There will come a time...

[kentuck]

when you will not be able to compromise. You will have to take a stand.

When your opponent says "I am going to destroy you, your family, and everything you believe in and have fought for".

What will you do when that time comes? There will be no room for compromise. People will be hurt. People will suffer. What will you do then? Where will you hide? How will you feel when you have no choice but to fight back?

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. We need to stand up and fight before we get to that point.

As in NOW.

Recommended.

[OhioChick]

26. Agree 100% n/t

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

2. I've got an emergency bean bag to curl up in.

And a steady supply of smelling salts.

[Little Star]

3. I think that time is here right now. Now....

if only enough others thought the same. k&r

[davidthegnome]

4. It depends...

When you say fight back, do you mean physically or figuratively?

What sort of stand are you talking about, Kentuck? I'm all for peaceful protest and civil disobedience. I'm just not sure what you mean.

[kentuck]

5. I'm talking about whatever it takes to survive...

...and not to be destroyed or killed or have someone slap the holy shit out of you. When do you stop turning the other cheek? If you think what the Republicans are doing is not physical abuse on many people, you are mistaken. There is no "depends". You will have to take a stand. That is what I am talking about.

Sorry for the blunt language.

[Thunderstruck]

6. I know EXACTLY what you're saying. Our enemy must not prevail.

[femrap]

7. People have already died due to the lack of

health care....I want the addresses of the Top 400 Households as listed by Forbes.

[davidthegnome]

8. (Self delete)

I think I misunderstood the point of this OP.

[kentuck]

10. I should hope you can find a better way to fight back...

...than killing.

You have extended the thought further than I had taken it but thanks for your kind remarks.

[inna]

9. it's clear where certain politicians stand and on whose side they're "compromising"

[socialist_n_TN]

11. Yep. We're already at a "Which side are you on?" moment

And there are other steps you can take short of outright and active violence. We owe a LOT of money in mortgages and credit card debt to Wall St. We could try withholding that money for a while. We could withhold labor via wildcat or even general strikes. As another poster stated, we could get a list of addresses of ALL the Fortune 400 capitalists, INCLUDING ALL of their houses worldwide and offices. And just show up one day at ALL those addresses with signs, pitchforks and torches (metaphorically of course).

If you want to go a little further, you could engage in sabotage against the most egregious capitalist businesses. Everybody when they get chance to do so, play Robin Hood and steal from the corporations and give to the poor. RESIST OVERTLY AND COVERTLY UNTIL THEY GET THE MESSAGE.

There's lots you can do short of out and out violence.

[jwirr]

12. Kentuck, I think it will not be will I fight but what the hell side should

I fight on? If the media is as bad as it is now even we on DU are going to be confused. Who is it that is the enemy? Our leaders are having that kind of nightmare in the ME right now as governments are being toppled. It will not be like a election campaign - everyone is going to be claiming that they hold the high ground. Who will be lying? That will be our dilemma.

[kentuck]

15. You have to know which side you are on.

No mattter what the media or the politicians say.

[jwirr]

19. I know but what I am saying is that there are politicians in sheep's

clothing that know how to say the right things to get elected but are the devils. I hold up WI Walker as an example. At no time in his campaign did he talk about his plans to destroy Union. And on our side of the debate we all misunderstood "change that we can believe in". A phrase I still do not know what he meant. Personally my enemies are most corporations, banksters, all rethugs, many churches, the 1% who are hording the money and a whole bunch of voters who support those groups but look pretty much just like me.

[kentuck]

24. That is true.

There are a lot of false prophets out there.

[Initech]

13. Fuck it, I'm done compromising. I'm ready to fight.

[Terra Alta]

14. We need to take to the streets.

Like what happened in Wisconsin but on a much larger scale. In every state and every major city. Let our voices be heard! They can't ignore us all.

[DeSwiss]

16. K&R

[kentuck]

17. Thank you for that quote.

It is so timely.

[DeSwiss]

18. I'd send a copy to the WH......

...if I thought they would get it.

[kentuck]

20. Please do.

They will get it.

[Joyful74]

21. It seems as though many Americans are waiting for the first person to "jump" so to speak.

Countless Americans are all wondering what exactly needs to happen. What exactly do we do? In my opinion some of the reason's there have not been protests across the nation is because of fear of it turning into something violent, fear of "Big Brother" in what is said or typed, laziness, or fear of worse economic hardship. It is either some of this or many Americans are just completely oblivious to what is happening. In this quote from Thomas Jefferson, I am not posting it because I believe in violence but the core of the message is so fitting for this time in our country and why it has gone this far. Just my opinion.
"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure." Thomas Jefferson

[sufrommich]

22. Good Lord, how is that any different the the rhetoric of the

teabaggers? No thanks.

[kentuck]

23. If you can't see the difference...

there is no help for you.

[sufrommich]

27. Sorry, I can't. There is no difference. I've got news for you,the

vast majority of people in this country aren't interested in your call to revolt just because you're not happy with the elected government ,anymore than they're interested in the same call to action from the teabaggers. You don't like the government, convince enough people to vote them out instead of relying on the same silly pipe dream as the freepers do.

[Joyful74]

29. Vote them out in the next election for what?

So more politicians can lie their way into a job. Nobody is calling for revolt. The vast majority of Americans DO want their voices heard though. They have not been heard for quite some time now. Voting in a new group of liars every two and four years is getting this country no where.

[sufrommich]

31. Really? You think most Americans are in favor of choosing

leadership in some way other than elections? I'll have some of what you're smoking.

[Joyful74]

34. You are missing my point.

My point is not that we should not have elections. My point is Americans need to have their voice truly heard that people are sick and tired of the lies, blame, lobbyists, tax loopholes for corporations, being "bought politicians" and everything else that does nothing for the citizens of this country. Then hopefully, if politicians see the people are sick of it, maybe they will do things for the good of the country. Not their corporate buddies. Like I said, it is my opinion but you are sadly mistaken if you think it is not the opinion of MANY Americans.

[sufrommich]

36. Politicians will see people are sick of them when they lose

elections. That's the way it works.

[Joyful74]

39. Very True. What a shame that they are all the same.

Just wearing different hats. We may disagree, but wherever you are, I hope you have a good evening.

[kentuck]

30. We are talking about defending what we have already fought for...

If you are so blind that you cannot see that it is the teabaggers and the Republicans that wish to take our lives from us, then I feel sorry for you. Those that would equate the two are doing a disservice to everyone here and the Democratic Party in general. It's the same blather everytime about "voting them out" if you're not happy and "calls to revolt". It's rather sickening, to be honest.

[sufrommich]

32. The teabaggers think the same about you.They also

believe you're out to kill them and believe they must act first.They're also frustrated that elections don't go their way. Sickening is coming on a democratic board spouting un-democratic nonsense.

[kentuck]

33. So what is your answer to the original post?

What do you do when there is nothing left to compromise?

[sufrommich]

35. You know what? In this country you work to convince people

to vote for your candidate. And if they don't vote for your candidate,you don't insist that elections are worthless because the majority of people didn't agree with you. There is absolutely no great consensus out there that democracy has gone down the shithole,whether that pleases you or not.

[kentuck]

37. Did you read that someplace else?

Or did you just make that up?? Sounds a lot like an exaggerated interpretation. Is there anything you are not willing to compromise upon? That was the question. If not, you are part of the problem. Sorry.

[Joyful74]

25. What do you think we should do then. Continue to sit on our hands?

Nobody is advocating violence, but protests yes. Emailing congressman and signing petitions is getting us nowhere. Seriously, what do you propose. (I am not being a smart ass by the way)

[sufrommich]

28. Who's this "we" you speak of? Democrats? Check out

Obama's poll numbers in regard to how the vast majority of them favor Obama and the democratic party. You don't speak for anyone here but yourself. Protest all you want. Who's stopping you. I think a lot of people here like to pontificate because,frankly, they don't have the numbers to do much else.

[craigmatic]

38. I'm not sure that Obama will recognize that time when it comes. He negotiates by

giving away nearly 90% of what the repubs want just as a starting gesture nearly everytime. Just look at the deep water drilling situation, the tax cuts for the rich, and now this budget battle. How can we trust him not to keep following this pattern?

[kentuck]

40. delete

not relevant to the OP.

[felix_numinous]

41. Solidarity has to be maintained

at all costs. We all need each other now, we all have our differences, but when the chips are down and our Republic is under assault, we need everyone we can get. I say build alliances right now to stand our ground.

[Kablooie]

42. You know, the tea party people say the exact same thing.

Both sides are pulling back and see the other as the embodiment of evil.

The main difference is that our side has logic, history and common sense on it's side.

The odd thing is how weak the effect of those traits are against blindness, idiocy and blatant lies.

- and selfishness.

I think selfishness is the key.

The foundation message of the right is that "you can be selfish and that's good."!
It's a message that has such strong appeal that that it overwhelms all reason and logic.
The fact that it is pushes to enrich the super rich at the expense of your own life is lost in the siren song of 'selfishness is good'.