help these children need.

The police did what they thought was best (IMO) and had the least potential to cause lasting harm to the child. Very limited options, every situation like this is fragile and dangerous ground. Funding simply isn't provided to properly treat or educate these children. Funding simply isn't provided to properly equip and train enough staff to deal with these situations. So our Nation's teachers put their lives on the line very frequently in these cases - for which I believe they deserve our admiration and respect.

In this case - the media attention is good (IMO) because it sheds light on a problem that very few people know anything about. The only reason I know anything at all about it is because my girlfriend is a spec ed teacher. And what I know isn't much at all. So regardless of the Mother's reasons for permitting and even seeking publicity, I am glad that she is doing so. We need to start paying more attention to these situations - because these children will grow up. If we do not care for them now... consider the consequences.

[riderinthestorm]

55. A fellow DUer, Snoutport, who is also a sped teacher says the same.

The physical abuse these kids dish out! And teachers, law enforcement, aides etc. are not allowed to touch the kids! It's pretty horrifying. I know people want their kids mainstreamed but - lord! If this case isn't an example of a kid who needs to be yanked out of a regular classroom, then who is? The other kids have to be terrified of him! This is the THIRD time the police have been called on his violent behavior.... No way are any of the kids effectively learning, let alone the teacher trying to teach the rest.

[Biker13]

59. Exactly!

Again I say, it's not PC, but I thank my parents everyday for putting me in private school! I'm sorry, but my education determined the course of my entire life, and I'm just happy I had the opportunity to get the best.

There is no reason a child with these problems to be mainstreamed. Violent kids should be separated and cared for by qualified teachers. We ask enough of our public school teachers, do we want them to deal with this too? It's too much.

I feel sorry for the teacher...she must feel horrible!

Biker's Old Lady

[Supply Side Jesus]

85. +1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

well put

[tomm2thumbs]

54. youtube clip - ABC interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTFO-xZ7pyc

[L0oniX]

56. If they can pepper spray a squirrel they can spray anyone.

[Puregonzo1188]

61. So what? How does that justify a grown man using pepper spray on an 8 year old?

[underseasurveyor]

62. That was exactly how my stepson behaved when he was that age.

Finally one day not only was I called to come pick him up, AGAIN, from school but the cops were also called since the little darling was throwing chairs and books, ripping things off of walls, he was on a rampage and when the teacher finally got ahold of him he bit her arm so hard she was sent to the doctor because she was bleeding kinda bad. Poor lady I couldn't apologize enough to her I felt so bad.

So the cop and I wink/winked at each other and told this second grader he was going to jail hoping that would scare him. Nope not at all. This really nice cop was going to put those zip-tie things on since handcuffs were too small and this kid fought this cop tooth and nail calling him every foul thing in the world. By the time the cop got him to the car, he was huffing and puffing and looking at me like, holy crap, this kid managed to get out of the restraints so rather than try again he put him on the back of the police car which was another feat. In the back seat this kid was kicking windows and the cage all the while yelling and screaming obscenities at both of us.

Since this was before most people had cell phones I told the poor cop I'd go to the job site where his father was and we'd meet them back at the pd. I was thinking that finally the father would have to acknowledge this kids behaviour and now he'll have to open his eyes.

After all this basically all this kids dad had to say was, oh not MY poor boy, he wouldn't do this and if he did then someone made him mad so it's their fault. Even after all the evidence and everything else, AND the kid was like this in the first grade too although this outburst was the worst but it had been escalading for a year, the father always coddled this kids behaviour. Oh no not MY son.

It was truly sickening. Now this child is an adult that is a druggie, a girlfriend beater and a deadbeat dad. Nice eh.

[proud2BlibKansan]

65. This kid is sick and his mother should be charged with neglect

Neglecting to get medical help for your child is against the law.

[Fire1]

69. Get ready lady. He's only just begun. Good luck. n/t

[Taitertots]

71. It is all their fault and never the child's or her own

She should be embarrassed that her child was such an asshole and needed to be pepper sprayed. Not parading him around like he did nothing wrong.

Just build him a jail cell right now, because he is going to be needing it when he grows up. That is if the police don't shot him in the face next time he threatens people with weapons. Maybe getting pepper sprayed would have been the wake up call if Mommy wasn't screwing him up in the head.

[pipi_k]

86. Kind of disturbing that there are some here

who would have spanked the kid, or (rather happily, IMO) have said if they had behaved that way they would have been spanked by their parents.

I have a niece who, when she was a toddler and for some time after, had the most horrible temper tantrums.

One time my mom was babysitting her and she bit my mom.

So my mom did what any respectable adult would do...she bit back.


A year or two later, my niece was given all sorts of medical tests and it was discovered she actually had something wrong with her brain. She was put on medication and ALL tantrums stopped. Just like that.

I always wondered if my mom was ever sorry for biting a kid who really couldn't help acting the way she did.

Same thing here with this kid.

Yes, I did say the other day that I didn't blame the cops for using pepper spray to get him under control.

But using spanking on a kid who may have an actual physical cause for his actions?

Disgusting.