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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 07:49 PM
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Libyan Revolution Day 54
Links to sites with updates: http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-12">AJE Live Blog April 12 (today) http://blogs.aljazeera.net/twitter-dashboard">AJE Twitter Dashboard http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/libya">The Guardian http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/">Telegraph http://feb17.info/">feb17.info http://www.livestream.com/libya17feb?utm_source=lsplayer&utm_medium=embed&utm_campaign=footerlinks">Libya Alhurra (live video webcast from Benghazi) http://www.libyafeb17.com/">libyafeb17.com

Twitter links: http://twitter.com/#!/aymanm">Ayman Mohyeldin, with AJE http://twitter.com/#!/bencnn">Ben Wedeman, with CNN http://twitter.com/#!/tripolitanian">tripolitanian, a Libyan from Tripoli http://twitter.com/#!/BaghdadBrian">Brian Conley, reporter in Libya http://twitter.com/#!/freelibyanyouth">FreeLibyanYouth, Libyan advocate http://twitter.com/#!/LibyaFeb17_com">LibyaFeb17.com twitter account http://twitter.com/#!/ChangeInLibya">ChangeInLibya, Libyan advocate

Useful links: http://audioboo.fm/feb17voices">feb17voices http://www.google.com/search?q=time+in+libya">Current time in Libya http://www.islamicfinder.org/cityPrayerNew.php?country=libya">Prayer times in Libya

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x860898">Day 53 here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixwx_B38678">Marching On in Libya, for the revolutionaries!


Rebels stop for a caravan of camels



http://www.npr.org/2011/04/11/135310341/african-union-takes-cease-fire-plan-to-libyan-rebels">Libyan Rebels Reject Cease-Fire Proposal
Libyan rebels rejected a cease-fire deal presented by an African Union delegation Monday because it did not address their demand that Moammar Gadhafi be removed from power.

The African leaders met with members of the opposition's Transitional National Council at a hotel in the eastern city of Benghazi but left without saying a word after talks apparently broke down.

Rebel council head Mustafa Abdel-Jalil, the country's former justice minister, said the initiative "did not respond to the aspirations of the Libyan people" and only involved political reforms.

"The initiative that was presented today, it's time has past," Abdel-Jalil said. "We will not negotiate on the blood of our martyrs."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/11/libya-children-misrata">Libya unrest: thousands of children caught in the crossfire in Misrata
Tens of thousands of children trapped in intense fighting in Misrata are in serious danger amid concern over a humanitarian crisis in the only city in western Libya not under the control of Muammar Gaddafi.

At least 20 children, mostly under the age of 10, have been killed in the besieged city in the past month, according to Unicef, the UN children's agency. Many more have been injured by gunfire or shrapnel from mortars and tank shells.

Thousands of children are caught in the middle of the battle to control the city that has been raging for more than six weeks. Most lack access to sanitation and safe drinking water, Unicef said.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2011-04-12-libyaexecutions12_ST_N.htm">Libyan war crimes suspected
The bound and bullet-riddled bodies of three Libyan rebels were found Sunday dumped near a rebel checkpoint east of Ajdabiya, where the rebels and Gadhafi forces have been involved in battles for days, according to the morgue where the bodies were taken.

...

Ahmed Mefreh of the Geneva-based non-governmental organization Alkarama for Human Rights viewed and photographed two of the bodies at Hawari General Hospital in Benghazi and said he was convinced the men were shot and possibly tortured while their hands were tied. They were found by the roadside a day after intense fighting for control of Adjabiya on Saturday.

Doctors said the bullet wounds on one man's body weren't meant to kill, but to torture.

"When you put a gun to his head, that's execution," said Mohammed Hussain, the head of intensive care. "When you shoot him here and here and here, that's something else. That's torture. They want him to feel the pain."


http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_17819784">Rebel leaders born from lost hopes in Gadhafi son
BENGHAZI, Libya—Not long ago, Moammar Gadhafi's son Seif al-Islam was seen as the sole hope for change in Libya. He talked of greater democracy, human rights and economic development. He attracted technocrats, many Western-educated, to take up positions in the regime, hopeful he meant what he said.

...

Now those technocrats, who gave up on Seif al-Islam's talk of reform, hold many of the top posts in the rebellion seeking to push the Gadhafi family from power.

That makes them staunchly oppose any compromise that would leave any member of the Gadhafi family in power.

"I have never seen such a clear objective shared by everybody, and it's a very simple one," said Ali Said al-Barghathi, secretary of the rebels' National Transitional Council and former head of the Gadhafi regime's foreign aid organization.


http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/killing-captives-points-war-crimes-libyan-government-forces-2011-04-11">Killing of captives points to war crimes by Libyan government forces
Amnesty International has today revealed fresh evidence of extrajudicial executions apparently committed by Colonel Mu'ammar al-Gaddafi's forces near the town of Ajdabiya in recent days.

Amnesty International researchers in eastern Libya yesterday saw the bodies of two opposition fighters who had been shot in the back of the head after their hands had been bound behind their backs.

Today they saw a body of another man who had been shot dead while his hands and feet were bound.

"Based on what our delegates have seen in eastern Libya over the last six weeks, the circumstances of these killings strongly suggest that they were carried out by the forces loyal to Colonel al-Gaddafi," said Malcolm Smart, Amnesty International’s director for the Middle East and North Africa.




http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/02/25/world/middleeast/map-of-how-the-protests-unfolded-in-libya.html">Click here for updated map


Video of the convoy sent to take Benghazi, taken from a dead soliders cell phone (shows how massive the operation was): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwWwOeZqz6M

Sky News went with Gaddafi minders to find a "civilian town bombed" only they were never shown any such thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O5KJavfiQo

TNC presser talking about various details of the revolution (thanks to Waiting for Everyone): http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=730234&mesg_id=731532

Topic on the women of the revolution, dispels myths that they are treated poorly: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x594751

Videos to bring the Libyan Revolution into context:

The Battle of Benghazi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0vChMDuNd0

BBC Panorama on Libya Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyaPnMnpCAA

BBC Panorama on Libya Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMzwQvcx62s

Tea of Freedom Song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD5tu5bJWKc

Latest indiscriminate shelling in Misurata: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wop3C4zrPXI

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x677397">Text of the resolution.

How will a no fly zone work? AJE reports: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWEwehTtK2k

Canada: http://winnipeg.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110317/cf-libya-canada/20110317/?hub=WinnipegHome">Canada to send six CF-18s for Libya 'no-fly' mission Norway: http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFOSN00509220110318">Norway to join military intervention in Libya Belgium: http://www.lesoir.be/actualite/monde/2011-03-18/la-belgique-prete-a-une-operation-militaire-en-libye-828970.php">Belgium ready for a military operation in Libya Qatar and the UAE: http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/776/?SID=e80884adc09a37d26904578a9b5978cb">Run-up for Western world’s next military commitment ... with unusual support Denmark: http://www.cphpost.dk/news/international/89-international/51229-denmark-ready-for-action-against-gaddafi.html">Denmark ready for action against Gaddafi France: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/19/world/africa/19libya.html?src=twrhp">Following U.N. Vote, France Vows Libya Action ‘Soon’ Italy: http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFLDE72G2HE20110317">Italy to make bases available for Libya no-fly zone-source United Kingdom: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12770467">Libya: UK forces prepare after UN no-fly zone vote United States: http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/nations-draw-up-plans-for-no-fly-zone-over-libya-1.2765122">Nations draw up plans for no-fly zone over Libya Jordan: http://www.smh.com.au/world/military-strikes-on-libya-within-hours-20110318-1bzii.html?from=smh_sb">Military strikes on Libya 'within hours' Spain: http://english.cri.cn/6966/2011/03/19/2801s627320.htm">Spain Expected to Join NATO No-fly Zone Enforcement over Libya

"One month ago (Western countries) were sooo nice, so nice like pussycats," Saif says in a contemptuous sing-song tone."Now they want to be really aggressive like tigers. (But) soon they will come back, and cut oil deals, contracts. We know this game." - http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2058389,00.html">Saif Gaddafi


(Yeah, Saif, as if you weren't "cutting oil deals, contracts" with western states. Who are the 'tigers' now? Bombing your own people.)

http://jenkinsear.com/2011/03/19/a-legal-war-the-united-nations-participation-act-and-libya/">A Legal War: The United Nations Participation Act and Libya
The above link is to an overview of why Obama's implementation of the NFZ and R2P is perfectly legal under the law. I will not post it entirely here, however, all objections come down to the misinformed position that Obama, by using forces in Libya, was invoking Article 43 of the United Nations. This is wrong. Obama invoked Article 42, which does not require congressional approval to implement. Proof of this is that Article 43 has http://www.un.org/en/sc/repertoire/actions.shtml#rel5">never been used.

It goes like this: The US law (Title 22, Chap. 7, Subchap. XIV § 287d) grants the President the right to invoke UN Article 42 http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode22/usc_sec_22_00000287---d000-.html">without authorization, the War Powers Act (Title 50, Chap. 33 § 1541) grants the President permission to act without authorization under http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/1541–1548.html">"specific statutory authorization" which, by definition, is what 287d does. § 1543 of the War Powers Act requires the President to report to Congress, http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/obama_explains_libya_mission_to_congress/2011/03/03/ABU9377_blog.html">which he did. One can argue all day and night about the legality of the War Powers Act, doesn't change the fact that under the law as it is written, the President acted within the law.


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-10-0">March 10 7:28pm Saif al Islam Gaddafi says "the time has come for full-scale military action" against Libyan rebels. He goes on to say that Libyan forces loyal to his family "will never surrender, even if western powers intervene".


http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/2011/03/2011328194855872276.html">Libyan Karzai? Chalabi? Forget it
Fortunately, the Council wasn't made-in-the-USA or manufactured by another foreign power. Rather it came into existence, a month ago, at Libyans' own initiative, soon after the winds of revolutionary change blew Libya's way, and after its people rose to the occasion with pride and courage.


http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/03/31/getting_libyas_rebels_wrong">Getting Libya's Rebels Wrong
Don't buy Qaddafi's line: The rebels aren't al Qaeda.


http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2011/04/04/110404taco_talk_anderson#ixzz1HvS7iW22">Who Are the Rebels?
During weeks of reporting in Benghazi and along the chaotic, shifting front line, I’ve spent a great deal of time with these volunteers. The hard core of the fighters has been the shabab—the young people whose protests in mid-February sparked the uprising. They range from street toughs to university students (many in computer science, engineering, or medicine), and have been joined by unemployed hipsters and middle-aged mechanics, merchants, and storekeepers. There is a contingent of workers for foreign companies: oil and maritime engineers, construction supervisors, translators. There are former soldiers, their gunstocks painted red, green, and black—the suddenly ubiquitous colors of the pre-Qaddafi Libyan flag.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/mar/29/vision-democratic-libya-interim-national-council">A vision of a democratic Libya
The interim national council, formed by opposition groups in Libya, has said it will hold free and fair elections and draft a national constitution. Here is its eight-point plan in full.



Mohammed Nabbous, killed by Gaddafi's forces while trying to report on the massacre in Benghazi

"I'm not afraid to die, I'm afraid to lose the battle" -Mohammed Nabbous, a month ago when all this began


I'm struggling to come up with something to say about this man. I was not aware of the Libyan uprising until I saw Mo's first report, begging for help, posted here on DU. I was stricken. Here was a man giving everything he had to explain a situation that clearly terrified him, I would not call him a coward in that moment, but you could see the fear in his eyes, and desperation in his voice. For 30 days Nabbous would spend many hours covering the uprising in Benghazi. For many nights I would go to sleep with the webcast of Benghazi live on my computer screen, looking to it occasionally to be sure it was still 'there.' Mo treated the chat room as if we were his friends, and in some way, we were. I never signed up to LiveStream to thank him for all his work and it seems somewhat shallow to do so now, given that I was a lurker for so long. Ever since I took over posting these threads "Libya Alhurra" has been linked as a source of information. It wasn't until last night, when I posted, and twitter posted on Mo's adventures out into Benghazi to try to determine the truth of the situation, that Mo's webchannel became a hit, over 2000 people were watching him stream live. This was curious to him because he'd done many reports like this in the past but he appeared somewhat bemused that the view count exploded as it did. Last night Mo became a star. This is a man who first started out with a webcast replete with fear and desperation finally overcoming that aspect of himself and losing that fear, to become someone who was a fighter for the resistance just as much as those who held the guns. Reporting on the front lines of Benghazi became his final act, and for that he should never, ever be forgotten. I'm so sorry Mo that I never got to know you better.

Mo's first report, which many of you may remember, begging for help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38EXALI60hg

Mo's last report, a fallen hero trying to spread the word to the world: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecu_iWLn-rg

Mo leaves behind a wife who is with child, she had http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/03/23/a_bright_voice_from_libyas_darkness">this to say about the No Fly Zone and R2P UN resolution:

We started this in a pure way, but he turned it bloody. Thousands of our men, women, and children have died. We just wanted our freedom, that's all we wanted, we didn't want power. Before, we could not do a single thing if it was not the way he wanted it. All we wanted was freedom. All we wanted was to be free. We have paid with our blood, with our families, with our men, and we're not going to give up. We are still going to do that no matter what it takes, but we need help. We want to do this ourselves, but we don't have the weapons, the technology, the things we need. I don't want anyone to say that Libya got liberated by anybody else. If NATO didn't start moving when they did, I assure you, I assure you, half of Benghazi if not more would have been killed. If they stop helping us, we are going to be all killed because he has no mercy anymore.


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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 07:50 PM
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1. Current time in Libya, 2:49am Tuesday, April 12
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 07:51 PM
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2. Ivory Coast's Gbagbo Arrested by French Officials
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2011/04/11/ivory-coasts-gbagbo-arrested-by-french-officials">Ivory Coast's Gbagbo Arrested by French Officials
Ivory Coast's former president Laurent Gbagbo was arrested Monday by French officials supporting internationally recognized President Alassane Ouattara after weeks of violent fighting. Gbagbo is "well and alive and will be called to justice," said the country's U.N. ambassador. Gbagbo lost re-election last November to Ouattara but refused to give up power. French military took temporary control of the capital's airport and also surrounded the presidential residence where Gbagbo and his family had been reportedly living. Gbagbo, who served for a decade, is also being investigated for possible war crimes and crimes against humanity.


Bye bye, tyrant.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 07:52 PM
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3. Gbagbo's Capture May Set Ivory Coast's Economy on Long Road to Recovery
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-12/gbagbo-s-capture-may-set-ivory-coast-s-economy-on-long-road-to-recovery.html">Gbagbo's Capture May Set Ivory Coast's Economy on Long Road to Recovery
The capture of Ivory Coast’s former leader Laurent Gbagbo may mark the end of 11 years of conflict that culminated in an assault on the largest city, Abidjan, stalling the economy of the world’s largest cocoa producer.

Gbagbo, 65, was able to defy world opinion and hold onto power after his defeat in a Nov. 28 election to Alassane Ouattara because he enjoyed widespread support in the mainly Christian south, winning almost 46 percent of the national vote.

It took a siege of his home by a combination of French, United Nations and rebel forces to finally end his decade-long rule. Now Ouattara, 69, a former International Monetary Fund director, inherits a banking system closed by four months of international isolation, a cocoa industry in danger of losing its dominance of the global market and a treasury that defaulted on a $2.3 billion bond.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 07:57 PM
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4. Moussa Koussa warns Libya could be 'new Somalia'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8444679/Moussa-Koussa-warns-Libya-could-be-new-Somalia.html">Moussa Koussa warns Libya could be 'new Somalia'
"I ask everyone, all the parties to avoid taking Libya into a civil war," the former minister said in a statement issued to the BBC.

"This would lead to so much blood and Libya will be a new Somalia," he said. "We refuse to divide Libya.

"The unity of Libya is essential to any resolution and settlement for Libya," he added.

Mr Koussa arrived in Britain unexpectedly on March 30 and immediately quit his post as foreign minister.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 08:01 PM
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5. African Union: the key facts
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/11/african-union-background-facts-libya">African Union: the key facts
Established in 2002, the African Union (AU) replaced the Organisation of African Unity (OAU), which had focused on liberation struggles from colonial rule and apartheid. The AU had a different vision of a "forward-looking, dynamic and integrated Africa". To get there, the 53-member body drew up broad objectives. These include fostering unity and solidarity between African countries, accelerating political and socio-economic integration, and promoting peace, security, democracy and human rights in the continent.

The AU is based in Ethiopia and has a decision-making assembly, made up of heads of state and government, and a representative parliament, which sits in South Africa.

More a political union than an economic bloc, the AU has staged several military interventions, sending peacekeepers to Burundi, Sudan and Somalia. Many people see it as a toothless watchdog, however, consisting of a club of leaders who look out for one another rather than advancing democracy.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 08:13 PM
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6. Libyan revolutionary council rejects African Union's peace initiative
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/11/libyan-rebels-reject-peace-initiative">Libyan revolutionary council rejects African Union's peace initiative
Libya's revolutionary leadership has flatly rejected an African Union peace initiative because it does not require Muammar Gaddafi to immediately relinquish power.

The rebels' interim ruling council met an AU delegation from five countries – led by three presidents and two foreign ministers – the day after Gaddafi endorsed the African "roadmap to peace", which included an immediate ceasefire, the suspension of Nato air strikes and talks towards a political settlement.

But Mustafa Abdul Jalil, the revolutionary council chairman, said the rebels had told the AU its proposal had been outdated by events, including the UN security council resolution authorising air strikes, and was in any case unacceptable because it left Gaddafi in power while both sides negotiated.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 08:18 PM
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7. Note: the AU's proposal has been floating for almost two weeks now:
Edited on Mon Apr-11-11 08:19 PM by joshcryer
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/873bb3a4-5bb6-11e0-b8e7-00144feab49a.html">Gaddafi offers to oversee reform, say aides
Published: March 31 2011 18:02

Muammer Gaddafi has been offering to reform Libya’s political system and pass power to one of his sons during a transition period as he seeks a way out of the Libya crisis, according to diplomats and former government officials.

As a United Nations envoy was in Tripoli in search of a political solution that western powers insist must include Col Gaddafi’s departure, some of the leader’s children are believed to be exploring exit options for the family.

Diplomats, however, say Col Gaddafi himself is insisting on overseeing a transition and has sent messages that he would be willing to implement drastic political changes.


Sorry, that first link is behind a register wall, but if you stop it from loading before it finishes you can read the full article (or turn off javascript maybe).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8425718/Libya-Saif-Gaddafi-offers-to-lead-transition-to-democracy.html">Libya: Saif Gaddafi offers to lead 'transition to democracy'
6:30AM BST 04 Apr 2011

Under the proposal, Saif, one of Gaddafi's inner circle, would lead the transition to constitutional democracy, according to a diplomat with close ties to the Libyan government.

However, neither Col Gaddafi nor the rebels appear ready to accept such a proposal, the diplomat added.

The alleged proposal comes as Col Gaddafi despatched a trusted adviser to Greece for talks that could signal the Libyan leader’s readiness to stand down.


Nothing new about the proposal.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 10:56 PM
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18. Copy & paste the title into google search
They generally drop the wall for traffic coming from google, so you can usually end-run regwalls this way. :)


:hi:





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 11:05 PM
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20. AU peace plan: "This would be like asking a rape victim to negotiate with the rapist"
Edited on Mon Apr-11-11 11:07 PM by pinboy3niner
--Fran Townsend, former Homeland Security Advisor, on CNN this morning.






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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 08:23 PM
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8. Libya: Peace on whose terms?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/8444152/Libya-Peace-on-whose-terms.html">Libya: Peace on whose terms?
Muammar Gaddafi has everything to gain by accepting the African Union's (AU) "road map" for a ceasefire, presented to him by Jacob Zuma, the South African president. The opposition forces, on the other hand, have much to lose.

So long as the Libyan leader continues to defy the UN's demands for an immediate ceasefire, his forces are liable to attack by Nato warplanes. Nato officials yesterday reported that another 25 tanks belonging to Gaddafi's forces had been destroyed by airstrikes, providing a much-needed boost to the rebels' efforts to halt advances by the regime. But Nato's ability to defend the rebels would be severely limited if the AU persuaded Gaddafi to observe a ceasefire and engage in peace talks.

Given the AU's close ties to the Libyan dictator, it is easy to see why the anti-Gaddafi forces are opposed to the deal, particularly if it means that he remains in power. Gaddafi is a former chairman of the AU and one of its principal donors. The fact that Mr Zuma, who led the delegation to Tripoli, flew home to South Africa without even bothering to meet the rebel leaders in Benghazi could certainly be interpreted as a sign that he is only interested in keeping Gaddafi in power. In the past, Mr Zuma has proved himself to be a staunch ally of another of the African continent's reviled dictators, Zimbabwe's president Robert Mugabe.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 11:16 PM
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22. Only in Gaddafi World does "ceasefire" = continuing to shell your own people w/ tanks & rockets...
...while quietly 'disappearing' your opposition in the territory you hold.

The opposition COULD try trusting Gaddafi...but the lives of all who opposed him are on the line if they're wrong.






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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 08:36 PM
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9. Libya: perilous voyage to help besieged rebels in Misurata
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8444041/Libya-perilous-voyage-to-help-besieged-rebels-in-Misurata.html">Libya: perilous voyage to help besieged rebels in Misurata
They have been cut off from the world for nearly two months and now pleaded to use telephones, to pass on messages and to get word of their desperate predicament to relatives or governments.

The pitiful throng was among 7,000 foreigners that rebels estimate to be trapped in the besieged Libyan town of Misurata. The tenuously-held rebel town is the only western possession of the opposition to Col Muammar Gaddafi. It has seen the bloodiest fighting of anywhere in the Libyan uprising.

The labourers from countries including Bangladesh, Egypt, Ghana and Niger were attracted by jobs in a once-prosperous town, but have now seen loyalist barrages and snipers turn it into an indiscriminate killing ground.


There was a post in these forums that didn't deserve my response, about how the rebels are "racists." The truth of the matter is that Gaddafi has been holding black African's hostage for decades, and he has used them to foment racism and hate. Misrata, having thousands of black African migrants held hostage, is merely the tip of the iceberg.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 08:58 PM
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10. Libya: RAF Tornados strike 15 targets in Libya
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/11/raf-tornados-strike-15-targets-libya">Libya: RAF Tornados strike 15 targets in Libya
British warplanes saw their biggest day of action since the invasion of Iraq on Sunday as RAF Tornados hit 15 targets in Libya.

The deployment of high-cost weaponry will have made it the most expensive RAF mission in recent years. The aircraft struck 12 tanks, two surface to air missile launchers and an armoured fighting vehicle during armed patrols over Misrata, Brega, and Ajdabiyah on Sunday, Major General John Lorimer, chief military spokesman at the Ministry of Defence, disclosed.

As part of the highest number of combined strikes on Libya since Nato took command of the military operation on 31 March, the Tornados fired Brimstone anti-tank missiles and Paveway IV bombs, described by defence officials as precision weapons with an accuracy of a few metres. Nato said its aircraft had conducted 154 sorties over Libya on Sunday, including 70 "strike sorties", which it defines as missions to identify and engage targets, but which do not necessarily involve weapons being fired.

It said the number of sorties since Nato took over the operation was 1,721.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 09:55 PM
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11. Gaddafi's finance chief fears regime may run out of cash
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/11/libya-regime-economic-fears">Gaddafi's finance chief fears regime may run out of cash
The Libyan government fears it may run out of funds within months if there is no quick resolution to the political and military crisis, the regime's finance minister has told the Guardian.

Abdulhafid Zlitni said the government would double interest rates in the next week in an attempt to encourage citizens to stop hoarding money at home and deposit their cash in banks.

The decision to raise interest rates is one of a number of emergency measures taken by the regime in recent weeks, including the rationing of fuel, restricting cash withdrawals from banks, increasing public sector pay by 50% and doubling pensions.

More than 75% of the country's population lives in the western part of the country still controlled by Muammar Gaddafi's government, which, despite international sanctions, is still paying public sector salaries, pensions and state subsidies, according to Zlitni. "At the moment, we have no problem with paying salaries and pensions. Although the bills are heavy, we can pay them," he said.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 10:24 PM
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12. Abidjan celebrates Gbagbo's fall
ABIDJAN (Reuters) - Shouts of joy erupted in parts of Abidjan on Monday as news of the arrest of Laurent Gbagbo spread through Ivory Coast's main city, where many had been trapped in their homes during 10 days of heavy fighting.

But some warned the country's deep crisis was not over and that armed supporters of the former president were still at large.

Residents drove their cars around, hooting in jubilation. In Koumassi, a district in the south of Abidjan, Mariam Cisse said residents were on the streets, chanting: "Gbagbo is gone. Gbagbo is gone."

"It is unbelievable what is going on here. People are running around in every direction and screaming that they are finally free," said Ali Toure in Abobo, a neighbourhood dominated by supporters of Gbagbo's presidential rival Alassane Ouattara and scarred by violence.

http://af.reuters.com/article/topNews/idAFJOE73A0OI20110411

(Some positive news for a change.)
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 10:25 PM
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13. Can't wait for that day in Libya
I know that I will fall down to my knees and sob with joy. And watch YouTube videos of the Libyans celebrating, and sit here and sob my guts out with them.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 10:27 PM
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15. Yep, my heart is in my stomach right now.
Edited on Mon Apr-11-11 10:28 PM by tabatha
I hope that financial sanctions and freezing are what do Gaddafi in.

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 10:26 PM
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14. WRAPUP 2-Ouattara urges peace after Ivory Coast rival held
ABIDJAN, April 12 (Reuters) - Ivory Coast's internationally recognised president Alassane Ouattara called for peace after his rival was arrested with the help of French forces, but he faces a huge task reuniting a country shattered by civil war.

Ouattara, who won a November presidential election according to U.N.-certified results, can finally begin asserting his authority over the West African country after Laurent Gbagbo was captured on Monday -- ending more than four months of stand-off that descended into all-out conflict.

...............

Ouattara said Gbagbo, his wife and aides who have been detained will face justice. But he also promised a South African-styled Truth and Reconciliation Commission to shed light on all crimes and human rights abuses.

................

Ouattara called for calm and said he had asked his police and gendarmerie forces as well as U.N. and French troops to help restore security.

Gbagbo, looking submissive and startled, briefly spoke on Ouattara's TCI television and called for an end to the fighting after his arrest.

http://af.reuters.com/article/ivoryCoastNews/idAFLDE73A2CP20110412?sp=true
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 10:39 PM
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16. How the Left got it wrong on Libya
I write this as a leftist myself. One who is deeply embarrassed by the politicking that seems to have almost completely absorbed some on the Left, regarding military intervention in Libya.

I aim to look here at a number of the main arguments against military intervention, and show that by and large they are not based on insight or careful analysis, but instead on familiar leftist dogma. And further, that a section of the Left has tried to create a narrative on Libya that simply doesn’t stand up to reality or logic, and more importantly holds ideology above any concern for the Libyan people.

http://theuprisinglive.blogspot.com/2011/04/how-left-got-it-wrong-on-libya.html

(Has this been posted, before?)
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 10:46 PM
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17. Misrata gets worse
Edited on Mon Apr-11-11 10:46 PM by tabatha
Tripolitanian‎ #Gaddafi launching night-time attack on #Misrata, it's 3:20AM!!

shaosman @Tripolitanian ghaddafi is levelling Misrata to the ground together with its people ...hello is someone supposed to be protecting civilians

#Gaddafi has said any aid-ships entering #Misrata port with military escort are considered act of war - now attacking #Misrata port

@freedomgroupTV salam alakom, can you confirm steel factory, hospital and port in #Misrata hit by #Gaddafi forces? - need more confirmation

Where is #Gaddafi getting all these weapons all of a sudden | Please help #Misrata!

(I wonder how long before Gaddafi flattens Misrata?)
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 12:06 AM
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24. Siege of Misrata makes ceasefire talks meaningless
It looks like ceasefire talks have collapsed for the moment as rebels say that the siege of Misurata by pro-Gaddafi forces make such talks meaningless. Reuters news agency reports:


Rebels in the coastal city of Misurata, under siege for six weeks, scorned reports that Gaddafi had accepted a ceasefire,saying they were fighting house-to-house battles with his forces, who fired rockets into the city.

Western leaders also rejected any deal that did not include Gaddafi's removal, and NATO refused to suspend its bombing of his forces unless there was a credible ceasefire."



5:47 am:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-12






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 11:00 PM
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19. CURRENT TIME IN LIBYA = 6 AM TUESDAY, APRIL 12
Libya time = EDT +6 hours, PDT +9 hours, GMT +2 hours





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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 11:13 PM
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21. Hillary calls for ceasefire in Libya
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has said that United States wants a ceasefire in Libya with the forces loyal to Muammar Qadhafi pulling back from the areas where they forcibly entered.

“We have made it very clear that we want to see a ceasefire. We want to see the Libyan regime forces pull back from the areas that they have forcibly entered,” Ms. Clinton told reporters.

......................


She said the U.S. will wait to get the full briefing as to what the African Union delegation determined during their recent trip to Tripoli to hold mediation talks with the Gaddafi regime.

“What we’ve seen with Gaddafi is a violent response to the aspirations of his own people, the use of his military assets against his own people,” she said.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article1690546.ece
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 11:26 PM
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23. Misrata is the Stalingrad of Libya
Edited on Mon Apr-11-11 11:27 PM by tabatha
Misrata has become a modern Battle of Stalingrad. Over the past 24 hours the Gaddafi Army has been resupplied with numerous Grad missiles and launchers with reports of heavy rocket artillery pounding the city. Such a report suggests we are going to see a number of reports like this over the next several days.

Human Rights Watch quoted Dr. Muhammad el-Fortia, who is employed at Misrata Hospital, who stated that 257 people have been killed and 949 wounded and hospitalized since February 19 in the city. The wounded included 22 women and eight children.

Another doctor believes the toll of dead and wounded is much higher given the fact that many residents cannot access hospitals or medical clinics.

"The fighters know how to protect themselves, but the civilians are getting hurt," a doctor told HRW. Civilians who were interviewed said Gaddafi’s army fired at them deliberately and indiscriminately – a direct violation of international humanitarian law.

One doctor on Al Jazeera English claimed the other day the average number of people killed or wounded per day has been at least 300 every day for the 6 weeks of fighting. That would only be 12,000 in a city where 300,000 people are still believed to be living, meaning the doctor is giving a potentially legitimate number. As has been discussed many times and in many places, Libya is a political tragedy of the worst kind primarily because Western assistance came in the form of tactics instead of a strategy to meet the requirements as demanded by a UN mandate for policy.

http://www.informationdissemination.net/2011/04/misrata-is-stalingrad-of-libya.html


NATO and Obama, hope you're getting this info and have a smart plan. Otherwise, it is lost. Tonight I crash with a heavy heart; tomorrow when I wake up, the first thing I'll do is check on the status of Misrata.


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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 12:20 AM
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25. Gaddafi hunkers down under sanctions; rebel economy struggles

Source: Washington Post





Gaddafi hunkers down under sanctions; rebel economy struggles


By Simon Denyer, Monday, April 11, 7:01 PM


TRIPOLI, Libya —

...


The panic that gripped the Libyan economy at the height of the crisis has substantially abated, and the government has implemented a series of measures to cope with the sanctions and the loss of hundreds of thousands of foreign workers.

...


Keeping the economy afloat amid tight international sanctions is costly, and Finance Minister Abdulhafid Zlitni said in an interview that the government’s money might run out “in a few months.”

Nevertheless, the British-educated economist was optimistic that this would buy Gaddafi’s government enough time — to probe for gaps in the international community’s resolve, to find a compromise that keeps Gaddafi in power or just to persuade old friends to help.

...


Oil revenue has made many Libyans lazy, he said. “If you have children, sometimes you have to smack them to make them behave themselves. You don’t like to do it, but you have to.”


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/gaddafi-hunkers-down-under-sanctions-rebel-economy-struggles/2011/04/11/AFC7IsMD_story.html








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 12:53 AM
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26. Libya proves that war still means mass rape




COMMENTARY


Libya proves that war still means mass rape


By MARY SANCHEZ


The Kansas City Star


...


Mass rape is never quite acknowledged in the glorious accounts of the victors, and the shame of it impels the defeated not to dwell on its memory. Often it’s left to historians to dredge up its horrors, or to a handful of victims that demand justice. Only recently has rape in wartime become a topic for sustained discussion, much less systematic prosecution as a war crime.

But now there is Libya and Eman al-Obeidy.

...


Men have long been the main instigators of war, but women often bear its most gruesome scars. A 1996 UNICEF report, titled “Sexual Violence as a Weapon of War,” declared:


“From (recent) conflicts in Bosnia and Herzegovina to Peru to Rwanda, girls and women have been singled out for rape, imprisonment, torture and execution. Rape, identified by psychologists as the most intrusive of traumatic events, has been documented in many armed conflicts including those in Bangladesh, Cambodia, Cyprus, Haiti, Liberia, Somalia and Uganda.”


...


We can hope that the bravery of Eman al-Obeidy, her dogged determination to use the media to expose the Libyan regime’s atrocities, will help the world denounce rape as a crime of war.


http://www.kansascity.com/2011/04/11/2793481/libya-proves-that-war-still-means.html#ixzz1JHjWvG9c








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 02:55 AM
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27. NEW Video: 'Please do not forget me,' says Al-Obeidy
Posted: April 11th, 2011 11:54 PM ET

Editor's note: CNN's Anderson Cooper gets an update from Eman al-Obeidy, the Libyan woman who has accused Gadhafi troops of raping her.

Bravery in Libya (4:00):
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/11/video-please-do-not-forget-me-says-al-obeidy/


Eman says in the interview that Saadi Gaddafi has promised to help her leave Tripoli. Cooper says on the show:

"We contacted Saadi's office and they confirmed to us that he is going to help her leave Tripoli."

The show aired Monday, 4/11/11.






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 04:45 AM
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28. The Red Cross is having a hard time setting up an office in Tripoli
Al Jazeera's Laurence Lee, reporting from Benghazi, said:


...(They've) apparently been told that if they want to open a humanitarian corridor to Misurata, and they're seen to be aiding fighters, then that would be seen as an act of war by Tripoli.


7:09am:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-12-0






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 05:00 AM
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29. CURRENT TIME IN LIBYA = NOON TUESDAY, APRIL 12
Libya time = EDT +6 hours, PDT +9 hours, GMT +2 hours





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 05:29 AM
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30. NATO not doing enough in Libya - French minister



By Maria Golovnina and John Irish

TRIPOLI/PARIS | Tue Apr 12, 2011 5:22am EDT


(Reuters) - French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe said on Tuesday NATO was not doing enough to protect civilians in Libya, the day after an African Union plan to halt the country's civil war collapsed.

Juppe said NATO should target heavy weapons besieging Misrata, the rebel-held city in western Libya where an increasingly bloody siege by Muammar Gaddafi's troops led rebels to dismiss the AU call for a cease-fire as meaningless.

"NATO must play its role fully. It wanted to take the lead in operations, we accepted that,"
Juppe told France Info radio ahead of travelling to Doha on Tuesday for a Libya contact group meeting.

"It must play its role today which means preventing Gaddafi from using heavy weapons to shell (civilian) populations."

When asked if NATO was doing enough Juppe responded: "It's not enough."


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/12/uk-libya-idUKLDE71Q0MP20110412







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 05:57 AM
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31. No diplomatic door for Gaddafi, says former envoy
Interview with Ali Aujali, Libya's former ambassador to the United States, on 'The World Today,' a public affairs program of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation:



Eleanor Hall reported this story on Tuesday, April 12, 2011 12:38:00

ELEANOR HALL: ...

But Libya's former ambassador to the United States, Ali Aujali - who is now the Council's Official Representative to the United States - told me a short time ago from Washington that he holds out little hope of a diplomatic solution to the Libyan crisis.

ELEANOR HALL: Ali Aujali, the council has rejected this African Union deal on the grounds that it leaves Gaddafi in power, but it does provide for humanitarian corridors and an internationally monitored ceasefire. Was there any consideration in the council of agreeing to this peace deal as the first step to Gaddafi leaving?

ALI AUJALI: No, not acceptable at all. This is Gaddafi's trick, this is Gaddafi's initiative and the brothers of South Africa. When the Gaddafi refused his exit, they just left and they went home.

...


ELEANOR HALL: You worked closely with Gaddafi for decades. What do you think is likely to be his state of mind at the moment?

ALI AUJALI: Well, I don't work with him closely, you know. I'm a diplomat and I spend more than 30 years overseas but he is a very stubborn person. You can't trust him. This person he will never accept anybody and any person in Libya to rule while he is around.

And the Libyan people are not safe, the democracy will not be safe as far as Gaddafi and his family is around. That man is sick of power and sick of authority and sick of popularity.

ELEANOR HALL: Well, Gaddafi shows no sign, clearly, of going on his own accord so how does the council propose to achieve that goal of forcing him from power?

ALI AUJALI: Well, I think if the NATO keep the momentum of the operation to strike Gaddafi's forces when they are attacking other cities, the momentum that is very important when this is achieved by the NATO, I think Tripoli and other cities, they will be able to rise against Gaddafi and we will be able to get him down with our own people.

ELEANOR HALL: Are you saying, though, it will have to be a military rather than a diplomatic solution?

ALI AUJALI: I can't see a diplomatic solution for this man. He doesn't believe in anything more than he and his family, they have to stay, they have to rule. Gaddafi will not leave easy. We understand this very well. It's just we- He must be captured like what happened to the dictator of Côte d'Ivoire, you know.

ELEANOR HALL: But are you saying that you don't see a diplomatic solution? Because the Arab League is hosting a meeting in Cairo this week to look at possible political solutions. Are you saying there isn't one?

ALI AUJALI: Well, if Gaddafi will accept that he and his family, the Libyan people will guarantee them- granted for them safe exit from Libya, that would be fine. But he will never accept- according to my belief, he will never accept something like this.

...




ELEANOR HALL: You're painting a picture of the horrors of this war so far. Would the council consider a divided Libya as an alternative to a protracted war?

ALI AUJALI: No way, no way, no way. Libya is one people. It is one country. We cannot leave the
western part under Gaddafi. The Libyans are willing to die for this cause and I am sure that the will of the people, in the end it will succeed.

ELEANOR HALL: How long though is the opposition prepared to fight? How many lives are you prepared to lose?

ALI AUJALI: Well, it doesn't matter, as far as this man, he is there, I think there is no other alternative. We will never- then we just sacrifice the how many tens people being killed now, we sacrifice them for nothing without achieving our goals.

...


http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2011/s3189102.htm








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 06:23 AM
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32. Libya: British Foreign Secretary calls on NATO to step up attacks

Source: The Telegraph





Libya: William Hague calls on Nato to step up attacks


Nato must step up its air attacks on ground targets in Libya and the first condition of any future ceasefire is a full retreat by Colonel Muammar Gaddafi's forces from rebel held areas, William Hague said today.



By Bruno Waterfield, Luxembourg11:38AM BST 12 Apr 2011


Arriving at a meeting of EU foreign ministers in Luxembourg, the Foreign Secretary called on the Alliance to increase the tempo of military strikes and insisted that there could be no peace in Libya until Col. Gaddafi departed.

...


Mr Hague stressed that before there could be any halt to Nato bombing raids the Gaddafi regime must pull back from Ajdabiya, Misrata, and Zawiya, allowing full access for humanitarian assistance in all of Libya.


”It includes disengaging from the towns and cities in which Gaddafi's forces are attacking the civilian population. It means a real ceasefire, a genuine ceasefire. Twice the regime has announced a ceasefire but has continued to bombard the people of Misurata and many other locations,” he said.

”The important thing is to get a real ceasefire and then it would be possible under UN or other auspices for that to be monitored. Of course, to have any viable peaceful future for Libya, Col. Gaddafi needs to leave.”




http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8445311/Libya-William-Hague-calls-on-Nato-to-step-up-attacks.html








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 06:36 AM
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33. Moussa Koussa to leave Britain

Source: The Guardian




Key defector expected to go to Libya conference in Qatar after being questioned over Lockerbie bombing


Ian Black, Middle East editor
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 12 April 2011 11.32 BST


Moussa Koussa, the former Libyan foreign minister who defected to Britain, is being allowed to leave the country after being questioned by Scottish police about his role in the Lockerbie affair, the Guardian can reveal.

Koussa is expected in the Qatari capital of Doha on Wednesday where an international conference on the future of Libya is being held with representatives from the Benghazi-based opposition.

Koussa is said to be seeking to establish whether he has a role to play in the rebel movement along with other senior defectors from the Gaddafi regime – perhaps by brokering a deal between Tripoli and Benghazi.

...


It is expected that he will return to the UK in the next few days after the trip to the Middle East.

The hope in Whitehall is that Koussa's lenient treatment by the UK authorities will send a positive signal to other would-be Libyan defectors as part of a broader strategy of eroding Muammar Gaddafi's position.

...


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/12/moussa-koussa-leave-britain-libya








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 07:34 AM
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37. BBC reports Moussa Koussa has left the UK for Qatar nt



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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 06:50 AM
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34. Poll: Most Britons, Americans, French and Italians think the West should aim to oust Gaddafi
From The Guardian's news blogs:

A poll has found that most Britons, Americans, French and Italians think the West should aim to oust Gaddafi, but there are concerns over costs, aims and the possible outcomes of the NATO mission.

The Reuters/Ipsos MORI poll found that 63% of Britons, 71% of Americans, 67% of the French, and 76% of Italians wanted the West to help oust Gaddafi,

But only half of Britons, 55% of Americans, and 40% of Italians support allied military action in Libya. In France, where Nicolas Sarkozy has led calls for the use of force in Libya, support was higher at 63%.

With most western nations facing large budget deficits, 79% of Britons, 74% of Americans and 62% of Italians felt their country could not afford military action in Libya.

Only half of the French felt they could afford it, although a much higher 65% felt the mission had clear objectives. Only 49% of Britons, 44% of Americans and 44% of Italians felt the same.

The poll was conducted online between 5 and 7 April in Britain, the US and France, and was conducted by telephone on April 4 in Italy. Interviewees were aged between 16 and 64 and were a representative sample of this age range in each country.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/apr/12/libya-middle-east-uprising-live-updates#block-13






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 06:56 AM
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35. Gaddafi's forces are continuing to shell Misrata
Gaddafi's forces are continuing to shell Misrata, the only major city in the western half of Libya that remains under partial opposition control, AP reports. A medical official told the news agency that six people were killed yesterday and another corpse has been brought in today.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/apr/12/libya-middle-east-uprising-live-updates#block-15





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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 11:09 AM
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54. I watched a NATO briefing a day or so ago.
Edited on Tue Apr-12-11 11:11 AM by tabatha
And heard the "I don't apologize" representative answer a number of questions. If he is in charge of the NATO bombings then I can understand why they have been inconsistent. Seems like Juppe and the British are getting on NATO's case about doing more to protect Misrata. I hope they do and I hope it is not too late. There is no point in starting a protection campaign if it is not going to do the job.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 07:25 AM
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36. Gaddafi forces shelling rebel lines outside Ajdabiyah
Rebels are defending the western gates of Ajdabiya as forces loyal to Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi continue to attack their positions.

Explosions could be seen less than 1.5km from the western gates as Gadhafi's forces shelled rebel lines. Rebels believe Gadhafi's forces could attack the western entrance to Ajdabiya from Brega, currently in government hands.

1:25pm:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-12-0






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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 07:45 AM
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38. Syria: Security Forces Barring Protesters from Medical Care
From Human Rights Watch:

Syria: Security Forces Barring Protesters from Medical Care
At Least 28 Killed in Bloody Friday Crackdown in Daraa, Harasta, and Douma
April 12, 2011

(New York) - Syrian security forces in at least two towns prevented medical personnel and others from reaching wounded protesters on April 8, 2011, and prevented injured protesters from accessing hospitals, Human Rights Watch said today. Human Rights Watch, which interviewed 20 witnesses from three Syrian towns, urged Syrian authorities to allow injured protesters unimpeded access to medical treatment and to stop using unjustified lethal force against anti-government protesters.

"To deprive wounded people of critical and perhaps life-saving medical treatment is both inhumane and illegal," said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East director at Human Rights Watch. "Barring people from needed medical care causes grave suffering and perhaps irreparable harm."

Blocking access to necessary medical treatment for people who have been injured violates the government's obligations to respect and protect the right to life and not to subject anyone to inhuman treatment, Human Rights Watch said.

Human Rights Watch interviewed six witnesses from the town of Daraa, ten from Harasta, and four from Douma, towns where protests took place on Friday April 8. Those interviewed included four doctors, four injured protesters, formerly detained protesters, and families of wounded protesters.

Human Rights Watch confirmed that at least 28 people were killed in protests in the three towns on that day. Syrian human rights groups provided a list of 27 protesters killed in Daraa on April 8, and Human Rights Watch confirmed the death of at least one additional protester in Douma. Protests also took place in Qamishli, Derbassiye, Banyas, Amuda, Homs, Latakia, Tartous, and Arbeen, but Human Rights Watch was unable to obtain reliable information about any casualties in these towns.

"Syria's leaders talk about political reform, but they meet their people's legitimate demands for reform with bullets," said Sarah Leah Whitson, director of the Middle East and North Africa division at Human Rights Watch. "They accuse the protesters of inciting divisions in Syria's society, but the violence of their security forces is what is harming Syria the most."

More, with detail from Daraa, Harasta, and Douma...

http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2011/04/12/syria-security-forces-barring-protesters-medical-care


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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 07:48 AM
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39. Latest on Misrata: "Every day has 24 hrs...people are under attack 26 hrs. It never stops."
Al Jazeera's Hoda Abdel Hamid with the latest on the battle for Misrata:

Watch at AJE...

1:44pm:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-12-0


...OR watch on YouTube:

Misurata civilians under siege (2:45)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNxUIEWR8mY&feature=player_embedded





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 07:56 AM
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40. The Guardian's summary of events so far today in Libya and the Middle East:


• Moussa Koussa, the former Libyan foreign minister who defected to Britain, is being allowed to leave the UK. The Guardian revealed that Koussa is expected in the Qatari capital of Doha for an international conference on the future of Libya. The foreign office has said Koussa is "a free individual, who can travel to and from the UK as he wishes."

• The UK has joined calls for Nato to step up its efforts in Libya. Earlier Alain Juppe, the French foreign minister said Nato's efforts to protect civilians are "not enough". Arriving at a conference of EU foreign ministers in Luxembourg this morning William Hague called for an intensification of efforts.

• Gaddafi's forces are continuing to shell Misrata, the only major city in the western half of Libya that remains under partial opposition control. A medical official told the Associated Press that six people were killed yesterday and another corpse has been brought in today. Reuters reported that three rebels were killed outside Ajdabiya this morning.

• Moussa Koussa, warned this morning that his country risks becoming the "new Somalia". Reading a statement, Koussa said: "I ask everybody to avoid taking Libya into civil war." He added: "This would lead to so much blood and Libya would be a new Somalia."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/apr/12/libya-middle-east-uprising-live-updates#block-17






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 08:08 AM
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41. AP: Libya town shelled as France urges NATO action

Source: AP


By SEBASTIAN ABBOT , 04.12.11, 08:35 AM EDT

AJDABIYA, Libya -- Moammar Gadhafi's forces shelled the only major city in the western half of Libya that remains under partial rebel control Tuesday as France said NATO should be doing more to take out heavy weaponry targeting civilians.

Weeks of fierce government bombardment of Misrata have terrorized the city's residents, killing dozens of people and leaving food and medical supplies scarce, according to residents, doctors and rights groups.

"Unfortunately, with the long-range war machines of Gadhafi forces, no place is safe in Misrata," a medical official in Misrata told The Associated Press. Six people were killed Monday and another corpse was brought in Tuesday, he said.

...


Associated Press writers Ben Hubbard in Benghazi, Hadeel al-Shalchi in Tripoli, Paisley Dodds and Raphael G. Satter in London, Raf Casert in Luxembourg and Selcan Hacaoglu in Turkey contributed to this report.


http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/04/12/general-ml-libya_8403868.html






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 08:23 AM
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42. Libyan woman (Eman al-Obeidi) recounts gang rape by Gadhafi troops


Source: AP





Libyan woman recounts gang rape by Gadhafi troops


HADEEL AL-SHALCHI | April 12, 2011 07:34 AM EST |


TRIPOLI, Libya — Since Iman al-Obeidi burst into the hotel housing foreign journalists in Tripoli and recounted her gang rape by pro-Gadhafi militiamen, she says many people on the streets of the capital have recognized her and praised her bravery. Even cab drivers have refused to take her money to offer their support.

Al-Obeidi spoke to reporters from The Associated Press and National Public Radio from her home without Libyan government minders, who keep an almost constant watch over foreign journalists the regime has invited in to cover its side of the uprising against Gadhafi's 42-year rule of this North African Arab country.

...


"I kept fighting back. I hit back a lot and I kept fighting," she said. "They eventually tied my arms and legs together."

Tied naked and left on the floor of a room inside a huge house, al-Obeidi said a total of fifteen men took turns raping her, at least three men at a time. They would strangle her, cover her head while raping her, and kick her when they were done, she said.

"My neck turned blue from being strangled," she said.

She said the men were drunk all the time, and would pour alcohol in her eyes, nose and mouth to cut off her air supply. She said they also poured alcohol in her vagina, and sodomized her with a Kalashnikov rifle.

...


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20110412/ml-libya-woman-attacked/







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 08:39 AM
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43. UN rebuffs EU proposal for humanitarian mission to Libya


Source: Deutsche Presse-Agentur


Apr 12, 2011, 11:16 GMT


Luxembourg - The United Nations has rebuffed a European Union offer to deploy a naval military mission to assist humanitarian aid efforts in Libya, European officials in Luxembourg said Tuesday.


Speaking at a meeting of EU foreign ministers, the bloc's foreign policy chief, Catherine Ashton, said the UN believed there was no need for such a mission just yet.


The EU has began planning a naval mission - EUFOR Libya - but is waiting for the UN's Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) to authorize its deployment.

...


Austrian Foreign Minister Michael Spindelegger said UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon had told him that OCHA would call on the EU only 'when it's absolutely necessary, as a last resort.'

...


http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/africa/news/article_1632399.php/UN-rebuffs-EU-proposal-for-humanitarian-mission-to-Libya





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 09:15 AM
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44. Gene A. Cretz rose to be U.S. ambassador to Libya

Source: Times Union (Albany, NY)




Long journey from Albany

Gene A. Cretz rose to be U.S. ambassador to Libya



by bryan fitzgerald Special to the Times Union

Published 12:20 a.m., Tuesday, April 12, 2011


...

In their first and only one-on-one meeting, in a large tent in Gadhafi's compound in the capital city of Tripoli, Cretz, the United States ambassador to Libya and an Albany native, talked with the 68-year-old autocrat about strengthening the fragile relationship between the two countries.

...


"The future is very uncertain," Cretz said Monday in a telephone interview from State Department. "It's very, very hard to put a deadline on the military situation. As for what type of government we'll be dealing with after it is over, we hope it will turn out well. (The rebels) have gotten off to a good start. They've said all the right things, written all the right things and seem dedicated to principles that we would welcome."


The U.S. Embassy in Libya was, Gretz said, ''reconstituted'' to Washington, D.C., on Feb. 25, when the anti-government protests in Tripoli were met by waves of violence by the army and African mercenaries.


Cretz was sent home in early January after diplomatic cables he sent containing personal information about Gadhafi were made public during the Wikileaks scandal. Cretz, 60, came home to Albany to visit family shortly after returning from Libya.

...


http://www.timesunion.com/default/article/Long-journey-from-Albany-1332849.php#ixzz1JJg0K3tm







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 09:44 AM
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45. Opposition fighters have taken Zintan's western gate from Gaddafi's forces--Al Jazeera
Our colleagues at Al Jazeera Arabic tell us that opposition fighters have taken Zintan's western gate from Gaddafi's forces.

They have also prevented Gaddafi's troops from taking over the road between Nalut and Tunis.

4:15pm:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-12-0





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 10:02 AM
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47. NATO aircraft destroys tanks in the area of Zintan

Source: NATO

12 Apr. 2011


Naples, 12 April – NATO aircraft destroyed four tanks in the vicinity of Zintan. One main battle tank was destroyed and three were damaged to the point that they were inoperable. A separate strike also destroyed an ammunition storage site South West of Sirte.


“One of the strikes last night focused on an ammunition bunker,” said Lieutenant-General Charles Bouchard, Commander of Operation Unified Protector. “We will continue to strike at the Regime’s supplies and supply lines and reduce their ability to fight.”


http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/news_72307.htm





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 09:54 AM
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46. Doctors in Misrata: "Very bad yesterday--10 dead, including 2 children; 40 injured"--Al Jazeera nt



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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 10:30 AM
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48. Hundreds of Libyan Berbers flee Western Mountains and head to Tunisia
From the office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR):



12 April 2011


GENEVA, April 12 (UNHCR) – The UN refugee agency reported Tuesday that more than 500 Libyans, mostly ethnic Berbers, have fled their homes in Libya's Western Mountains and sought shelter in the Dehiba area of south-east Tunisia over the past week.

"They have told us that mounting pressure on the cities of the Western Mountains by government forces, lack of basic medical supplies and shortages of food prompted their departure," UNHCR spokesman Andrej Mahecic told journalists in Geneva.

He noted that Dehiba was located about 200 kilometres south of Ras Adjir, the border crossing where tens of thousands of people fleeing Libya since the conflict erupted in mid-February have entered Tunisia.

Mahecic said the new arrivals had very limited resources and "have significant humanitarian needs." The local authorities have allocated a sports field in Remada town, 45 kms inside Tunisia, where UNHCR has established a camp with 130 tents.

...


Almost 500,000 people have fled Libya since mid-February, including some 200,000 to Egypt, 236,000 to Tunisia, more than 36,000 to Niger, about 14,000 to Algeria, 6,200 to Chad and 2,800 to Sudan.

Last Sunday, some 3,900 people crossed the Sallum border into Egypt, including 3,000 Libyans. "This is double the average number of Libyans that have crossed on a daily basis in the past few weeks," Mahecic noted, adding: "On the same day, 2,992 people crossed at Ras Adjir into Tunisia, including 2,173 Libyans." These numbers include some Libyans who are crossing for trade.


http://www.unhcr.org/4da42b1f9.html







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 10:38 AM
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49. Al Jazeera update from from the front near Ajdabiyah:
Al Jazeera's Sue Turton, reporting from the western entrance of Ajdabiya - which came under fire earlier today - tells us:


There are pockets of resistance of Gaddafi's forces all around. The front line is changing all the time, but we are told by some of the people here they believe their fighters have reached Brega, however, I cannot confirm this.

They also say there has been NATO strikes on Gaddafi troops further down the road, but I can't confirm that either.



5:05pm:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-12-0





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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 10:42 AM
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50. Reuters: Misrata Update
5:20pm (GMT +2)

Libyan rebels reported heavy fighting in the coastal city of Misrata on Tuesday and said they had beaten back two separate offensives by troops loyal to Muammar Gaddafi. “There was heavy fighting in Tripoli street and the rebels held their positions. Also, very intense fighting occurred on the eastern side of Misrata on the Nak el Theqeel road. The rebels repelled the attack,” a rebel who identified himself as Mohamad Abu Shaara told Reuters by telephone. He said there were casualties but gave no further details.

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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 10:49 AM
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51. Lockerbie families attack UK over Moussa Koussa travel plans

Source: The Guardian





Lockerbie families attack UK over Moussa Koussa travel plans


British government accused of betrayal over decision to allow Libya's former foreign minister to attend Doha conference



Robert Booth and Ian Black, Middle East editor
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 12 April 2011 15.52 BST


Families of the victims of the Lockerbie bombing have accused the British government of "betrayal" after it allowed Moussa Koussa, the former Libyan foreign minister, to leave the UK to attend an international conference.

...


Brian Flynn, the brother of JP Flynn, who died in the 1988 attack and now organises the Victims of Pan Am 103 Incorporated campaign group in New York, said the UK authorities had "crossed a line" by allowing Koussa to attend the conference and thereby suggest he is a peace negotiator rather than, as they believe, a key instigator of the bombing.


"I think the British are being played by him … he has convinced them he can be valuable in this process, but he is not the suave diplomat in the suit sitting on the sidelines, he is one of the key guys who mastermined (the bombing of) Pan Am flight 103," Flynn said.


"He is a stated enemy of the British government. Our feeling is that the British government gave a nod to Lockerbie by questioning him two days before this conference, but that feels disingenuous. The Scottish and American prosecutors on Lockerbie are being betrayed by the politicians and the diplomats. Cameron has been good on Libya, but this sounds an awful lot like Tony Blair is back in charge."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/apr/12/lockerbie-families-moussa-koussa-travel







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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 11:02 AM
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52. Gaddafi’s Evangelical Advocate: Ray Comfort
From GD:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x873697

Facts absent from Comfort’s piece include Gaddafi’s role as a leading state sponsor of terrorism in the 1980s that included killing Americans, most notably in the 1988 Lockerbie bombing and the 1986 bombing of a disco in Berlin. He has ruthlessly slaughtered his own people at home and has sent assassins to hunt down his enemies abroad. He reacted to this year’s popular uprising with brutality — even machine-gunning mourners at his victims’ funerals. “Peacefully stepping down” is not an option for him. The U.S. alone has frozen $33 billion of his regime’s assets, money that could have helped alleviate the poverty of his people but instead went to fund the lavish lifestyle of Gaddafi and his inner circle.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 11:07 AM
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53. A Russian minority group has volunteered to join Gaddafi's army (now awaiting reply):
The "Circassians of the Caucasus", a Russian minority group, is reportedly waiting for a reply from Gaddafi after volunteering to join his army.

Originally from the volatile North Causasus region, a 19th century Tsarist military campaign caused many to flee their homeland, says Reuters, with large diaspora in Syria, Turkey - and Libya. Aslan Beshto said:


We wanted to pay back our debt to Libya for accepting Circassians who fled to the country during the Russo-Circassian War.


Reuters adds that some 7million Circassians are spread across the world, and about 700,000 remain in the northwest Caucasus. Circassian groups count 30,000 of their kinsmen in Libya, with 20,000 and 10,000 living in the rebel-held towns of Misurata and Benghazi respectively.

5:32pm:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-12-0






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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 11:11 AM
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55. I was afraid of this.
Bringing other countries into the fight, and it becoming more than an internal affair.

The NATO countries are there for civilian protection; not to help the FFs.
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CJvR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 02:44 PM
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70. Shouldn't these assholes...
...join the rebels instead then?

Circassian groups count 30,000 of their kinsmen in Libya, with 20,000 and 10,000 living in the rebel-held towns of Misurata and Benghazi respectively.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 11:22 AM
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56. TNC official to AFP: Gov't. forces have killed 10,000, w/ 30,000 wounded, 20,000 missing nt



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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 11:49 AM
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58. More information from Al Jazeera:
Ali Al Isawi, of Libya's National Transitional Council, tells reporters at an EU meeting in Luxembourg:


We have now about 10,000 killed by Gaddafi soldiers, we have about 20,000 persons missing and about 30,000 injured - 7,000 of them seriously injured with their lives endangered.

We want more efforts regarding protection of civilians against this aggression.



6:05pm:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-12-0





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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 12:13 PM
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59. This is a holocaust in the making.
It is depressing that in this day and age, it can still happen.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 01:56 PM
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65. There was one holocaust.
I wish that people would not use that word for other events.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 02:15 PM
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66. Anthony Weiner on Libya
http://www.businessinsider.com/anthony-weiner-libya-holocaust-2011-3

Includes video.

And I said "in the making".

It is also worth noting the following excerpt:

Still, there can be no denying the fact that America's action in Libya constitutes a significant change from the policies of some previous presidents. It was not so long ago, after all, that another secretary of state was telling the president that "if they put Jews into gas chambers in the Soviet Union, it is not an American concern." And Franklin D. Roosevelt, who was president during the years when Jews from the (Nazi-occupied) Soviet Union were indeed put into gas chambers, likewise thought it was not an American concern.

Today, by contrast, America's president has declared that this country has "responsibilities to our fellow human beings." That "preventing genocide" is "important to us" and one of our "core principles." That "some nations may be able to turn a blind eye to atrocities in other countries the United States of America is different."

The people of Libya are not comparable to the Jews of Europe during the Holocaust. Neither are the people of Syria or Bahrain. There is no danger of genocide in those countries. On the other hand, based on the historical record in that part of the world, we know the possibility of a dictator massacring thousands of his own citizens is very real. And the fact that America's current leaders recognize a role for historical lessons in shaping policy decisions is certainly a welcome change from the attitudes of some of their predecessors.

http://washingtonjewishweek.com/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=49&ArticleID=14684
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 03:34 PM
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79. He draws a line brtween genocide, and "massacring thousands."
That is what I am saying. There is a big difference between genocide and what is occurring and has occurred in Libya. Rep. Wiener recognizes this, though drawing different conclusions in the overall debate than I do.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 11:40 AM
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57. Intervention in Libya saved the lives of my family





Intervention in Libya saved the lives of my family


Published: Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 8:00 AM


By Nadia Abraibesh


I'm a Libyan-American who recently returned from a six-month family visit to Benghazi. Born and raised in Portland, I had taken for granted the freedom to speak my mind without fear of incarceration or execution. In Libya, I learned to censor myself when I spoke.


That's why it was exhilarating to see and hear the people of Libya speaking out against the regime of Moammar Gadhafi. Every person on the street I met had a personal story of how he or a relative or friend or neighbor had been imprisoned or killed by the Gadhafi regime for saying the wrong thing. For the first time in their lives they could say aloud, "Enough. We can't take any more. Give us justice, freedom and dignity."


As one woman in tears told me at a demonstration, "Never in my life did I imagine this would happen. The Libyan people are alive for the first time in 42 years."


Since I've returned from Libya, I have been disheartened to hear many people call the U.S. intervention a mistake. When U.N. Resolution 1973 was passed, I was filled with hope for the future of my family and friends, and for Libya as a whole. The morning after its passage, I felt my heart break as I learned that Gadhafi's forces had entered Benghazi and were nearing my family's house. And then the air strikes began, saving thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of lives in Benghazi. If the resolution had passed
even a day later, the city would have been massacred; my family would likely be dead.



U.S. intervention gave Libyans renewed trust in and respect for America. It gave them the hope and energy to continue their battle for justice and democracy. Most importantly, it saved many of their lives.

...


Many Americans may not know this, but in Benghazi, my family and thousands upon thousands of others, held a "thank you" rally after the air strikes began.


I, also, am thankful.



Nadia Abraibesh traveled to Libya to visit family after her graduation from Linfield College last spring. In Benghazi, she got caught up in the revolution, joined freedom rallies and acted as an informal interpreter for Western journalists. She will soon serve with Teach for America.


http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2011/04/intervention_in_libya_saved_th.html







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 12:57 PM
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60. Family of missing S.A. photog angry to learn diplomats didn't raise the issue with Gaddafi on visit
According to The Mail & Guardian, a spokesperson for South African President Jacob Zuma said that release of noted photographer Anton Hammerl "could not have been discussed" due to the the focus of the visit on the African Union's "roadmap" for peace.


Hammerl reportedly went missing near Brega last week with three other journalists: Clare Morgana Gillis of TheAtlantic.com; James Foley, a freelance reporter with GlobalPost.com; and Spanish photographer Manu Brabo.


One foreign journalist in Tripoli said he spotted both Gillis and Foley in a Tripoli prison, according to GlobalPost.com.


Hammerl's wife said she had been in contact with S.A. government officials since last Thursday and "we were led to believe that it would be raised by them" during the AU delegation's visit to Libya.


The M&G reports that The South African government has now turned to the U.S. for help in finding Hammerl. A U.S. Embassy spokesperson confirmed on Tuesday that "we have received a request for assistance from the South African government."


U.S. interests in Libya have been represented by Turkey since the American Embassy in Tripoli was "reconstituted" to Washington, D.C. February 25. U.S. Ambassador to Libya Gene A. Cretz and his staff currently work out of offices at the State Department.






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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 01:08 PM
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62. Link :-)
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 01:32 PM
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64. Thanks, Tabatha
I omitted it because I didn't want to give the impression that what I had written was was taken verbatim from the G&M story.

I've been meaning for some time to look up a style guide for the net. Maybe I should do that now. :)


:hi:





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 01:06 PM
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61. Qatar has marketed a million barrels of crude oil on behalf of Libya's Transitional National Council
Al Jazeera reports:

Qatar has marketed a million barrels of crude oil on behalf of Libya's Transitional National Council - including two shipments from Tobruk - and has delivered four shipments of petroleum products - including diesel, gasoline and LPG Butane, to the eastern port of Benghazi.


An official at Qatar's Ministry of Energy and Industry said the shipments to Benghai were delivered swiftly through the seaport "after intensive deliberations with concerned consumers, to provide quick assistance to the Libyan people".


Qatar will continue to offer support to to the Arabian Gulf Oil Company (AGOCO) in marketing and selling Libyan oil, the official told Qatar News Agency.


7:15pm:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-12-0





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 01:20 PM
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63. Rebels Appeal for NATO to Break Qaddafi’s Siege of Misrata

Source: Bloomberg News





Rebels Appeal for NATO to Break Qaddafi’s Siege of Misrata


April 12, 2011, 1:13 PM EDT


By Maher Chmaytelli


April 12 (Bloomberg) -- Libya rebels appealed for NATO to use “all necessary measures” to avert an “anticipated massacre of men, women and children” in the city of Misrata, which is under attack by Muammar Qaddafi’s forces.


The Interim Transitional National Council, the main opposition group, called for the United Nations to declare the besieged city an “internationally protected zone,” and said in a statement that “the Qaddafi regime is accelerating attacks on Misrata, using Grad missiles, in preparation for a potentially devastating assault on the city.”


The appeal reflects the dire situation in Libya’s third largest city as NATO has been unable to stop the artillery attacks and sniper fire out of concern that air strikes in the city would inadvertently kill civilians. France and the U.K. are calling for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization to do more, exposing rifts within the alliance about how to respond to the crisis.

...


Naser Al Kikly, the rebel administration’s coordinator for humanitarian affairs, urged NATO countries to step up attacks on Qaddafi’s forces, rather than negotiate with his government on how to get aid to the city. Qaddafi’s government vowed to “confront anyone trying to get close to Misrata under the pretext of humanitarian aid,” state television said yesterday, according to Al Arabiya television.


“There should be no illusion that Qaddafi could agree to allow humanitarian aid to enter Misrata,” he said in a phone interview today. “Qaddafi is trying to capture the port in order to cut off all humanitarian supplies. NATO should concentrate its effort on preventing him from doing that.”

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http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-04-12/rebels-appeal-for-nato-to-break-qaddafi-s-siege-of-misrata.html







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 02:15 PM
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67. Misrata pounded amid calls for NATO to step up strikes

Source: CNN





Misrata pounded amid calls for NATO to step up strikes


By the CNN Wire Staff


April 12, 2011 -- Updated 1619 GMT (0019 HKT)



Tripoli, Libya (CNN) -- Moammar Gadhafi's military machine pounded the western city of Misrata again Tuesday as France and Britain called for beefed up NATO airstrikes to stop such attacks on the Libyan people.


Witnesses reported heavy shelling in central Misrata, besieged for weeks and the scene of some of the worst fighting in the Libyan conflict.


Abu Bakr, a medical worker who did not want his full name used for security reasons, said shells were hitting very close to a makeshift clinic in the city center. He said at least 10 people were injured, maybe more.


Rebel fighter Moaath al-Misrati told CNN the shelling came after rebels killed several of Gadhafi's snipers. "We are expecting a ground offensive by the Gadhafi forces any time now," he said.


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http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/04/12/libya.war/








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 02:32 PM
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68. Libyan air strikes prompt Nato rift with Britain and France

Source: The Guardian





Libyan air strikes prompt Nato rift with Britain and France


William Hague and Alain Juppé press for intensified military action against Gaddafi but Nato rejects criticism



Harriet Sherwood in Tripoli and Richard Norton-Taylor
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 12 April 2011 19.32 BST


A potential rift in the international coalition behind air strikes against Muammar Gaddafi's forces has emerged after Britain and France demanded the intensification of military action in the key battle fronts around Ajdabiya in the east of the country and Misrata in the west.

...


In a briefing in Brussels, Brigadier-General Mark van Uhm insisted Nato's actions were having an effect, but warned that Gaddafi's forces were adapting to the air strikes. "I think with the assets we have we are doing a great job … The arms embargo is in effect, the no-fly zone is effective. We are protecting the civilians. So we are executing our mission," he said.



"Pro-Gaddafi forces cannot fight where they want, they cannot fight how they want, and they cannot use the weapons they want. Nothing indicates, however, that Gaddafi has any intention of disengaging from operations."


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"Because (Gaddafi's) heavy weapons systems have been hit hard over the last few days, we expect pro-regime forces to favour hit-and-run tactics by motorised columns of pickup trucks to wear out opposition forces psychologically rather than gain ground," he said.

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In Misrata, heavy fighting continued, according to rebels, who claimed they had repelled two separate offensives by Gaddafi's troops. Hundreds of civilians have been reported killed since the battle for control of the city began more than six weeks ago.


In the strategically important city of Ajdabiya, government forces withdrew west towards Brega, according to Nato. "The confrontation line is once again between Ajdabiyah and Brega," said Uhm.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/12/libya-air-strikes-nato-europe








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 02:37 PM
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69. Opposition asking France, Italy and Qatar for weapons
From Al Jazeera:

Anti-Gaddafi fighters have asked France, Italy and Qatar for weapons, says Transitional Council spokesman Abdel Hafiz Ghoga.


We have submitted a list of military and technical equipment we need ...

Obviously we've been asking the countries that have already recognised the national transitional council as the sole representative for Libya.



8:20pm:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-12-0





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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 02:52 PM
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71. EU extends sanctions against Libya
LUXEMBOURG, April 12 (Reuters) - The European Union agreed on Tuesday to extend sanctions against Libya, imposing an asset freeze on 26 companies and two people in its effort to force Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi to relinquish power.

The additional measures include 11 energy companies, the last remaining in Libya's oil and gas sector that had not faced sanctions before, and bring the total number of firms punished by EU measures to 46.

Thirty eight people from Gaddafi's inner circle also face a ban on travel to the EU and an asset freeze.

Following a meeting in Luxembourg, EU ministers warned Gaddafi that more punitive measures could be imposed in the future to cut off his access to cash. "Member states will continue to deprive the regime completely of all funding derived from exports of oil and gas," they said in a statement. "(They) will take additional measures as necessary."

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE73B23O20110412?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0&sp=true
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 02:55 PM
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72. FACTBOX-Latest military activity in Libya
April 12 (Reuters) - Following are latest available details of military activity in Libya. For full Reuters coverage of Libya, please see:

* Libyan rebels reported heavy fighting in the besieged city of Misrata on Tuesday and France said NATO must step up bombing to stop Muammar Gaddafi's forces attacking civilians. Rebels said they beat back two separate offensives by Gaddafi's troops.

* Brigadier-General Mark van Uhm of NATO's military staff said opposition forces had retaken control of Ajdabiyah on Monday, two days after being driven to the northern edge of the city.

He said Misrata remained under pressure. Gaddafi's forces had withdrawn heavy weapons from some neighbourhoods but continued shelling and they had also attacked several areas in the Zintan region southwest of Tripoli.

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE73B26Q20110412
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 02:58 PM
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73. Gulf Arabs want Arab summit cancelled - Bahrain
DUBAI, April 12 (Reuters) - Gulf Arab states have asked the Arab League to cancel a summit scheduled to be held in Baghdad in May, the Bahraini foreign minister said on Tuesday, after Iraq criticised Bahrain's crackdown on Shi'ite protesters.

"GCC (Gulf Cooperation Council), in a letter to the Arab League secretary general, asks for cancellation of planned Arab summit in Iraq," Sheikh Khaled bin Ahmed al-Khalifa said in a Twitter posting.

The Arab summit was originally scheduled to be held in Iraq in March, but was delayed until May due to the unrest that has gripped several countries in the Middle East.

A heavy-handed security crackdown by Bahrain's Sunni rulers on Sh'ite protesters has sparked criticism from Iraq, Iran and Shi'ite groups such as Hezbollah in Lebanon, adding to tensions between Sunni Gulf countries and their Shi'ite-led neighbours in the world's top oil-exporting region.

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE73B21T20110412
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 03:00 PM
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74. WRAPUP 6-Ivory Coast army chiefs swear loyalty to Ouattara
ABIDJAN, April 12 (Reuters) - Army chiefs who fought for Ivory Coast's former leader Laurent Gbagbo pledged their loyalty to his rival Alassane Ouattara on Tuesday, helping the chances of an end to conflict a day after his forces captured Gbagbo. Gbagbo's arrest on Monday ended a four-month power struggle that had descended into all-out conflict.

But Ouattara -- recognised internationally as the West African nation's president -- now faces a huge task reuniting a divided country.

In a boost to his legitimacy, Ouattara won the backing of Gbagbo's former military top brass, his TCI television station said.

It said that Philippe Mangou, Gbagbo's former army chief of staff, as well as "all the generals of the ground, air and navy forces" had sworn their loyalty to Ouattara.

http://af.reuters.com/article/ivoryCoastNews/idAFLDE73A2CP20110412?sp=true
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 03:02 PM
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75. INTERVIEW-Piracy biggest threat to southern Africa security
CAPE TOWN, April 12 (Reuters) - South Africa believes Somali pirates, and not political instability in Zimbabwe, pose the biggest threat to security in southern Africa, its defence minister said on Tuesday. The pirates, spurred on by multi-million-dollar ransoms paid to release hijacked vessels along a key oil shipping route, have struck further south, threatening regional commerce and trade from Africa's largest economy, Lindiwe Sisulu told Reuters.

"At the moment, we think that the issue of piracy is beginning to be a serious problem to us ... We have defined maritime security as a threat to the region," Sisulu said in an interview.

South Africa, which operates the continent's most sophisticated navy, has already deployed the German-built frigate SAS Mendi to patrol the Mozambique channel in the Indian Ocean as a deterrent following a pirate incursion close to South African territorial waters late last year.

"A great deal of our trade takes place on the sea and we've got to make sure we protect that," Sisulu said.

http://af.reuters.com/article/ivoryCoastNews/idAFLDE73B1TS20110412
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 03:12 PM
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76. Qaddafi's crediblity gap






Qaddafi's crediblity gap


The day after African Union leaders said Muammar Qaddafi agreed to a cease-fire, he resumed shelling two Libyan towns.



By Dan Murphy, Staff writer / April 12, 2011



A cease-fire promise that South African President Jacob Zuma claimed Libya's Muammar Qaddafi made two days ago has been decisively broken, with Qaddafi's forces shelling two rebel-held cities today.


The violence marks the third time that Qaddafi has violated a cease-fire offer almost as soon as it's been made, and underscores the lack of credibility he and his family have with the rebellion. The man who Zuma called "Brother Leader" on Monday is a despised figure throughout the Libyan east, where the daily death toll of his attacks are added to the thousands of his political opponents murdered during his 41-year reign.


Witnesses today reported artillery fire at the western gate of Ajdabiya and in the center of Misratah. Ajdabiya is the westernmost town in the rebellion's hands while Misratah is the last redoubt of resistance in Libya's west, and has weathered deadly tank and mortar fire for weeks now.


Kim Sengupta of the Independent was in Misratah yesterday and reported at least five civilians killed by an artillery barrage on the town that came within hours of Qaddafi's purported offer to Mr. Zuma and other members of an African Union delegation.

...


http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2011/0412/Qaddafi-s-crediblity-gap







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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 03:37 PM
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80. Why would Gaddafi ceasefire without the opposition agreeing to do the same?
I don't think Gaddafi agreed to a unilateral ceasefire. That's the same as saying "please, come kill me - I will not resist."
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 05:34 PM
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85. Why did Gaddafi three times prior, of his own volition,
declare a ceasefire, and then continue bombing?
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 07:02 PM
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87. No idea.
I'm not aware of the rebels ever declaring a ceasefire. Not saying they should...
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 03:19 PM
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77. Libyan rebel leadership set to reject Moussa Koussa in mediation role

Source: The Guardian





Libyan rebel leadership set to reject Moussa Koussa in mediation role


Benghazi's interim ruling council unimpressed by former foreign minister's scaremongering speech in Doha



Chris McGreal in Benghazi
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 12 April 2011 20.20 BST



If Moussa Koussa wanted to win the confidence of the revolutionary leadership in Benghazi to act as a mediator in Libya's uprising he would have done well not to have warned that the country risks becoming a "new Somalia". Libya's rebel leadership scoffs at what it regards as scaremongering by Koussa in his statement, read on the BBC, which also called for a democratic dialogue in order to avoid the division of the country. All of that sounded remarkably like the views of Gaddafi's son, Saif al-Islam, to the rebels.


Koussa did not say that Gaddafi should resign, raising questions for the rebels about how far the former foreign minister has distanced himself from the regime and his value as a mediator, after Britain permitted him to travel to Doha for an international conference on the future of Libya that includes members of the revolutionary leadership.


...Essam Gheriani, a member of the revolutionary coalition, said that he could not see any role for Gaddafi's former foreign minister.


"If he tries to act as mediator, it's going to be futile, a wasted effort. Our conditions have been repeated more than once by the provisional council that any proposal would have to include the removal of the Gaddafi family altogether and their departure from Libya. That is the only proposal that would even be considered for negotiations," he said. "I do not think that any mediation role between our forces and the Gaddafi regime would be considered. There's no way."


...


That scepticism is likely to be reinforced by Koussa's statement calling for a dialogue between the rebels and the regime, which the revolutionary council views as an attempt to buy time by Gaddafi.

...


The revolutionary council has previously said that it believes Koussa should pay for his crimes, in particular as intelligence chief when he allegedly ran a hit squad to murder Gaddafi opponents in exile.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/12/libya-rebels-reject-moussa-koussa







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 03:34 PM
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78. Libya: Moussa Koussa to play key role at Qatar summit--The Telegraph
The Telegraph's headline seems at odds with The Guardian's story, but the story does indicate that there are serious questions as to how much of a 'key role' Mr. Koussa will play:



Moussa Koussa has departed Britain to play a key role on Tuesday at a summit in Qatar called to forge a blueprint for regime change in Libya.

...


For the first time at a coalition meeting the Transitional National Council will have a place at the table but rebels will demand why Mr Koussa, a man with "blood on his hands", is involved in the first international talks on Libya's future.

"I think they owe us that," said Mustafa Gherani, a rebel spokesman. "He is the black box of Gaddafi's regime, holding many dark secrets about the government's misdeeds."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8446233/Libya-Moussa-Koussa-to-play-key-role-at-Qatar-summit.html







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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 05:36 PM
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86. This was the whole point of his "defection".
He is a snake like Gaddafi. He is going to promise the earth, and then fail to deliver.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 03:58 PM
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81. An animated map of protests in the Middle East
The Arab Powder Keg
An animated map of protests in the Middle East as they spread from country to country, updated with the most recent events.
By Elizabeth Weingarten and Chris WilsonUpdated Monday, April 11, 2011, at 4:39 PM ET

The protests that drove Hosni Mubarak out of power in Egypt were only the beginning of a wave of civil unrest that has boiled over into nearly all of the Middle East. Tunisia had already driven longtime President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali from office, and by the beginning of February, unrest had spread to Jordan, Lebanon, and Sudan. Many more countries were to follow. This map depicts the tides of protests and government retaliations day by day, beginning in Tunisia and ending with the unresolved conflict in Libya. You can click through the days one by one with the green arrows or choose "Autoplay." To get the big picture, just turn off the info boxes and crank up the speed.

http://www.slate.com/id/2288928/

Pretty neat map, although some shortfalls indicated in comments.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 04:00 PM
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82. CURRENT TIME IN LIBYA = 11 PM TUESDAY, APRIL 12
Libya time = EDT +6 hours, PDT +9 hours, GMT +2 hours





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 04:21 PM
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83. Libya rebels repel offensives on Misurata


Source: Al Jazeera





Libya rebels repel offensives on Misurata


Widespread fighting continues, as NATO comes under pressure to step up its military campaign against Gaddafi's forces.



Last Modified: 12 Apr 2011 20:11


A fierce battle continued over the course of Tuesday as Libyan government artillery pounded the besieged city of Misurata and further shelling targeted the cities of Zintan and Ajdabiya.

...


"There was heavy fighting in Tripoli Street and the rebels held their positions. Also, very intense fighting occurred on the eastern side of Misurata on the Nak el Theqeel road. The rebels repelled the attack," a spokesman who identified himself as Mohamad Abu Shaara told Reuters by telephone.

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"The pro-Gaddafi forces located north of the town fired mortar rounds from pick-up trucks at Zintan. Fortunately only one person was wounded in the attack," said the spokesman named Abdulrahman.

...


Further east, Al Jazeera's Sue Turton, reporting from the western entrance to Ajdabiya, said that position had come under fire.


"We are not sure if the shelling came from the south, the direction from which this area attacked a few days ago, or a position further along the Brega road, where we know Gaddafi forces are positioned," she said.


More w/ video report:
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/04/2011412184330248584.html








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 04:31 PM
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84. Despite NATO rift, US holds to limited Libya role


MATTHEW LEE and RAF CASERT, Associated Press


Tuesday, April 12, 2011


(04-12) 14:21 PDT WASHINGTON, (AP) --


Despite rebel setbacks and an increasingly public rift with NATO allies, the U.S. will stick to its plan to remain in the back seat of the Libya air campaign, the Obama administration insisted Tuesday after three weeks of air missions that have failed to turn the tide against Moammar Gadhafi.


France's defense minister declared that without full American participation, the West probably would not be able to stop attacks by Gadhafi loyalists on besieged rebel cities.


U.S. officials said they were comfortable with their role and had no plans to step up involvement, even as British and French officials said Washington's military might was needed to ensure the mission's success. The Americans said NATO could carry out the operation without a resumption of the heavy U.S. efforts that kicked it off last month.


"The president and this administration believes that NATO, and the coalition of which we remain a partner, is capable of fulfilling that mission of enforcing the no-fly zone, enforcing the arms embargo and providing civilian protection," White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters.

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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/04/12/national/w134202D66.DTL#ixzz1JLYpg2xW












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88. Day 55 here:
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