Who won the budget negotiations? (just what occured this week)

[Liberal_in_LA]

[Buzz Clik]

1. No budget quite yet, but...

I'd go for "tie"

[Liberal_in_LA]

2. just the negotiations of this week. I changed title

[Buzz Clik]

4. Piddle. I'll change my post, but my vote is cast.

I'd vote for a tie.

[ProSense]

3. Clearly

the Republicans won

Democrats are licking their wounds.

[Ohio Joe]

5. Other

I think I want to know details before I can say.

[creon]

6. Elections have consequences

People voted for the GOP; people voted for gridlock and divided government.
This sort of thing is the result when people vote for Republicans.

No one "won".

[labor4ever]

7. Should add an option to the poll - Our Corporate Friends

What I see is a transfer of wealth from we the people, to the rich, in order to pay for their tax cuts, and plundering of our treasury with repeated, ongoing, massive financial fraud, and multiple, fruitless and futile unholy wars for oil.

[SidDithers]

11. Welcome to DU...

:hi:

Sid

[labor4ever]

13. Thank you SidDithers

:hi:

[Shiver]

8. Nobody won.

The left is unhappy, the right is unhappy.

Let me rephrase that. Some people are happy - those who work for the government, the military, and anyone who relies on government services. All would have been screwed if there was a shutdown.

[TheKentuckian]

9. The Reich Wing, the wealthy, and the corporations.

[slackmaster]

10. Career politicians of all stripes managed to deflect blame from themselves temporarily

:argh:

[pampango]

12. Tea Party members Michele Bachmann, Rand Paul blast budget deal as John Boehner claims victory

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/04/09/2011-04-09_tea_party_members_michele_bachmann_rand_paul_blast_budget_deal_as_john_boehner_c.html

Tea Party darling Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) called the $39-billion slashing deal a "disappointment."

Millions of Americans expected $100 billion in cuts and "wanted to make sure their tax dollars stopped flowing to the nation's largest abortion provider, and who wanted us to defund ObamaCare," Bachmann said in a statement. "Instead, we've been asked to settle for $39 billion in cuts, even as we continue to fund Planned Parenthood and the implementation of ObamaCare.'

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky) echoed Bachmann's sentiments.The stopgap measure does "not set us on a path to fixing the spending and debt problems our country is facing. There is not much of a difference between a $1.5 trillion deficit and a $1.6 trillion deficit-both will lead us to a debt crisis that we may not recover from," said Rand.

The $39 billion in cuts for the rest of the fiscal year was far more than Democrats originally wanted to concede, but not nearly enough to satisfy the appetite for budget-slashing among Tea-Party backed Republicans, who had called for axing $61 billion. The deal spared Planned Parenthood and environmental regulation riders the GOP had been pushing for.

[alfredo]

14. by forcing Boehner to give on the social issues, a wedge has

been driven between the tea party and the GOP establishment. The tea party is a social conservative caucus pretending to be economic. We are building a narrative of the tea party and their relationship to the GOP.

Boehner had little choice but to give on the social issues. If he hadn't it would have appeared that he was controlled by the Tea Party. That would have played into the narrative we were building. Now the Tea Party sees Boehner as weak.

Now Boehner will have to prove himself because of his compromise. He will have to stonewall everything or the tea party will become even more disaffected. they will push for Boehner to be replaced with a right wing extremist that agrees with their agenda. The ensuing fight will further weaken the party. It has to happen. The GOP has to decide who they are.


We need to push the GOP even further to the right. If we can do that our prospects to regain control of the house is further enhanced.

[Zorra]

15. The Tea Party did their job, They won more concessions from Dems for the pubs. nt

[alfredo]

18. No, they didn't. They wanted the social issues and didn't get them.

What we gave has strengthened our hand as we go forward. We look reasonable, willing to give for "the good of the country." The GOP looks petty by putting social issues into a financial bill, and threatened to shut down the government if they didn't get those social issues.

[former9thward]

19. They got some of them.

Abortion and school vouchers in DC. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-wire/post/sources-budget-deal-includes-dc-abortion-rider-money-for-school-vouchers/2011/04/08/AF3ET24C_blog.html?hpid=z2

[alfredo]

20. that was just garden variety meanness aimed at African Americans.

It won't stand for long, I think we will retake the house in 2012. The Planned Parenthood fight painted them as anti woman. It was so unfair and I can see Obama and the DNC exploiting that and the general overreaching come 2012.


I think Obama and Reid had to give a bit to get what they want: the meltdown of the house Republicans. Boehner's ass is in a sling because he gave in on Planned Parenthood. The teabaggers are not happy with him.

Last week was just a warm up. It's going to get very nasty. If they threaten another shut down, they are toast come 2012.

[treestar]

16. Who "wins" a negotiation?

Ridiculous concept. And I'm sure the Republicans feel they "lost" too.

Only people who expect to get everything they want would do this. I don't know how people can live expecting to get everything they want. Even the vastly rich don't.

[William769]

17. Other.

Tie.