It was a damned fine speech, if only we could believe a word of it.

[originalpckelly]

I am not stupid enough to fall for this shit again, and until the tax cuts are repealed, I just don't want to hear it. He lied to us the first time. He might as well have said, "read my lips, no new tax cuts for the rich."

When do the tax cuts come up for renewal?
You ready for it? You know when.

After the 2012 election, in December of 2012.

So he can lie his ass off during the election, and fuck us over again right after the elections.

AND if you don't believe me, READ IT YOURSELF!

Page 3 of H.R. 4853, the bill that extended the tax cuts for everyone, INCLUDING THE RICH!!!!
"TITLE I—TEMPORARY EXTENSION OF
TAX RELIEF
SEC. 101. TEMPORARY EXTENSION OF 2001 TAX RELIEF.
(a) TEMPORARY EXTENSION.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Section 901 of the Economic Growth and
Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 is amended by striking
‘December 31, 2010’ both places it appears and inserting
‘December 31, 2012’."
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr4853enr/pdf/BILLS-111hr4853enr.pdf

"Oh, no, I won't let them have tax cuts..."
"HAHAHA sucker!"

They can pull the same shit all over again on us. Lying to us so we'll elect them, and then fucking us over.

Well, I'm not that stupid.

[Cronus Protagonist]

1. Obama has lost our trust

And his credibility is shot.

[OregonBlue]

5. He's lost your trust. Please don't speak for me.

[originalpckelly]

7. And what guarantee do you have that he won't renew the rich tax cuts?

Anything?

Bueller?

[krawhitham]

14. And what guarantee do you have that sun will come up tomorrow

[originalpckelly]

19. The sun will probably rise tomorrow, it's reliable...

it's been doing that shit for more than a billion years. I think we can trust the sun.

However, a man is not as reliable. Especially someone who can't negotiate. He's all hot air and there's nothing really there.

I'm tired of this crap. At this time in our history, we need action, not hollow promises. If he was so against the tax cuts for the rich, why doesn't he get a Congressional ally to introduce a bill ending them after 2011? That would really prove to us he's against them.

[krawhitham]

23. I'm sorry you can not see the end game

Truly I'm sorry

[Solomon]

47. Why did you even bother to listen since it's obvious it wouldn't

have mattered to you what he said?

Oh, wait, I get it now. You were expecting him to confirm that he's cutting social security and throwing poor people under the bus. Then you would have crowed, "told ya so." Gotten your jollies.

But because he said something good, you win anyway because it doesn't matter what he says. Right? Right.

[originalpckelly]

49. With Obama, it's not about the words, it's about the actions.

He talks the talk, then doesn't walk the walk.

[Cronus Protagonist]

15. OK, you're excluded

Although I think you might ask yourself if you're being a little Pollyanna-ish, given his past performance on his "promises" and "commitments", which mostly have turned out to be composed simply of hot air; vibrating gas molecules.

[bobbolink]

18. He lost MY trust a long time ago... and everyone I talk with feels the same.

[Bluerthanblue]

not me Bobbolink-

but you have the right to your own feelings.

Personally, I can't join you on this, but there is much we do agree on.

:hi:

[bobbolink]

50. Well, that is fine... but what are you going to do when the deaths from these bad

policies start in big numbers?

(That, of course, is assuming that the deaths get noticed.)

I keep saying "Does it matter?" because I have the deep-seated feeling that it truly does NOT matter.

[Bluerthanblue]

51. it does matter. And I believe that what was proposed today

is seeking to stop what would be completely destructive policies.

If the GOP pushes Ryans proposals, there is no question that people will suffer even more than they are now.

I'm going to keep pushing and trying to make things better. Just as I know you are doing as well.

People matter to me. Especially the people that others pretend not to notice, and like to blame for difficult situations they are forced to endure.

:hug:

[bobbolink]

52. Well, Blu, you know I deeply respect and love you. We are going to have to agree to disagree on

this. I will hope that you are RIGHT on this one, and that I am wrong.

But I no longer trust him. Forked tongue and all that.

It is clear that the Democratic party gave up on poverty decades ago, and I don't see Obama as someone who will STAND UP and LEAD the Dems to do the right thing. He will follow, maybe, if there are Dems (in office) who push him..... *maybe*.

You know this because we have talked.... There are 4 men here at DU who I know who cannot work, who are dependent on assistance for their very survival, and all of them have expressed to me that they no longer have any hope of weathering this. NONE.

And that is just plain crap for this to happen under a Dem power (and you know that for two years the Dems had Congress and the Oval.)

I mention the men, because it is even harder for MEN to not be able to work.. their identity is so often wrapped up in what they have "done", rather than who they are. Yet, the Dems can only say "workers" and "middleclass". People like these male DUers are INVISIBLE, and that is extremely hurtful to them! Frankly, just that kind of language WILL result in some men in this country taking their lives, because they already feel badly enough about no longer being able to work. Please, allow that to sink in.

I had to recognize over a year ago that I won't survive this mess. I can't even tell you the things that go through my head when I think of that.... I mostly have to go into denial because I can't handle it.

Yet, what I see, to be honest (and I think we are friends enough that I can be honest, as you have) is that those who back the president cannot and will not see this reality. It is like what Elie Wiesel describes as The Peril Of Indifference. That Indifference renders us less than human, which hurts even more than being denigrated.

You say that you will work for this, and I appreciate that. But, I have to tell you..... the window of survival is closing for many of us. The time is NOW, and I, frankly, don't see any real movement.

:cry: :pals: :cry:

[Bandit]

27. I am sure there are still some that hang on every word but he lost my trust as well.

I heard him say he would fight to restore those Bush* tax cuts for the wealthy and then he caved. As Bush* would say "fool me once, can't be fooled again"

[AngryAmish]

44. Can I speak for you?

[Dappleganger]

26. +10000

[LynneSin]

31. He lost your trust. You are not the speaker for everyone

I do appreciate your viewpoint but it's not 'OUR' viewpoint.

Thank you

[Carolina]

35. exactly, I can't even listen to his BS

any more.

[dionysus]

2. bless your little heart.

[PBS Poll-435]

3. When are the hamsters going to quit screaming into a paper bag?

I really want to know.

[markpkessinger]

6. You can denigrate people all you want....

...but Obama has only himself to blame for the loss of trust in his words.

[Name removed]

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[originalpckelly]

22. And there you go.

His hand in Congress is even weaker now than it was then, and he says he can do better?

Don't you see how full of crap he really is?

[krawhitham]

29. I see you as what you are

This president got more done in two year than most ever get done in 8 years, but yet you refuse too admit it


I wonder why that is?

[markpkessinger]

32. I was opposed to ALL tax cuts in the current environment n/t

[Thunderstruck]

4. He had me all the way up until he started talking about working with the Regressives...

I'm going to give your post a rec because I think your point cannot be denied.

[Taverner]

8. Yes, exactly what I was thinking

Of course he could mean everything he said, and it still wouldn't make a difference

Raise taxes on the rich? They'll find a way out of it. They'll find a loophole.

Green energy programs? Just watch the film "Who Killed the Electric Car?" and you'll see how interested our country is in green jobs.

[MineralMan]

9. Feh! You're not helping.

Let's help make this happen, not continue to stand in the way, OK?

[originalpckelly]

11. No, what's not helping is breaking your word...

then expecting us to trust you again.

He can't make any promises worth while, he's not the only player in the government. He could be honest and say he'd try, but then again, I could try to turn into Brad Pitt, it doesn't mean it's going to happen.

[MineralMan]

30. What word did I break?

I said I would no longer enter threads where someone was quoting some other detractor. You weren't quoting. You were writing in your own words. My promise about that is that I will enter threads like this one and speak my mind.

Get it right, please. I'm breaking nothing.

[originalpckelly]

46. Obama, it's common thing in our language in modern times to break the rules...

and say "you" when one means another person, rather than the person you're talking to.

[William769]

10. I will give him the benefit of doubt.

What other choice do I have?

[Angry Dragon]

12. There is no election to hide behind this time

Something has to be produced before 2012 or he is lost.

I am the first to attack someone for lies and corruption.
I say let this play out for awhile, let the battles begin and see is going to fight
the honorable fight.
Call and write your congress people and make them take a stand.

[originalpckelly]

13. Let me get this right:

They now have fewer Democrats in Congress than when they couldn't get through a bill without tax cuts for the rich, and the very same President, and you expect the result to be different?

If anything, they'll have to cave sooner this time, because the Republicans control the House.

[Angry Dragon]

25. A little background

I feel he has lied to me, he is not the person I voted for.
He changed from the campaigner to the president.
I feel he is a very weak president and fighter.

I do not feel he has the fire in his belly for a fight.
That said

I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and see if he
has learned anything. I have nothing to lose, up to the election.
If he caves this country is screwed.
If he fights hard and goes not get what he promised, then this country is screwed.
The last way draws the battle lines for the election.
I can not blame a person for fighting for something and loses.
If they do not fight to match their words I can then attack them.

[Taverner]

16. I bring you my feelings in a song...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x573005

[mfcorey1]

17. I believe him and I support him! nt

[JoePhilly]

21. Angry that the breathless DU predictions of Obama announcing huge SS cuts were wrong?

:rofl:

[originalpckelly]

24. How's that public option?

Who knew the fierce urgency of now meant 4 years from now in the future.

[JoePhilly]

34. Hey look ... its a moose.

When wrong HERE ... point over THERE.

[originalpckelly]

37. No, I'm just trying to establish a pattern of broken promises.

[JoePhilly]

45. The fact that he could not get enough Dems in the Senate to

support a PO has nothing to do with this.

But that is how the outrage game is played. Any item can be used to DISCOUNT any other.

For instance, we DID get coverage for pre-existing conditions, we didn't get the PO ... therefore HCR is terrible. Just ignore what we did get.

And this model works not only for related items, you can grab them from anywhere ... so lack of PO negates anything else.

Of course the point is that those screaming that today was the day on which he'd announce these cuts were wrong. They made the same prediction during the State of the Union too. And they were wrong then too.

But that doesn't matter. We didn't get a PO, and so we can ignore the manufactured outrage about a prediction that has been wrong at least twice now.

[originalpckelly]

48. No, it does, it shows that he can't get things done.

And he can't make promises and keep them, because of course, we don't want to have a system where one man makes all the decisions.

However, it is odd how past President's could do big things, even with that kind of a more deliberative system.

[Carolina]

40. Exactly

He didn't even fight for the public option yet he said he wouldn't sign any bill that didn't include one.

And that fierce urgency was a joke.

[originalpckelly]

41. I sure as hell don't want to know what his defninition of a week is.

I might have to wait the rest of my life to find that shit out.

[Dappleganger]

28. Pretty words.

[Maru Kitteh]

33. "We?"

He ain't perfect - but I stand with the President.

[slackmaster]

36. I say it sucked because I didn't hear a word of it, and haven't seen a word of it yet

Some of us actually have jobs that require our physical presence and attention.

[originalpckelly]

38. What I watched would have been inspirational...

had he not done things in the last couple of years that would lead you to believe he's a weak leader.

[slackmaster]

42. I'm glad you enjoyed it

Maybe I'll have a chance to see it tonight, if time permits.

[Tx4obama]

56. Here ya go

Video of full speech here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x573091

p.s. and in the comments area there there is a also a link for the summary of the plan that was posted on the White House website today.

[madamesilverspurs]

39. pppphhhhfffftttt

[Bluerthanblue]

43. you're speaking for yourself not for me.

[bobbolink]

54. Well, now... after replying to you, and now seeing how you REALLY feel about me....

nevermind...

NO FRIEND does that to me.

Forget it. Go take your criticism and superiority and ....

Goodbye.

[Shagbark Hickory]

53. Well I +!'d ya. Sorry everbody else forgot about the last 2 years.

[JTFrog]

55. Oh Noes!!! Headsplodations!!! n/t

[Tx4obama]

57. Fact Sheet from the White House

FACT SHEET: The President's Framework for Shared Prosperity and Shared Fiscal Responsibility
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/04/13/fact-sheet-presidents-framework-shared-prosperity-and-shared-fiscal-resp

[Raine]

58. Obama lost my trust and it's not a boomerang

words aren't enough, only action will change my mind.