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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 08:39 AM
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Primary Challenge IS being discussed by some Dems
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-04-14/budget-showdown-democrats-disgust-with-obama/#


As President Obama headed to Chicago Thursday afternoon to kick off the first official fundraiser of his re-election campaign, he left behind a sizable collection of dispirited Democrats.

:snip:

There is no more visible symbol of Democratic disgruntlement than the woman who was perhaps the president’s closest ally when she wielded the speaker’s gavel. When Nancy Pelosi voted against the budget measure Thursday, she did little to hide her anger with the White House over the fact that Obama, for the first time, had left her out of the negotiations on a major deal. Instead, he chose to work directly with Boehner and Reid to hammer out the compromise that each could take back to their caucuses for approval.

:snip:

Some legislative grumbling is inevitable when a party returns to power after eight years. But a number of Democrats are past protesting the president, discussing among themselves ways to recruit a primary challenger in 2012.

“I have been very disappointed in the administration to the point where I’m embarrassed that I endorsed him,” one senior Democratic lawmaker said. “It’s so bad that some of us are thinking, is there some way we can replace him? How do you get rid of this guy?” The member, who would discuss the strategy only on the condition of anonymity, called the discontent with Obama among the caucus “widespread,” adding: “Nobody is saying publicly, but a lot of people wish it could be so. Never say never.”

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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 08:40 AM
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1. Keep hope alive!!...nt
Sid
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:12 AM
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12. vaht?
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:14 AM
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13. Schtrike!!...nt
Sid
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:17 AM
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16. vehn yer getting shtiffed, ya shhtrike... and that's what ve did...
and NO vindows!!!
:hi:
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:21 AM
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19. I love it...
:hi:

Sid
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:29 AM
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24. maybe YOU can primary Obama! "was you sayin sumthin... thinkin' bout maybe votin.. for meee? vaht?"
Edited on Fri Apr-15-11 09:48 AM by dionysus
:hi:
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 08:42 AM
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2. How did it work out when Ted Kennedy challenged
Jimmy Carter?

A Democratic challenger would play right into the GOP's hands.

Far better to spend time supporting as many liberal Dem senators and reps as possible.

If you don't like Obama, get some real power by making the House and Senate more liberal.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:15 AM
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15. My 2010 campaign funds went to Feingold, Greyson & Conway.
And my 2012 contributions will go there as well - to liberal dems who need help. Obama has the corpors & doesn't need me, as he as made clear the past two years.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:58 AM
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32. +1 n/t
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:27 AM
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22. I only wished Ted were still alive to see how much Obama would have
dissapointed him, and how he would be compelled to correct his endorsement of him.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:33 AM
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25. He likely had a more realistic perspective on what was achievable
The fact is that Vicki still supports Obama - as do Senators Kerry and Dodd. They might be the two public people who were closest to Teddy. Teddy knows that he fought for 49 years for universal health care - and that included the 1960s and 1970s that were far more liberal and progressive than today - and it didn't happen then.
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:37 AM
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27. Ted would certainly be PO'd about how BO secretly and determanantly killed the PO.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 08:43 AM
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3. Maybe some crazy Dems ....
Its not happening.

There is no credible candidate.

None. Zero. Zip. Nada.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 08:44 AM
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4. This was discussed on Bill Press this morning. The Daily Beast also
has an article how democrats are "disgusted" with POTUS. A little over the top I would think.
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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 08:49 AM
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5. Sure, if you loved the 2010 election results and
love the concept of a Tea Party President.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 08:51 AM
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6. Once again,
the Democratic Party will never allow a challenger.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 08:53 AM
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7. Time's a'wastin'.
Edited on Fri Apr-15-11 08:55 AM by MineralMan
Who do these anonymous Democrats have in mind? So far, nobody seems to be stepping up who has a prayer. Besides, this isn't really news. Lots of people have brought up a primary challenge already all over the place. Some started the day after the 2008 election. So far, though, no viable candidate has stepped up.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 08:55 AM
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8. Nancy Pelosi wouldn't be that petty
Sounds like a school girl.

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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:15 AM
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14. She says it doeasn't matter so much, because the Republicans and Democrats share the same values.
Edited on Fri Apr-15-11 09:15 AM by jakeXT
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x517543


Someone like Ron Paul or Kucinich as president would be a real problem for the status quo.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 08:55 AM
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9. Any government contacts on DU?
Is there any correlation between threatened or ideologically angry Democratic officials, Obama's declaration of candidacy(the this exact time) and GOP insane no prisoners drive to create opportunistic misery? besides guessing I mean?

Has Obama shifted gears or just changed tune to deal with malleable Dems? Does he realize that he could put the GOP on the ropes and and end the Wonderland twins absurdist game- advantage: sanity? I have to believe he is still committed to helping the GOP survive as a viable "partner" in government when that is practically impossible if America is to survive. I don't believe in stealth "Old King Log"
Dem leaders with a wise plan. The GOP evils all hatched out decades ago(a charitable estimate). Will actions fall short of anything but keeping the GOP madness machine viable and destruction of law and society on the increase?

I think, personally we are being politically brought back to first base, the hope and promise of campaign speeches, and re-led through infuriating baby steps forward and giant steps toward Bushworld. If the air goes out of Dem Congressional growling and election year panic the possibilities we believe in- which reason and the world demand- will be compromised away as in the past.

But forget that pessimism. What IS going on between DC Dems? Is it any better than guessing and assumptions might fantasize? The political walls of unplayable cards thrown up by the GOP may simply have given Obama an unavoidable opportunity to smash down while rallying Dem critics. it is to his credit he often takes advantage of unavoidable opportunities.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:05 AM
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10. Anonymous "Democratic lawmakers" are BS. I'm as big a critic...
...of the President as any, but to cite anonymous sources as proof that there's dwindling support doesn't flip my flapjacks.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:06 AM
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11. Apparently, Nancy has seen what caving to a "moderate" reaps.
A big fat "Thanks. Now get lost you professional leftie".
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:18 AM
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17. It will not happen despite some wishful thinking here
Obama may not be a darling to some liberals, but he has many fervent supporters among most democrats (as polls attest). He also has overwhelming support among that most reliable democratic base--African-Americans. Pity to the Democrat who may challenge Obama and if he ever did defeat him for the nomination (extremely unlikely) he would then have to figure out a way to reunite a divided party and win back African-Americans. Sorry it won't happen.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:19 AM
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18. 80% approval rating among Dems at large. How the fck are they gonna overcome that? n/t
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:22 AM
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20. I certainly hope so...and I certainly hope a primary knocks Obama out...
his latest speech simply moved the goal line farther to the right.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:33 AM
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26. !
oy vey

:rofl:
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FLPanhandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:24 AM
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21. If so, it's a move to get rid of someone
Sort of like they did to Mondale when looking for someone to run against Reagan. Back then they know they weren't going to beat Reagan so they pushed forward a sacrificial lamb. Someone that would be embarrassed and then go away.

No one is going to beat Obama, in fact they'd be embarrassed. So, if they select someone, it's to kill their political career.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:28 AM
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23. Bring it on.
I look forward to smashing the opposition.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:38 AM
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28. Someone at the Daily Beast grasping at straws.
"When Nancy Pelosi voted against the budget measure Thursday, she did little to hide her anger with the White House over the fact that Obama, for the first time, had left her out of the negotiations on a major deal. Instead, he chose to work directly with Boehner and Reid to hammer out the compromise that each could take back to their caucuses for approval."

What nonsense.

Nancy Pelosi is busy countering Republicans.

Pelosi Suggests Dems Won't Let Government Shutdown If Republicans Abandon Boehner

Pelosi Statement on President Obama’s Speech on the Federal Budget

Transcript of Pelosi, Van Hollen Press Conference Today

Leader Pelosi. Good morning. Good morning, again. I'm pleased to be here with our distinguished ranking Democrat on the Budget Committee. That is the subject of the day, week, hour, year. It is a valid statement of our national values, and we are very proud of the work of our House Democrats on the Budget Committee.

Yesterday, President Obama promoted a strong vision for America's future, a clear statement of our principles, and a vision and a plan. He made it clear that we have a responsibility to create jobs, to educate our children, to protect the health of our seniors, to strengthen or middle class as we focus on reducing the deficit. His plan is one about shared responsibility and shared sacrifice, with each of us contributing to the future prosperity of our great country.

Today marks the 100th anniversary, the 100th day, of the Republicans having the majority in the House of Representatives. In the past 100 days, the Republicans have created no jobs and do not have a jobs agenda. They are voting to end Medicare as we know it, and while they give big subsidies to Big Oil they have voted to deny patient's bill of rights. They have voted to deny women's health issues. That is the record of the first 100 days.

Democrats will move forward to create jobs, to strengthen the middle class, grow the economy, and to do this in a way that reduces the deficit.

The GOP budget, as you know, it ends Medicare while giving tax subsidies to Big Oil. It block grants Medicaid, throwing many seniors out of nursing homes, while it gives tax breaks to companies sending jobs overseas. It cuts education and increases the cost of college for many young adults, while it continues to give tax cuts to the rich. It is unfair.

We will judge every measure that comes before us as to whether it creates jobs, reduces the deficit, strengthens the middle class, or grows the economy. That is exactly what our Democratic budget does.

And I'm pleased to yield the floor to the distinguished ranking member of the Budget Committee Mr. Van Hollen.


<...>

Q: Madam Leader, before you turn to the budget, there is the question of where you are, wrapping up this year's spending. How are you going to vote? And if you are going to oppose it, why are you going against a deal that President Obama and the Democratic leaders of the Senate worked out?

Leader Pelosi. Well, I haven't made any statement as to how I would vote, but it was pretty evident that the House Democrats were not any part of that agreement. I would rather call it an agreement rather than a deal. It was self evident that the Republicans in the House and the Democrats in the Senate were the two majorities. They were the ones who had the vote, so they had the strength to negotiate, and the President presided over that. I feel no ownership of that or any responsibility to it, except that we don't want to shut down government.

Q: So how are you going to vote?

Leader Pelosi. I will be consulting with my Ranking Members to see what impact it has on our homeland security, consumer protections…Every domestic initiative in the bill has had a cut from 2010. The defense has had an increase, and tax cuts for the rich are still thriving and well in all of the stuff that is going on here. There is no change in that. So I will have to make an evaluation.

Q: Some of the liberal members of your caucus think the President gave away too much in this deal. Do you share that sentiment?

Leader Pelosi. I'm studying it, and I will make an evaluation as I vote in consultation with my Members. You have to remember that we didn't see this until Monday night or Tuesday morning. It was—some of the particulars within subcommittee jurisdiction were not determined until the beginning of this week. So we are making evaluation about it. But it was very important to keep government open. We all support that.

Q: Madam Leader, do you get a sense that there is a very wide swath of your caucus that will vote against this?

Leader Pelosi. I don't have any idea.

Q: And do you think that part of that, do you think, how many, a third?

Leader Pelosi. We have not whipped it. We have not encouraged one way or another. People are just making their own judgments about it, because you are talking about subjects that people know a great deal about, but they all do want to keep government open. So that will be part of the equities that will be weighed as we make a determination.

Q: And to follow up, do you think some who do vote no, have they told you that are doing so because of their displeasure with the President; they felt they were sold down the river in the tax deal in the fall?

Leader Pelosi. No, I haven't heard that at all. It is about the particulars of the bill that is before them. They will make a judgment about what they believe, and that is how they will vote.

Q: When were you Speaker and you brought bills to the floor, typically you had 218 of your Members to bring it across the finish line. Speaker Boehner has relied on the Democrats in the PATRIOT Act, on previous CRs. Could you reflect on that a little bit? What does that mean about his leadership and his caucus, having been in that position before?

Leader Pelosi. Every caucus is different. He has many new members, and as you indicated, we had to keep government open with, 84 Democrats, I think, voted for that first continuing resolution, while 54 Republicans voted against it. But you're just going to have to talk to him about the dynamic within his caucus.

What we did—I can speak to what we did—we came to the floor when we had consensus. There was a lot of collaborative working together, whether it was regional disparities, whether it was philosophical differences, whether it was generational, ethnic, you name it, every difference, because we have a very diverse caucus. I call it the giant kaleidoscope.

You have to make sure that the design has 218. That affects certain people one time and other people another time. But we always put the bill together together, and that's what we did. You'd have to talk to him about his dynamics.

Q: Madam Leader, if the Speaker loses support because of these recent CBO numbers, and it appears that the bill might not have enough votes to make it over the threshold, will you assure that there are enough Democrats to make it pass?

Leader Pelosi. Well, you know, again, we have our own collaboration in our caucus and respect each other's thinking that will take us to a place when the vote comes to the floor. And so we will see, but it was as is clearly evident, the Speaker spoke for the House of Representatives in those negotiations for his majority. I have—I have always thought that if he didn't have enough votes, if he didn't get 218 on his own, that there would be Democrats who could help put it over the top. It's just a question of how big that disparity is.

But I think that the fact that many of us have our unease with what is in there should signal to the Republicans that they should probably feel pretty be comfortable with the bill.

Q: Madam Leader, if there are a certain number of Democrats that are needed to push it over the top, is there a price for that, or is it free?

Leader Pelosi. Oh, this is about keeping government open, this is about our responsibility to the public.

Q: Yes, but you have leverage in that case.

Leader Pelosi. When you say "a price to pay," what do you mean?

Q: A price to pay for your support. You're in a discussion with the Speaker, and he needs your help on something very important like this.

Leader Pelosi. Well, I think that kind of negotiation is something that could have gone on before so that we could have weighed in on the bill. It's a little late for that because the bill is what it is. But, you know, I assume they have the votes. They seem pretty confident. I think you sound less confident than they do. They seem pretty confident about what they have, and, you know, since it's their product in terms of the House Republicans, they seem pretty confident that they are going to be able to deliver. And so we will see.

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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:42 AM
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29. LOL Now that we got them on ropes, let's go ahead and once
again, snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:43 AM
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30. ROFL
G'luck with that.

:rofl:
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theophilus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:56 AM
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31. Since his recent speech I have more hope but if he waffles and doesn't
walk the walk then I think Mr. Obama needs to be pressured. I still hope this is a grand strategy but, if not, some super smart Liberal needs to poke at him with some better ideas.IMO
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:59 AM
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33. Bet on it. nt
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Thunderstruck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 10:04 AM
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34. Ok, so who? Are any names popping up?
I have a crush on Elizabeth Warren.
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