Is it just me or have the Democrats decided to finally start "screwing with them"?

[phleshdef]

We have President Obama personally assuring that Paul Ryan is sitting in the front row of the auditorium when the President proceeds to rip his budget to shreds right in his face and in front of the whole country.

We have Brian Schweitzer publically taking a VETO shaped branding iron to crazy bills passed by his states Republican house.

We have Steny Hoyer rounding up liberal Dems in the house for some fun "vote present" hijinks in order to get the establishment Republicans and the tea partiers to duke it out.

And now we are back to President Obama accusing the Republicans of trying to turn America into a "third world country" and a "nation of potholes".

Is it just me, or does it seems like some key Democrats are tired of being "nice guys" who get shit on and have decided to start screwing with them as bluntly as they screw with us?

[Andy823]

1. I don't know,

But I sure do hope so!

[murielm99]

2. It's about time. n/t

[Drale]

3. It was all a fake

the worlds larges suicide squeeze play. Get them into a false sense of security then BAM!! Hit them from all sides at once.

[RKP5637]

4. Hopefully their BS detectors have signed to them it's time they quit

being sh** on by republicans and saying thank you, let us try to be more like republicans.

[Lovette]

5. If That Be The Case. . .

Its About Damn Time!!! :fistbump:

[RKP5637]

11. Yep, and welcome to DU!

:toast: :hi:

[apnu]

16. yeah no shit. I thought the Dems shoulda showed some backbone after 2003. (nt)

[golddigger]

6. If they are, it's long overdue.

[Poll_Blind]

7. Here's the problem: Any thoughtful person is going to look at this change in behavior and ask...

..."why now?"

Why not a year ago, why not a long time before that?

The answer isn't "Oh, they all-of-a-sudden realized what the right thing to do was."

No, the most logical answer rhymes with "Autie Belve".

This is kabuki. Anyone's welcome to believe otherwise but come on...

PB

[tabatha]

9. See #8

[Donnachaidh]

19. all together now...

Three little maids from school are we,
Pert as a school-girl well can be,
Filled to the brim with girlish glee,
Three little maids from school!


:evilgrin:

[tabatha]

8. Actually, I think there was a bit of rope-a-dope.

You cannot screw with people who have not put their cards on the table. I think they waited for the Repubs to out themselves for what they truly are.

[RKP5637]

13. Yep, giving them enough rope to hang themselves. I just don't see how

the majority of Americans can look/listen to the inane antics of the republicans and think/say, "hey, this is good stuff."

[Solomon]

24. I really don't understand why people don't see that things have to be

set up to be effective. In any fight, if you go rushing out swinging wildly at the opponent, you're going to get knocked the F out.

We live in a microwave society. Everything's gotta be right now or you're a punk.

The most effective strategies result from taking the time to set things up.

[RKP5637]

31. No one, for the most part, has patience anymore. People want instant

gratification and they apply that to politics. Yep, IMO it's much easier now to point at the republicans and say this is what they want to do, than to have said earlier this is what we think they're going to do.

[defendandprotect]

10. Has Obama said "Public Option" -- ? MEDICARE FOR ALL -- ??

Is Obama allowing Medicare to negotiate with Big Pharma on drug prices?

Did Obama end the tax cuts for the rich?

Maybe Obama is cancelling the new trade agreements -- Korea, Colombia?

[phleshdef]

You are free to start your own threads about any of those topics.

You don't need to derail threads in order to discuss things on this website.

[defendandprotect]

18. What I'm saying is RELEVANT to your suggestions ... slight stirrings aren't policy....

and that would include as well destroying public education --

Obama/Duncan have been very busy moving money from public education to charter

schools and attacking teachers and their unions.

While ALWAYS seeing that the rich are well provided for!!

[phleshdef]

25. No, you are trying to muddy up the topic with nonsensical rantings.

And attempting to derail a thread about the current attitude Democrats are taking with Republicans with your tired ass grievances aimed at tearing down Barack Obama.

Its called trolling and derailing, whether it comes from a left or right point of view.

As I said, you free to start your own thread if you don't actually wish to discuss the topic.

[defendandprotect]

29. Let us know when Dem Party begins to deal with GOP Diebold voting computers --

or are ready to end the WARS!!

Or when Obama stops pushing a new taxpayer-funded generation of nuclear

power plants in USA --

Or when Obama stops pushing BP drilling in Gulf -- !!

Post a notice on your next OP ... "No replies I don't like allowed" --


:rofl:

[phleshdef]

33. I've argued those same issues up and down this board. I don't need to validate myself to you.

Posters like you are all the same. You muddy up any and every topic that has a remotely positive attitude towards the President. You go in an list a billion grievances, half of them based on poorly contexted bullshit and then lie in wait for someone to waste their time trying to have an adult discussion with you about it (something you don't seem to be capable of thus far).

The thing is, you can't STAND it when someone supports this President. It just crawls under your skin to no end. So you have to try and quash it. You are all like "MUST. CHANGE. SUBJECT. PRESIDENT. OBAMA. BAD". But you can't change the subject. You can't stop supporters of the President from speaking here. You can't do anything about it. And your mindless drivelling and attempts to overload the topic by throwing out any random grievance you can think of isn't working. A hundred laughing smilies aren't yoing to help you.

[defendandprotect]

39. "No replies I don't like allowed" --

Who is it you are saying can't stand challenge?

Your reaction is certainly more than prickly!!

Meanwhile, no one changed the subject -- it was broadened --

[phleshdef]

43. LOL. Broadened. Thats basically saying you have a license to derail anything you feel like.

And maybe you do. But that won't stop me from pointing it out.

[defendandprotect]

47. Are you saying, you have the right to LIMIT discussions to your preferred boundaries???

:rofl:

[Motown_Johnny]

12. can you get the senate to pass medicare for all? Vermont is now working on

a single payer system, thanks to the passing of health care reform and as far as trade agreements go.....

OK I agree with you on that one.

[defendandprotect]

20. Who took "public option" off the table? Obama did in backroom deals with

the private health care industry --

Who took Medicare "negotiation" on drug prices "off the table"?

Obama did in backroom deals with the private H/C industry --

If you want more info on all of that, I'd be very happy to supply it!!




they will argue that young children have been turned into drug mules in

some cases -- therefore it will eventually be OK to do "strip search" not

only on every passenger -- but children as well!!

This is the rise of the right -- and the only way they have succeeded is with

political violence -- assassinations -- stolen elections -- lies --



The Rightwing Koch Bros. Funded the DLC --

http://www.democrats.com/node/7789

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x498414


If you knew this, why didn't you tell us?

If you didn't know -- pass it along -- !!

:)

[EFerrari]

14. Campaign started. It's nice while it lasts, though. n/t

[Spoonman]

No, they simply have decided

to further piss off the independent voters (majority of the population) thereby ensuring a replay of last November come 2012.

They are being labeled very effectively as sore losers.

They would be wise to demonstrate a high degree of decorum and professionalism, allowing the re-pukes to fall flat on their face, all on their own!

[dana_b]

30. disagree completely

they did that for two years and look where it got them in Nov. 2010. It's time to go after the Repubs - go on the offense and show the people what they really stand for. People are looking for strong, effective leaders and it's time the Dems show us that they can do it.

[defendandprotect]

40. Dems making noise, without a change in Obama policies is just going to be NOISE -- !!!

The Rightwing Koch Bros. Funded the DLC --

http://www.democrats.com/node/7789

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x498414


If you knew this, why didn't you tell us?

If you didn't know -- pass it along -- !!

:)

[dflprincess]

50. You're assuming that independent voters all lean Republican

I know quite a few people who now call themselves Independent who used to consider themselves liberal DFLers. If the DC Democrats continue this behavior and follow through, those voters might come back for the next election.

[nykym]

15. Why now? Simple!

The start of the 2012 Election Cycle!

[defendandprotect]

41. Right -- "HappySPEAK" will be back ... until after the election -- !!

The Rightwing Koch Bros. Funded the DLC --

http://www.democrats.com/node/7789

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x498414


If you knew this, why didn't you tell us?

If you didn't know -- pass it along -- !!

:)

[Donnachaidh]

17. well ya know, the run for the second term was started BEFORE the sleeves were rolled up

Yes I'm a big-assed cynic. But timing is everything and this makes skeptics go *hmmm*, especially as we STILL have neither party doing a damned thing for the chronic unemployed, etc....

:shrug:

[LeFleur1]

61. Exactly

Yak, Yak, Yak. Actions speak louder than words and I haven't seen a whole lot of action.

Suddenly, our President is running around the country, talking the talk, raising funds...why doesn't he do his job? That would probably get him elected faster than anything. What if voters come to the conclusion he's all talk. Enough with the words.

[Larkspur]

21. Schweitzer's has been attacking the righties since he ran for the senate in 2000

His branding PR stunt is typical of Schweitzer's innate political showmanship and one of the main reasons why I want him to run for Prez in 2016. He KNOWS how to fight the Righties and WIN without bashing his base and boring the unaffiliated voters to death. Now on some issues, like clean coal, I disagree with him, but unlike Repubs, he is willing to listen to practical alternative ideas. He's also an advocate for bio-fuels using switchgrass instead of corn and is an advocate for wind farms.

[Uncle Joe]

22. I hope so, but time will tell.

Thanks for the thread, phleshdef.

[inna]

23. campaign mode. (doh!) nt

[LynneSin]

26. Honestly, I think the democrats tried to play fair for 2 years and came out badly because of it

I think the next 2 years we're going to see a big change in their plans - maybe they all finally grew a set of balls.

[phleshdef]

34. Liberalism's greatest strength and weakness are the same thing, the interest of fairness.

Of course Democrats are more willing to play along and try to get things done in a reasonable fashion. Thats how liberals tend to think. We WANT people to act like adults. The problem is, they always take advantage of that kindness.

[RKP5637]

35. I think that was the original intent too. At minimal now if Obama pushes hard he

won't be accused of being an angry black man. Some will, of course, but it won't stick IMO.

[defendandprotect]

48. And you would re-elect politicians that naive -- ???

[LynneSin]

51. Yes, because my dream is one day we have people who play fair and work together

instead of this nasty-ass divided politics

Are you suggesting I not vote for democrats? You have read the DU rules of lately haven't you?

[defendandprotect]

54. The idea is to vote for Democrats who will do the people's bidding, not corporate bidding ....

We've just had 2 1/2 years of Obama bringing the Koch/DLC/Rahm Emmanuel into

the White House -- putting Wall St/Goldman Sachs on his "team" -- and making

backroom deals with Big Pharma and the private health care industry --


Maybe you missed this . . ?

Rahm .... crowing about preserving "private health care industry" ... business s/b grateful!
DU 8/12/10

”In a Thursday interview, White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel argued that rather than recoiling against Obama, business leaders should be grateful for his support on at least a half-dozen counts: his advocacy of greater international trade and education reform open markets despite union skepticism; his rejection of calls from some quarters to nationalize banks during the financial meltdown; the rescue of the automobile industry; the fact that the overhaul of health care

preserved the private delivery system;

the fact that billions in the stimulus package benefited business with lucrative new contracts, and that financial regulation reform will take away the uncertainty that existed with a broken, pre-crash regulatory apparatus.

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=B2F85DDF-18...



OR THIS ... ?

WASHINGTON — Pressed by industry lobbyists, White House officials on Wednesday assured drug makers that the administration stood by a behind-the-scenes deal to block any Congressional effort to extract cost savings from them beyond an agreed-upon $80 billion.

Drug industry lobbyists reacted with alarm this week to a House health care overhaul measure that would allow the government to negotiate drug prices and demand additional rebates from drug manufacturers.

In response,the industry successfully demanded that the White House explicitly acknowledge for the first time that it had committed to protect drug makers from bearing further costs in the overhaul. The Obama administration had never spelled out the details of the agreement.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/06/health/policy/06insur...


If all of that doesn't make you sick to your stomach, nothing will!




Are you suggesting I not vote for democrats? You have read the DU rules of lately haven't you?


I'm suggesting that you vote for Democrats who aren't corporatists --

Democrats who aren't pre-bribed and pre-owned by corporations.

[LynneSin]

56. Should I just PM you a list of all the places I've posted so you can stalk me there too

You're getting really annoying

[defendandprotect]

58. I have a suggestion for you -- put me on ignore if you don't want to read replies to your posts...!

Obviously someone calling upon you to use your grey matter is a strain --

[LynneSin]

60. then stop posting

:D

[gratuitous]

27. I certainly hope so

Because negotiating with these maniacs hasn't resulted in jack shit for the last two years, which have been worse than a waste of time. Trade in the olive branch for a hickory switch, because being nice, polite negotiators hasn't been working out all that well. In case our elected officials haven't noticed, there's a country to be run, and it isn't running very well for millions and millions of us. Fuck bipartisanship and screw political playing around; do what you know is right for the country, and if some overrich fatcats squawk, then you know u r doin it rite.

[slay]

28. It's just you

they're all in it together and we are just pawns. sorry bud - it's just you. they are powerful millionaires controlled by mega-corporations and the super-rich. until/unless/if we ever - get a real man of the people like Bernie Sander elected, expect shit to stay pretty much the same - or keep getting worse. that is my experience with politics ever since our last good president - Jimmy Carter.

[golddigger]

46. K&R

[bvar22]

32. If all you care about are the Video Bytes,

then YES.
The Campaign Season Kabuki Theater is now OPEN.

[phleshdef]

36. Right because me bringing it up indicates that its all I care about.

If you are going to take a cheap shot, at least thing of one that has a chance of being remotely valid.

[dionysus]

37. might i ask, what is your goal? all i ever see you do is slam dems.

[bvar22]

44. You should get out more often.

I regularly and steadfastly praise Democrats who STAND for Traditional Democratic Principles.
My "GOAL" is to WORK for the return of the Democratic Party to its former GREAT position of representing the American Working Class & The Poor.
One of the ways to do this, is to point out how FAR to the RIGHT the Party has drifted since I joined it 47 years ago.

I post the following all the time.
Surely, you have seen THIS:

"As our nation has grown in size and stature, however—as our industrial economy expanded—these political rights proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness.

We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. “Necessitous men are not free men.” People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.

In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.

Among these are:

*The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

*The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

*The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

*The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

*The right of every family to a decent home;

*The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

*The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

*The right to a good education.

All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.

Americas own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for all our citizens.

For unless there is security here at home there cannot be lasting peace in the world." FDR, 1944

I WILL go to The WALL for THAT "Democratic Party"!!!
For today's New Democrat Centrist Party?....not so much.


Here is other stuff I post ALL the time praising REAL "DEMOCRATS":




"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone




Did you miss ALL of these?
This is Harry Truman, a "Democrat" I praise ALL the time:

"I've seen it happen time after time. When the Democratic candidate allows himself to be put on the defensive and starts apologizing for the New Deal and the fair Deal, and says he really doesn't believe in them, he is sure to lose. The people don't want a phony Democrat. If it's a choice between a genuine Republican, and a Republican in Democratic clothing, the people will choose the genuine article, every time; that is, they will take a Republican before they will a phony Democrat, and I don't want any phony Democratic candidates in this campaign."

QED: 2010

Here are some more:


"I don’t represent the big oil companies. I don’t represent the big pharmaceutical companies.
I don’t represent the Enrons of this world. But you know what?
They already have great representation in Washington.
It’s the rest of the people that need it.”
---Paul Wellstone’s Last Commercial






”Unlike the other candidates, I am not funded by those corporate interests.
I owe them no loyalty, and they have no influence over me or my policies.” ---Dennis Kucinich



and WHO can forget THIS?




SEE!!!
I praise "DEMOCRATS" ALL the time.

I VOTE for DEMOCRATS.
I actively CAMPAIGN for DEMOCRATS.
I have been a ACTIVE member of The Democratic Party since 1964.
I want the very best FOR the DEMOCRATIC Party,
and promoting policy that is to The RIGHT of the traditional Republican Party (1950 - 70s)
is NOT the way to get there.

Thank You for asking the Loyalty question, Commissar.
You gave me a wonderful opportunity to praise DEMOCRATS,
and to fly My Democratic Party Flag High & Proud!!!
Hooray for DEMOCRATS!!!!
I wish we had more of them!!!

"If we don't fight hard enough for the things we stand for,
at some point we have to recognize that we don't really stand for them."
--- Paul Wellstone






Who will STAND UP and FIGHT for THIS American Majority?
Lofty Rhetoric, Empty Promises, and Whiny Excuses are meaningless now.

"By their WORKS you will know them,"
And by their WORKS they will be held accountable.

[AlabamaLibrul]

53. +infinity

"I WILL go to The WALL for THAT "Democratic Party"!!!
For today's New Democrat Centrist Party?....not so much."

[inna]

45. vile comment - and patently untrue.

disgusting. stop lowering the level of discourse, please.

[defendandprotect]

49. Agree -- time to put the MASKS back on ---

[Bluenorthwest]

38. It is an Alice Cooper song equation?

No More Mister Nice Guy + Billion Dollar Babies = Elected

[Bucky]

42. When a party takes control of a house of congress, they're supposed to act like adults

The nonstop posturing and whining that Republicans do and their disregard for the consequences of the laws they pass after they take power is so pathetic, that Democrats continue to act like the grown ups in charge--only now it's the grown up trying to negotiate with the spoiled brat who's taken over the kitchen and wants to throw knives around.

Today the Democrats quit playing that game. They forced those members of the Republican caucus who are emotionally and cognitively capable of understanding the responsibilities of governance to live up to the rhetoric they've been playing with when they egg the Teabots along. It's like the frustrated father finally telling his screwup teenage son, "No, I'm not going to bail you out of jail anymore. You put yourself (and the whole country) in this predicament. You're going to have to stand up and act on your own. If you won't work with me in good faith, I won't do the heavy lifting for you."

[pacalo]

52. We needed this reassurance that they'll put those nutbags in their place.

I hope they are starting a healthy trend. We need to know they're going to stand up for us.

[JFN1]

55. Political theater, just like the House shenanigans. "We'll show 'em who's liberal"

It's all for show, basic manipulation, for 2012, to rev up "the base."

Why should you believe the Dems suddenly have balls, when they have failed to have them for more than a decade?

It is funny, isn't it? Democrats suddenly found their balls - and within a week of Obama's official 2012 kickoff.

[jillan]

57. They're moving into election season.

[Chorophyll]

59. God I hope so, but why wait all this time???

Elections?

[DefenseLawyer]

62. Talk is incredibly inexpensive n/t