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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:19 AM Original message |
Good Effing grief!! Mom drives van into river, killing self and 3 kids |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:22 AM Response to Original message |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:34 AM Response to Reply #1 |
30. So who the hell, in your estimation, sinned here? That boy who |
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Gidney N Cloyd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #30 |
76. Thanks for this. That was a stunningly bad misapplication of scripture. |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:14 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. I'm still shuddering at the crassness |
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tallahasseedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:23 AM Response to Original message |
2. She might have been dealing with... |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:24 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Her youngest child was 11 months |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:27 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. If left untreated, postpartum depression can last for months or years. n/t |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:11 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Seriously didn't know that |
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babydollhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:33 AM Response to Reply #8 |
29. I had it for two years, didn't laugh, smile, or cut my hair |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:43 AM Response to Reply #29 |
33. I'm sorry that happened to you. |
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babydollhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Thank you. I didn't realize it until I was happy again. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #38 |
100. Glad you recovered |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #29 |
53. It's different for each person who gets it, too. |
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babydollhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #53 |
90. yes. there is medication to help acknowledge the boot straps |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #90 |
99. Of course it's a big deal... |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:52 AM Response to Reply #8 |
37. And, of course, in this country, everyone has "access" to treatment. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:20 AM Response to Reply #37 |
47. Unfortunately many don't, and many won't due to the stigma of "mental illness" |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:27 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Could be |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:35 AM Response to Reply #2 |
13. You sure are quick to give her the benefit of the doubt |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:49 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. I'm a bit surprised no one here has blamed the husband yet. |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:01 AM Response to Reply #16 |
22. My guess is the older child had a different father than the others. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:04 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. That was my guess as well |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:51 AM Response to Reply #22 |
69. We are wrong |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #69 |
86. So sad. n/t |
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Beaverhausen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 02:10 PM Response to Reply #69 |
95. oh my god that poor little boy |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:53 AM Response to Reply #13 |
18. People who are sympathetic to people with mental illness and distress |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:58 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Where in the article was there any mention of mental illness? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:59 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. What does the article have to do with it? |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:03 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. The man got the benefit of the doubt because he didn't kill his children |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:05 AM Original message |
What man are you even talking about? |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
26. You said: |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:12 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. No, I was talking about the article about the man who killed his family. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:05 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. What man are you even talking about? |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:50 AM Response to Reply #19 |
36. She killed herself and three kids. |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #19 |
42. There wasn't any but... |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #42 |
87. +1 |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:16 AM Response to Reply #19 |
44. She killed herself & 3 kids and wasn't mentally ill? Bless your little heart. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:49 AM Response to Reply #18 |
35. Anyone who murders a child to "win" an argument is by definition mentally ill |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:00 AM Response to Reply #35 |
41. These "imagine if it were the dad" arguments are simply fallacious. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:17 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. "have never known a single person who is sympathetic to mental illness arguments who has ever..." |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:22 AM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Thanks. There's even a case |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:28 AM Response to Reply #41 |
55. Not at all |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Yeah, well |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:49 AM Response to Reply #57 |
67. Yes, that's the most likely cause |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Oh, is that what were were arguing? |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:53 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Let's see |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:58 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. No, I know exactly what happened here. It's pretty common. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Point is |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:08 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. OH really? |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Ahem |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Were we talking about sentencing? |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Sentencing is a reflection of how society views |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:22 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. It can be. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Really? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:34 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. Look, I'm not the one who came into a thread and accused someone of a double standard. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 01:57 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. I didn't point to any one person |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #89 |
94. No one supports murder. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. Actually, go ahead and post it |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 02:17 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. You just have this cartoonish view of people. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 03:18 PM Response to Reply #97 |
103. "Because all women who want equal rights aren't monsters." |
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tallahasseedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #55 |
60. Do you even read the shit that you write? |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:49 AM Response to Reply #60 |
66. What are you talking about? |
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tallahasseedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:29 AM Response to Reply #35 |
56. Equality for all! |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:40 AM Response to Reply #13 |
32. If the father had done this... |
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tallahasseedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:28 AM Response to Reply #32 |
54. That's exactly... |
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tallahasseedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:23 AM Response to Reply #13 |
51. You sure are quick to talk out your ass... |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #13 |
85. And you are quick to judge |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #13 |
104. to my knowledge, father's don't have enormous hormonal swings following childbirth. |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:23 AM Response to Original message |
3. just saw that, how sad |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
4. I hope that 10-year-old gets the help he'll need. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:30 AM Response to Reply #4 |
28. Amen to that.. He will spend his life beating himself up over the fact |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:25 AM Response to Original message |
6. I guess she finally got the last word in the 'argument' |
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Lefta Dissenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:28 AM Response to Original message |
9. . |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
10. Do they think it was intentional or was she just angry and not paying attention? |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:44 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. I was wondering about the ten-year-old as well... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:47 AM Response to Reply #12 |
34. It is interesting how much sympathy the mom is recieving |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:18 AM Response to Reply #34 |
46. delete |
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tallahasseedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:31 AM Response to Reply #34 |
58. You have some serious issues with women. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:32 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. It's a common theme with the anti-feminist/men's rights movement. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:50 AM Response to Reply #58 |
68. error, conclusion does not follow logically from data |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 02:42 PM Response to Reply #68 |
101. so we won't find you in the Women;s forum. shitting all over threads there? |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 03:18 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Nope |
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davidthegnome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:46 AM Response to Original message |
15. I have sympathy for the children |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:24 AM Response to Reply #15 |
52. With all due respect, PTSD is quite different than depression. |
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davidthegnome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:46 AM Response to Reply #52 |
65. It depends on the case |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 02:28 PM Response to Reply #65 |
98. Once again, it is not the same. |
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FLPanhandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
17. Who knew the old "If you kids don't stop arguing, I'm driving right off this bridge" |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
21. Susan Smith all over again. |
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babydollhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:35 AM Response to Reply #21 |
31. "I am going to go Susan Smith" was code word for HELP |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:55 AM Response to Reply #31 |
39. I have used that phrase in my journal |
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babydollhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #39 |
93. I'm glad you kept your kids. |
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tallahasseedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:37 AM Response to Reply #21 |
61. I don't know about that... |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:44 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. I agree. I think Susan Smith was just a straight up cold blooded killer. |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
40. 25 years old with 4 kids. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:03 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. It's a horrific story |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:23 AM Response to Reply #40 |
50. She was 14 when she got pregnant the first time? What an all around tragic tale. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:58 AM Response to Reply #50 |
75. I don't understand the fighting |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
48. What a tragedy! People who place sole blame on mom need to look at these things... |
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tallahasseedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:38 AM Response to Reply #48 |
62. It truly is sad... |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:41 AM Response to Reply #48 |
63. I agree. |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #48 |
73. I blame Bush. |
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Kadie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
72. . |
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Modern_Matthew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
91. Sad story. The overanalyzing is unneccessary. nt |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
92. i dont know much about this one. there are stories i have empathy for mother, and there are stories |
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