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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:00 PM
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Did the Obama administration make a deal with Pharma to not negotiate...
bulk drug pricing for Medicare and to not push for the importation of drugs in exchange for their backing of the HC bill.

I was going to make this a simple poll, but I can no longer do that.

Rec for yes, thanks.





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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:02 PM
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1. If he did, then why did he bring up negotiating Medicare prices during his speech?
That wouldn't make sense.

Why can't you do a poll?
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:06 PM
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2. Agree.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:07 PM
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3. No polls ...
no longer a donor ... major HC expenses this year.

The Legacy of Billy Tauzin: The White House-PhRMA Deal
http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2010/02/12/the-legacy-of-billy-tauzin-the-white-house-phrma-deal/




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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:12 PM
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4. The same way that he was promoting a public option, but had made a deal beforehand.
We'll see. Then it will make sense.


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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:20 PM
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7. +1 nt
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 12:16 AM
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21. cheerleading for someone who is cheerleading for a Blue Dog - from Deleware, the capital
of America's FINANCIAL royalty, btw.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:26 PM
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12. Depends on whether one is in campaign mode or not :( n/t
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 12:19 AM
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22. And, of course, Senator Carper is NEVER in campaign mode. nt
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 01:33 AM
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27. This is not about Carper, it is whether or not Obama made a deal with Pharma. n/t
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:16 PM
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6. Lost his star... nt
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:23 PM
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10. Well ...
her star :)

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 07:52 AM
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30. My apologies--you know what they say about assumptions.
:hi:
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 10:20 PM
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34. Not a problem at all ...
"you know what they say about assumptions."

We all make them :)

:hi:



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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:22 PM
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8. Video - Senator Carper talking about the deal ...
Why did he bring it up ... because it is something we should do. But this was part of his HC plan a few years ago, but it was never pushed after election. Then Pharma ran ads in support of the HC bill, that happened to include no bulk pricing for Medicare, no importation of pharmaceuticals and longer protection for biologics.

How Drug-Industry Lobbyists Got Their Way on Health Care
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6848443&mesg_id=6848443

:shrug:

Carper Publicly Defends Secret PhRMA Deal In Exchange For Support Ads
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/23/carper-public-defends-secret-phrma-deal-in-exchange-for-support-ads/

"In a stunning moment during the Senate Finance Committee markup Sen. Tom Carper defended a secret deal that the White House, Baucus, and PhRMA had reached. The White House has long denied the deal. Carper publicly acknowledges that part of the deal was that PhRMA would run millions of dollars worth of campaign ads in support of health care reform.

According to Carper the “golden rule” in Congress is that secret back room deals in exchange for advertising buys must be honored. Carper’s statement below ...

I was not involved in negotiations with PhRMA but I believe that the administration was, obviously PhRMA was, and I presume this committee was involved in some way in those negotiations.

And what PhRMA agreed to do through those negotiations is to pay about
80 billion dollars over 10 years to help fill up half the donut hole. That’s my understanding. And they are prepared to go forward and to honor that commitment. As I understand it, the commitment from our colleague Senator Nelson would basically double what was negotiated with PhRMA.

And whether you like PhRMA or not — remember I talked earlier today in our opening statements, I talked about four core values, and one of those is the golden rule, treat other people the way I want to be treated?

I’ll tell you — if someone negotiated a deal with me and I agreed to put up say, 80 dollars or 80 million dollars or 80 billion dollars and then you came back and said to me a couple of weeks later — no no, I know you agreed to do 80 billion and I know you were willing to help support through an advertising campaign this particular — not even this particular bill, just the idea of generic health care reform? No, we’re going to double — we’re going to double what you agreed in those negotiations to do. That’s not the way — that’s not what I consider treating people the way I’d want to be treated.

That just doesn’t seem right to me..."



How Drug-Industry Lobbyists Got Their Way on Health Care
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6848443&mesg_id=6848443

By Karen Tumulty and Michael Scherer Thursday, Oct. 22, 2009

"...The Generic Nudge

The question before Waxman's committee last summer was this: How many years of monopoly protection should be afforded to biotechnology drugs, known as biologics, before cheaper alternatives are allowed on the market? These miraculous drugs — which differ from traditional, chemical-based pharmaceuticals because they are derived from living matter — are widely regarded as the future of the pharmaceutical industry and, indeed, of medicine itself. While only 20% of drugs on the market today are biologics, it is expected that, with 633 biotechnology medicines in development last year for more than 100 diseases, half the new drugs approved in 2015 will be. Biologics average more than 20 times the cost of traditional drugs: treating breast cancer with a year's worth of the biologic Herceptin can cost $48,000; Remicade, for rheumatoid arthritis, can cost $20,000 annually. For other, rarer diseases, the price of biologic treatments can be as high as $200,000 a year...


...As policymakers look for ways to control health-care costs, the price of biologics is drawing more and more scrutiny. The obvious model for bringing in competition is a 1984 law that Waxman wrote with Republican Senator Orrin Hatch. It lowered the regulatory obstacles that prevented generic drugs from making their way to market. At the time, it was expected that fast-tracking the approval of "bioequivalent" drugs would bring down medical costs by $1 billion a year. But with generics now accounting for more than 70% of prescriptions dispensed in the U.S., "the actual savings have exceeded our wildest expectations," Waxman said in a Sept. 18 speech before the Generic Pharmaceutical Association. "In the last decade alone, generic drugs have saved consumers, businesses and state and federal governments $734 billion."


...The Federal Trade Commission (FTC), though, argued in June that giving biologics makers any period of exclusivity at all could actually stifle innovation. Biologics are so much more complex and expensive to produce than traditional drugs that the barriers to would-be "biosimilar" competitors are already high, the FTC said. Giving biologics further protection — particularly the 12 years of exclusivity that the industry wants — would merely encourage firms to tinker with what they have rather than drive them toward "new inventions to address unmet medical needs."






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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 12:09 AM
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19. Senator Carper appears to be a Blue Dog. nt
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 01:34 AM
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28. Irrelevant, was there a deal with Pharma, that is the question. n/t
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:22 PM
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9. Yep. If he belongs to them, as so many want us to believe, why would he do a deal and then
publicly double-cross them?
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:25 PM
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11. No double-cross, the HC reform bill is done and the time to push for this ...
was when the American people were paying attention and we had majorities in Congress.



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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:46 PM
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13. ACA 2010 has a provision in it to establish a national commission of citizen professionals
and other stake-holders to review pricing and other issues affecting the effectiveness and viability of Medicare. The President mentioned this commission in his speech yesterday.

Besides which, if you listen to any progressive radio, Senator Bernie Sanders and several others are saying that because of ACA 2010 if Medicare is effectively reformed, thus obviating Republican criticisms of Medicare at least to everyone else's mind, then Medicare can become the basis for a movement toward Medicare for All, i.e. a Public Option, if necessary on a state by state basis. That's what Senator Sanders and Thom Hartmann and some others are saying about HC reform.

We'll see what happens, but your perspective appears to be a little fragmented on this issue.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:52 PM
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16. Go back and read the Obama HC plan, what happened to that and the ...
savings that were outlined in that plan.

:shrug:

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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 12:13 AM
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20. The commission will be implemented soon and perhaps you have an
oversimplified idea of how those savings were to be achieved under our current circumstances, besides which, it's really quite early in the evolution of programs that have to deal with several decades of inertia and entropy, not to mention the entire multi-billion dollar "health" "care" insurance industry lobby . . . know any of those folks?
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 01:08 AM
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24. Are you saying that candidate Obama had an oversimplified idea...
of how to achieve those savings when he made that part of his HC proposal? Maybe he did, maybe he does now???

I'm not going to get excited again about the same promise that was made three years ago and then given away in a deal to run TV ads for mandated insurance and subsidies to private companies.

Not sure what you are talking about when you say "know any of those folks"

What the hell does that mean?





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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:16 PM
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5. Deal? I think not. He wanted/expected them to volunteer support, a valuable thing, much more
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 11:19 PM by patrice
valuable than mandating their support through regulation and then being criticized endlessly for that, much more valuable politically and economically to get them to volunteer, so he sweetened the offer and they spat on it and if regulation does become necessary, and if he has the political clout to advocate regulation, he knows better how to engineer those potential regulations to do what needs to be done to those who need it done to them and to not do what doesn't need to be done to those who have volunteered their support for our programs.

He's outed all of the extremists now and anyone else, especially those in the lower part of the upper tax brackets that the Congressional Progressive Caucus is now courting, anyone who has a mind to find out what's in volunteering for them, has the opportunity now, since we can now see all/most of the crazies, to separate themselves from the crazies and make their amenability known through various channels. Stuff can happen now, if Obama can demonstrate he has the people with him and that he can deliver stuff for health care providers for the people.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:49 PM
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14. Did you watch the video of Senator Carper that I posted above ...
or read any of the links?

Or this one...

Obama Pharma Deal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l3c8QWJaoQ

Obama campaign ad "Billy"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCRO0g9CfAw




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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:52 PM
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15. I'm tired now. I'll watch them tomorrow and get back to you. nt
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:55 PM
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17. Fair enough, I never remember him talking about this once he was in the WH...
but it was important on the campaign trail in 2008.

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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 12:07 AM
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18. but not too tired for a quick visit to wikipedia . . .
Edited on Fri Apr-15-11 12:07 AM by patrice
uh, Carper . . . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Carper

- DLC
- neoliberal
- anti-Union
- "centrist"
- pro-Bush Tax Cuts = deficit reduction
- school vouchers
other stuff . . .

I'll watch the videos tomorrow anyway, just for the mental exercise.

g' night.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 01:00 AM
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23. You only have to look at the HC proposal by candidate Obama...
and what never materialized in the HC reform bill.

He made a campaign video about Billy Tauzin when he was a candidate talking about the very same issue of negotiating drug prices for Medicare, then he was silent once elected and we heard about the back room deals, saw the ads for HC reform sponsored by Pharma and AHIP and then what was in the final reform bill. We saw who was called to WH meetings and who was called upon to speak and who were left standing outside the gates and those who were arrested at the Bauccus hearings.

The agenda is set from the top, even Obama's personal physician of 20+ years was invited to speak and then canceled from the WH townhall meeting when he said he would ask about a national HC system funded by taxes.

Connect the dots ... or not, your decision.





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Keith Bee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 01:11 AM
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25. Why can't you do a poll?
You have the 1,000+ qualification.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 01:31 AM
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26. You need a star ...
never realized it until I tried tonight.



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mwrguy Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 01:45 AM
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29. only Star-Bellied Sneeches
can do polls
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 10:15 AM
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31. Thanks for the memories, been awhile since reading that book :) n/t
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 10:30 AM
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32. Democrats Spar Among Themselves Over PhRMA Deal (NYTimes)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8667526&mesg_id=8667526

"The first big fight over the Senate Finance Committee’s health care legislation erupted Tuesday night: a rollicking brawl over a deal that the Obama administration cut with the pharmaceutical industry to achieve $80 billion in savings on drug costs over 10 years, money that would help pay for the legislation..."


Could we save another 220 billion in addition to the 80 billion using VA prices...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8667526&mesg_id=8667647

http://www.slate.com/id/2224621

"...Candidate Obama, citing a paper by Roger Hickey, Jeff Cruz, and Dean Baker of the Institute for America's Future, put the savings at $30 billion a year, which over a decade would be roughly twice the $156 billion savings envisioned by the energy and commerce committee. (Hickey, Cruz, and Baker proposed matching not Medicaid drug prices but those negotiated by the more straightforwardly socialist Veterans Administration.) By this reckoning, Tauzin swindled not $76 billion from President Obama but $220 billion.

From the Obama Biden HC proposal...

"...Allow Medicare to negotiate for cheaper drug prices. The 2003 Medicare Prescription Drug
Improvement and Modernization Act bans the government from negotiating down the prices of
prescription drugs, even though the Department of Veterans Affairs’ negotiation of prescription drug
prices with drug companies has garnered significant savings for taxpayers.32 Barack Obama and Joe
Biden will repeal the ban on direct negotiation with drug companies and use the resulting savings, which
could be as high as $30 billion,33 to further invest in improving health care coverage and quality..."




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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 10:18 PM
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33. A public thanks for the star :))) n/t
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