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ensho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:14 AM Original message |
up to 500,000 people have died because of Chernobyl and counting |
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
1. Looks like the Nuke Barons and BigPharma are joined at the hip. |
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ensho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:23 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. true - they would love more and more cancer clinics |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
3. Kick. Wind is cheaper. |
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ensho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:31 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. and it won't give you cancer |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 11:28 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Unless it is blowing in from Chernobyl. nt |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:20 PM Response to Reply #7 |
48. or Japan. nt |
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Mrs. Ted Nancy (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
5. Article from More magazine |
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ensho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:39 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. interesting, thanks - and lol about the missionaries |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 06:20 AM Response to Reply #6 |
56. Ensho, this is Caldicott on Chernobyl, the NYAS study, and the WHO-IAEA relationship |
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Chris_Texas (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
8. We interrupt this hysteria for a brief reality check... |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Well obviously they didn't do the RIGHT study. |
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Chris_Texas (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Good point. Other things Chernobyl is responsible for... |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:39 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. ROFL!... |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:19 PM Response to Reply #12 |
45. Predictable. |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:19 AM Response to Reply #45 |
64. Yes. Sparkly vampires are predictably hilarious...nt |
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fatbuckel (518 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:42 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Both HM and JB? Yikes! |
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FSogol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #10 |
71. Trig is the best Palin out of the whole bunch. |
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Generic Other (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:53 PM Response to Reply #10 |
110. I heard bird brains are getting smaller in the region around Chernobyl |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:37 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Have you seen this one? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:46 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Not displaying anything for me... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. I think I know just the add-in. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. If you have a safe link to view the content, by all means share. |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I watched it. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 06:51 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Exactly. Down the road, when shit stars showing up, the response is, invariably: |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. I have noscript, too.It assumes ALL websites aren't 'safe', until you allow them. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 07:37 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. I temporarily enabled the sites. Still wouldn't show me anything. |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:19 PM Response to Reply #32 |
46. Crap site? Contempt prior to investigation |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 06:03 AM Response to Reply #46 |
54. If a site doesn't function well, it's a crap site. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:50 AM Response to Reply #54 |
65. Given that assorted liberal outlets, like mother jones, are recommending the Paul Fusco photo essay |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. First, lose the 'tude. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 01:15 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Exactly. "You can't prove this had anything to do with Chernobyl" |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Nope, that's not what I said. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. We don't. And that's the idea. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. "it's pretty hard to prove that they were a result of the nuclear accident" |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 03:40 PM Response to Reply #74 |
86. I think it's very likely that much of this stuff is directly due to Chernobyl. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 07:21 PM Response to Reply #86 |
96. No, what I said was "fun" was getting personally attacked by you |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 03:20 PM Response to Reply #96 |
102. Okay |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:17 PM Response to Reply #14 |
44. Hmmm - It still works for me. |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 06:24 AM Response to Reply #11 |
57. I'll go back and watch this a little later this morning |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #11 |
85. OMG That is so sad... I can't imagine the suffering those children are going through... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. "according to these experts". Right, when cancers show up 10 years later |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. What experts have claimed 500,000 dead from Chernobyl? nt |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. None from the nuclear industry, I'm sure. nt |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I'm asking for specific researchers and/or publications |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 05:52 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Can you compare and contrast the different methods that have been used in these studies? |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 08:18 PM Response to Reply #27 |
36. If someone would actually post some studies to back up their claims, I'd try |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 01:02 AM Response to Reply #36 |
50. And yet you know enough to reject it? |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 02:03 PM Response to Reply #50 |
99. Where in this thread have I rejected it? I haven't, but you already know that |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 06:53 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. I'm sure whoever it is that you're posting propaganda for |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 08:13 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. delete, double post |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 08:13 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. Asking for a source is now propaganda? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:51 AM Response to Reply #35 |
66. No, asking is not the propaganda part. |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 02:10 PM Response to Reply #66 |
100. Since asking is all I have done in this thread |
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Union Scribe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 06:15 PM Response to Reply #29 |
90. Oh bullshit. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Honestly, at this point, I don't give a flying philadelphia fuck what "I look like". |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 08:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
38. You know you wouldn't look like such an |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 08:18 AM Response to Reply #8 |
61. Anti-science ignorance doesn't just exist on the right, clearly. |
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TheMadMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
15. 500,000 to date in the first twenty five years, and only 30,000 to go... |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Caldicott took Monbiot to the woodshed today. She showed him as a gullible fool. |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:46 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. A physician took a journalist to "the woodshed" over nuclear power |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 04:58 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. A physician isn't qualified to know about the health effects of radiation? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 07:03 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. No one who doesn't have a vested financial interest in the nuclear industry |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 08:25 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. Have you found me any supporting studies yet? nt |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #40 |
67. Do you have a vested interest in the nuclear industry, financial or otherwise? |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 02:13 PM Response to Reply #67 |
101. Not unless you consider the dairy industry part of the nuclear industry |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 03:46 PM Response to Reply #67 |
104. Are you now, or have you ever been part of the Communist party? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:50 PM Response to Reply #104 |
109. No. I am not. Nor have I ever been. Nor am I being paid or otherwise incentivized by them to post |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 08:23 PM Response to Reply #26 |
37. Given Ms. Caldicott's history of wildly exaggerated claims, I'd say no |
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peace4ever (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 08:25 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. That is the view of the Nuclear Industry, sure - but who believes what they say any more? |
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TheMadMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:14 PM Response to Reply #26 |
43. NO, a paediatrician is NOT quallified in nuclear medicine. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 07:26 AM Response to Reply #43 |
59. Let's get this straight - |
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TheMadMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:17 AM Response to Reply #59 |
63. From her own CV THESE are her "NUCLEAR QUALIFICATIONS" |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #63 |
76. / victim advocate / expert / ethical system / |
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TheMadMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:25 AM Response to Reply #76 |
98. No if she had OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE of her claims she would... |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 04:53 AM Response to Reply #98 |
112. Actually you do not trust the "greater scientific communty" and your post proves it. |
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TheMadMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 01:26 AM Response to Reply #112 |
117. Even being out by an order of magnitude is not enough hide/lose... |
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peace4ever (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 08:28 PM Response to Reply #21 |
42. thank you for the informative link |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
18. You tree hugging hippies with your pedestrian concerns about "cancer" and "children". |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #18 |
33. 30,000 dead so far from the tsunami...from radiation? 0. |
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peace4ever (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 08:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. radiation can take years to kill, but it just keeps on killing for thousands of years |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:22 PM Response to Reply #33 |
49. Do we learn from our mistakes, or just fatally go to our deaths? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #33 |
68. Life has to go on, but I fear there are a lot of people in the exclusion zone |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:20 PM Response to Reply #18 |
47. I know, right? What softies. |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 01:03 AM Response to Original message |
51. The nuclear "dream" turned out to be humanities biggest nightmare nt |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 01:05 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Yeah, I'm pretty sure hunger is humanity's biggest nightmare. |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:13 AM Response to Reply #52 |
62. Nuclear contamination from Fukushima will reduce agricultural land in Japan by a huge percent |
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Chris_Texas (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 02:24 AM Response to Original message |
53. Here is the world Health Organisation factsheet on chernobyl |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 07:14 AM Response to Reply #53 |
58. What is the relationship of the WHO to the IAEA; what is the mission of the IAEA? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #58 |
77. do you have some citation for the 500K figure? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 02:07 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. You already know what studies put the number high like that. Now what about the IAEA/WHO? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 02:10 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. i don't know anything of the sort. please link me to a citation for that figure. |
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Union Scribe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 06:23 PM Response to Reply #53 |
91. Thank you for a link to actual science |
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Union Scribe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 06:27 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. And here's a conversion tool |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 06:11 AM Response to Original message |
55. wtf? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 07:33 AM Response to Reply #55 |
60. And how about you? What do you make of the IAEA's mission and the legal relationship with WHO |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #60 |
75. *i* don't have anything to do with it. the poster claimed 500K people died from chernobyl. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 01:57 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. And what do you base that judgement upon? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 02:00 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. give me the citation for the 500K figure. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 02:12 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. So your only response is to retreat into a dogmatic dead end of diversion? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 02:23 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. citation? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 06:20 PM Response to Reply #83 |
105. You don't require the reference to answer the question. |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 02:23 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. So there is no source for the 500k? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 03:42 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. In the OP, it says "up to". |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Well i could say up to 1 bagillion people were cured because of nuclear power |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. And that's the whole idea. By the time the damage shows up, no one can "prove" it. |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 07:39 PM Response to Reply #89 |
97. Thanks but not as satisfying as a snickers |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 07:19 PM Response to Reply #87 |
95. give me a source. it says there are" scientists and doctors citing evidence," |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 07:26 PM Response to Reply #95 |
106. You don't require the reference to answer the question. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:52 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. i have no obligation to answer any questions. i didn't write the op. you're |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 04:56 AM Response to Reply #108 |
113. You really can't face reality can you? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. lol. no citation. childish snit = trying to make it about me. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:46 AM Response to Reply #84 |
111. Nikolai Omelyanets, deputy head of the National Commission for Radiation Protection in Ukraine |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
94. Japan: just keeping an eye on the California coast... |
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pscot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
103. Up to means |
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Zax2me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
107. Up to 500K?! |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 05:00 AM Response to Reply #107 |
114. That is a comically obvious attempt to discourage people from reading the material. |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
116. I get so spanked on the forums if I use that figure |
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