Fox Nation: "The Four Questions Every Liberal Must Be Asked"

[ErikJ]

Source: Fox Nation

The Four Questions Every Liberal Must Be Asked;


December 29, 2010

The Four Questions Every Liberal Must Be Asked

Ever notice how liberals like to spend money...particularly other people's money?

If you've ever found yourself engaged in debate with a liberal in an attempt to convince him that government spending is out of control you know it's often an exercise in frustration. This is especially true when your liberal invokes his holier-than-thou conviction that the supposed good he is intent on imposing upon the world - both domestically and internationally - must trump any financial considerations you may introduce into the debate.

http://nation.foxnews.com/liberals/2010/12/29/four-questions-every-liberal-must-be-asked

No link yet.

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This is the headline article on FoxNation right now. Anybody want to give it a swing?

Remind them that 90% or $10 Trillion of the $13 Trillion National Debt was created by Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2.

Here are the 4 questions every liberal must be asked.

1) What is total spending of the federal budget?

* 2) What is the federal deficit?

* 3) What is the national debt?

*4) What was the most recent interest payment on the national debt?

[ananda]

1. OK, here's the diff.

Liberals like to spend money to help others, one for all and all for one.

Predatory rightwing corporatists like to take money from others for their
own benefit, legally or illegally, in a me for mine greed mentality.

[rurallib]

3. Plus they usually plan a revenue stream to pay for the expenditure

see Social Security and Medicare for example.
Republicans spend like they have an unending credit card with no plan to ever pay.

[Roland99]

10. Seen those bumper stickers? How do you piss off a Liberal?

"By working hard"


I want one that reads:

How do you piss off a right-wingnut?
By caring about someone besides yourself

[jwirr]

2. Which is more important to get paid off? The debt or the deficit?

[bluestate10]

47. The deficit.

The deficit has to be taken to zero or turned into a surplus for growth of debt to stop and shrink. As long as there is a deficit, national debt will grow. The last relationship is why continuing tax cuts for all but the bottom 20% of wage earners is bizarrely insane.

[jwirr]

52. Thank you.

[jtown1123]

56. It'll be really difficult to do any deficit reduction until people have jobs again.

[boppers]

60. You'd have to eliminate social security to pay off the debt.

By law, the monies paid in to the Trust Fund are part of the debt. It's also why we will have a larger than normal debt until the baby boomers pass.

[rurallib]

4. Pardon me, but this seems like a flame baiting post

I would be willing to bet you would get more accurate answers here than at freeperville.

[ErikJ]

5. Flame baiting?

I'm not sure what that means but I posted it hoping some Progressives would go to Foxnation and give these guys some education. I have to go and wont be near a computer the rest of the day.

[Hawkeye-X]

22. We liberals avoid anything Rupert Murdoch owns if we can....

That includes Fox, FoxNation FoxBiteMe, SkyB, Fox News Business, Fox Porn, etc.

Get the point?

You just want to bait us to post it where right-wing dingbat asshats that has no business breathing oxygen would attack us without any logical thinking or anything?

[blondeatlast]

27. Convenient. Perhaps next time you'll post when you can contribute something more. nt

[GoCubsGo]

37. Gotta love these hit-and-run trolls

Probably off to the Yahoo boards to pad the paycheck.

[Ilsa]

44. Perhaps if he had highlighted this comment near the end of his OP

It would make a difference? It certainly did for me:

Remind them that 90% or $10 Trillion of the $13 Trillion National Debt was created by Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2.

[bitchkitty]

62. Some people are just assholes.

Although, as the poster below said, you should have highlighted or bolded your comment about Reagan, Bush I and Bush II.

[Ruperto31]

6. Fifth question: how much did President Obama add to the national debt?

In your post you say, "Remind them that 90% or $10 Trillion of the $13 Trillion National Debt was created by Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2."

But here is a quote from CBS News. Other news sources confirm these numbers:

"New numbers posted today on the Treasury Department website show the National Debt has increased by more than $3 trillion since President Obama took office.

"The National Debt stood at $10.626 trillion the day Mr. Obama was inaugurated. The Bureau of Public Debt reported today that the National Debt had hit an all time high of $13.665 trillion.

"The Debt increased $4.9 trillion during President Bush's two terms. The Administration has projected the National Debt will soar in Mr. Obama's fourth year in office to nearly $16.5-trillion in 2012. That's more than 100 percent of the value of the nation's economy and $5.9-trillion above what it was his first day on the job."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20019931-503544.html

And let me add that most of the additional debt incurred by Obama so far has been spent to subsidize Wall Street, big business and the banks.

More evidence that we have two right wing parties in America, both of which are willing to sell our posterity down the drain to preserve the teetering capitalist system.

[ErikJ]

8. Obama is STUCK with Bushonmomics

Obama is adding to the national debt because he is still stuck with the the Trillion $ BUSH TAX CUTS, the 2 BUSH OIL WARS, BUSH'S MEDICARE PT D which will cost $1.4 TRILLION over he next decade, etc etc.
It took Clinton about 4 years to turn around the bleeding from Reagan and Bush 1.

[NewJeffCT]

9. fasle comparison - most of Obama's first year was under Bush's last budget

The federal fiscal year runs from October 1 to September 30. So, until 10/1/2009, we were operating under Bush's last budget.

The budget deficit actually decreased under Obama's first full budget from Bush's last budget. Bush's last budget clocked in at a whopping $1.5 trillion deficit, while Obama's first budget was "only" $1.3 trillion.

[Beaverhausen]

19. Isn't a lot of that due to Obama adding the cost of the wars?

I thought that Bushies didn't bother to add the cost of the wars to the deficit.

[Pholus]

7. Try this site....

http://www.scribd.com/doc/3015540/US-Budget-Deficit-or-Surplus-1960present

Have yer right wing pals read the listing of deficits and look at the biggest valleys. Ask 'em who was president.

Then ask 'em why they weren't worried at the time and imply that perhaps they're big old hypocrites.

:)

[denverbill]

11. This isn't exactly LBN. It isn't even news.

It is interesting, though, that now the tax cuts have been passed, the deficit suddenly matters again.

[freshwest]

12. The answers to all of the questions, IMHO

Is the realization that the money belongs to ALL OF US. That we are all connected.

The biggest lie of all is that private corporations, especially those who get government contracts, did it all by themselves and should get the credit and the profits. By diverting the work said to be for ALL OF US into the private sector, it's still paid for by ALL OF US.

Those who claim to have made their money off of THEIR property, THEIR innovation, THEIR work, are leaving out an essential fact. THEIR anything would not exist without the whole.

They claim to be such individualists and above the herd, but what would be their measuring stick if there was no herd, their disdainful term for everyone they seek to rise above?

The common people buy the goods, use the services that come from 'private enterprise.' That makes them shareholders, but instead they are treated as sharecroppers and the terms of their own work, their own innovation are disregarded and their rights taken by those who are unfairly granted monopoly power.

Okay, that was an incomplete rant, but it's over now...

[freshwest]

23. My recommendation is being drowned out by the un-recommends, but okay.

I don't know if this thread was intended as flame bait or a honest attempt to give us chances to respond to the garbage put out by Faux Newz.

We must have answers to these questions or the regressives will take our silence as being ashamed. We need to be practiced in answering and in their lingo. Just my opinion.

I post on other websites that are worse than Faux, but this is the language we are arguing against. We must be prepared, although often no amount of reasoning, data or call to a common cause works.

Because we're going against a mantra being pushed 24/7 in many venues. It's what elected Tea Party candidates.

It's not hopeless as some are leaving the fold of ultra-conservatism. Keep up the good work folks. Peace out.

[newspeak]

45. so, voodoo god Reagan increases the deficit by approximately 128%

Little Boot's by 89%, with one of the lowest job creations. Little Boots starts an illegal, unnecessary war to give his oil buddies the keys and feed his corporate war profiteering buddies our money and our lives. Paying billions in Iraq while getting shitty services-another words the american taxpayer is being fleeced. We're paying for rebuilding a country we bombed, and yet, some of the buildings built with our money aren't even being used because they are pieces of crap. That war has done nothing but shovel great quantities of our money into the hands of some of the greediest shysters on the planet, while forcing the Iraqi people to denationalize their oil fields for Little Boot's and Darth Cheney's best buddies. Does the average lurking teabagger actually believe that americans are going to share in the spoils? The mindless clueless should know better-it's business as usual.

Considering the FUBAR the last administration put us in, it would seem that in order to get mainstreet out of the dumps, it would naturally increase the deficit. If that was the intent. Notice I said to bail out mainstreet-that's us and what better use of our money, instead of feeding it to a bunch of sociopathic, deregulating wall street gangsters.

All of those neo-cons who apparently are afraid of their own shadows, should ask how much more government intrusion did the * administration push on the american people? All of this talk about smaller government is the biggest piece of bullshite I've heard. What they really mean is little government for protecting you against their best friends, corporate buddies. What they really mean is they really want more government for you, ya know, to keep you in line, but think that those on the top don't need to obey those silly rules and regulations. Just look how much Little Boot's has spent on things like Homeland Security, while giving more corporations (privatizing) more power. We are the government and if you allow more corporate influence on our government, then what does it become?

The hand wringing neo-cons "oh the deficit, be afraid." Well, they sure in the hell weren't afraid when they were spending like a drunken sailor-making sure their corporate buddies got billions and billions of our money, and now we, who paid the debt, are the ones who will be hurting-all of those entitlements, we're not deserving of it (even though we've paid for it). I'd rather see my hard earned money go to people who really need it, the poor, schools, communities--not to a bunch of wealthy arses feeding off of us.

[freshwest]

48. Great rebuttal and it can't be said too many times!

[FarLeftFist]

13. Spend other peoples money??! Like tax money? What a strange concept.

[proud2BlibKansan]

14. 4 questions to ask selfish assholes er I mean conservatives

1. How much did the Bush administration spend to investigate 9/11 before invading Iraq?

2. How much does the US spend on defense every year?

3. Why do you hate Americans?

4. How large is that rock shoved up your ass?

[damntexdem]

15. Question 2 is unanswerable except by lies.

That is because there are no clear definitions of 'federal deficit' that make any sense.

[Contrary1]

16. Four Questions Every Liberal Must Be Asked? Yeah, right.

I don't answer to right-wing idiots.

[rucky]

17. How much of the spending goes to Defense?

Do you feel safer?

[spanone]

18. here's ONE for republicans...who had a surplus in 2000 and fucked up the world?

[SpiralHawk]

38. "Smirk." - xCommander AWOL (R)

[SpiralHawk]

39. "Sneer." - xVP Dickie 'Five-Military-Deferments' Cheney (R)

[Art_from_Ark]

59. You should probably rephrase that question

The way it's written makes it sound like Clinton used his surplus to screw up the world.

Maybe a better question would be "Who inherited a budget surplus on January 20, 2001 and promptly pissed it all away?"

[AlinPA]

20. One question to ask conservatives: How many people have your wars killed and maimed? nt

[Vickers]

21. Sneaky!!!

:rofl:

[lumberjack_jeff]

24. The one question which every conservative must be asked.

"What happens when a player wins a game of monopoly?"

The losers split up the winner's stuff and start a new game.

[MrScorpio]

25. Four questions I'd like to ask right wingers

1. Why is most of the economy funneled through the Pentagon?

2. Why do you think that you can run the Nation's government business more efficiently, if you're so utterly hostile to the notion of government?

3. Why continue to force wealth advantage from the top down instead of from the bottom up, when it's doing nothing except bankrupting the country?

4. Why are all of you nothing more than a bunch of god-damned evil hypocrites?

[LynneSin]

26. Question #5: Who spent the Clinton Surplus?

nuff said.

[11 Bravo]

30. I believe we have a winner!

[blondeatlast]

28. This is your 24th post since joining in April?

Curious.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

29. Here are my answers: 1. yes 2. no 3. maybe 4. Marvin

When do I get my prize?

[LynneSin]

31. I think #4 is Melvin

so no prize for you

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

32. I was using the Indo-Punjabi pronunciation of Melvin. Where's my prize?

[Javaman]

54. You still lose, you are too smart for the test. LOL nt

[walldude]

33. 4 Questions Ever Fox News Personality Must Be Aksed.

1. Why are you such an asshole?

2. Why are you so full of shit?

3. Do you really think I am that stupid?

4. What office are you running for?

[lpbk2713]

34. My question for them is quite simple and direct.

Who won the Y2000 election?

[GoCubsGo]

35. Liberals aren't the ones spending my money on two wars.

And, that's where most of the money is going--war and the Defense Department. If these Fox Nation assholes actually looked up the answers to those questions, they'd know that. Fucking ignorant hypocrites.

[Marr]

36. They're right-- the debt is crushing us. We need to end these costly military occupations

and focus on things that will invigorate our economy, like financial re-regulation.

[some guy]

40. We tried to tell y'all 30 years ago

Reaganomics was a bad idea.

Did you listen? Fuck, no. We're just evil liberals and should be ignored and ridiculed.

[fascisthunter]

41. Idiots... Today's Republicans in Office could give a damn about deficits, or debt

however, when it comes to helping out a fellow American, they become stingy selfish bastards. But when it comes to wars, and giving their buddies contracts, no problem. Can you say morally bankrupt, yes I knew you could.

Here's a question for the idiot Fox News viewer:

"Why do you choose to be so dishonest and stupid. Do you have any pride, real pride?"

[guitar man]

42. Fuck this shit

30 goddamn years after that fucker Reagan was elected and somebody still has the nerve to point the finger at liberals for anything that's happened? Fuck Faux and the horse they rode in on. This nation and its vast working class had been RAPED, GUTTED, LOOTED, PILLAGED and PLUNDERED for the sake of a very small group of elites born with silver spoons in their mouths, and any time someone has tried to warn of the consequences they have been slandered, villified and branded with that awful word "liberal" that the right has managed to co-opt and turn into a pejorative.

I'll not answer questions about debts and deficits that have been run up of, by and for the wealthy elite by so called conservatives. :grr:

[lunatica]

43. Yeah, but do they know the answers? Liberals could just say anything

and the idiot conservatives wouldn't know if it was true or not.

Next!

[City Lights]

46. And, of course, those questions were not important when Chimpy was holed up

in the White House. Fuck Fox.

[tabasco]

49. Here's some answers for them

[crim son]

50. Warning: don't ask the questions until you've researched the answers.

Otherwise, rethugs, you'll look as dumb as you are.

[Arkana]

51. I love how government spending wasn't out of control

until a certain black guy took the oath of office.

Never mind that Bush fucking ballooned the deficit to 2 1/2 times its original size. Nope. It's OBUMMER'S fault.

[upi402]

53. They do have nerve. Hypocrisy doesn't worry them

... cuz they know there is very little media to call them on it.

[jtown1123]

55. Throw a little Dean Baker in their faces. Why fixate on something that really is a minor issue?

Talking about debts and deficits is utter nonsense when we have such a huge part of our population unemployed with their savings and wealth utterly destroyed. Dean Baker gives really good explanations on this.

Excerpt of Dean Baker Piece:

This is of course complete nonsense. Larger deficits in the current economic environment will only increase output and employment. In other words, larger deficits will put many of our children's parents back to work. Larger deficits will increase the likelihood that parents can keep their homes and provide their children with the health care, clothing, and other necessities for a decent upbringing. But the deficit hawks would rather see our children suffer so that we can have smaller deficits.

In spite of the deficit hawks' whining, history and financial markets tell us that the deficit and debt levels that we are currently seeing are not a serious problem. The current projections show that, even ten years out on our current course, the ratio of debt to GDP will be just over 90 percent. The ratio of debt to GDP was over 110 percent after World War II. Instead of impoverishing the children of that era, the three decades following World War II saw the most rapid increase in living standards in the country's history.


http://www.truth-out.org/the-budget-deficit-crisis-crisis56749

[meegbear]

57. Here's my answers ...

1. I don't know, what is it?

2. I don't know, what is it?

3. I don't know, what is it?

4. I don't know, what is it?

Since the "article" doesn't give the answers, I'll enjoy calling their bluff.

[marmar]

58. ............

[lib2DaBone]

61. Unnecessary war spending...TSA out of control.. DEA budget over the top..

Pentagon over-runs... Republican earmarks... tax cuts for the top 1%....

How come everywhere there is a disaster a REPUBLICAN is in charge?

[Brewman_Jax]

63. How many repub voters are getting government checks?

since they hate the idea of spending government money for social programs, they should be the first to give the money back. That's the reason the US can't have a social safety net, because those selfish racist assholes would rather starve than share.