Pick your nomines.

[white_wolf]

Pick up to three candidates, t for President and VP that you would like to see get the Democratic nomination. 1. Kucinich/Weiner. 2. Sanders/Weiner. I put Weiner as VP, simply because he is young and I think the experience would help him. I changed the title, since I was worried it gave the impression that the choices were unrealistic. Okay, you can pick anyone regardless of being in government.

[cali]

1. I don't have a dream candidate

it just doesn't seem like a worthwhile pastime

[jaxx]

2. Obama/Biden

Don't mess with success.

[white_wolf]

4. You would rather have Obam than say Kucinich or

Sanders, or Weiner?

[jaxx]

6. OMG yes.

None of them can win and we need to keep the WH and the senate and make better gains in the house.

[white_wolf]

12. I disagree. I think if the media treated them fairly, any of the candidates

I mentioned could win. I think Americans will listen to people who stand up for them.

[jaxx]

18. No, voters will go for who they think will win and keep

the country moving ahead. Sanders is a socialist, he will never win in a general election. Kucinich has tried before...he can't get to first base. He's like Ron Paul, full of oddball ideas. Weiner is mad at the world. It looks good occasionally in the house but not for prime time.

We have a winning team with a record of success not seen in a long, long time. And the President is seen as standing up for the people.

[Kalun D]

30. LOLZ!!

""keep the country moving ahead.""

the rich and the corporations are moving ahead, the workers are moving behind

""Sanders is a socialist""

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH A SOCIALIST!!!!! FDR WAS MORE SOCIALIST THAN ALL THE LIBERALS IN DC COMBINED.

""Weiner is mad at the world.""

So uhh, there's no reason to be mad? The corporations are taking over EVERYTHING, 2 presidential elections in a row stolen (zero election reform so far) $Trillions have been stolen by the criminal banks, the worst environmental disaster in the history of the world with ZERO prosecutions. Three ongoing wars while they're trying to cut social security and the schools.

that's Obama's problem, he's not mad. Some think it's because he's playing 3D chess, I think it's because he's on the other side.

""We have a winning team with a record of success not seen in a long, long time.""

Yeah, the rich have never been this successful. The disparity between the rich and the working class is higher than it's ever been.

""And the President is seen as standing up for the people.""

Exactly, the key word is SEEN (not actual results). The consolidated corporate media is a well polished machine that advertises and sells a product, when in fact the product is doing the exact opposite of what the TV has told us it was going to do. The consolidated corporate media only gives favorable advertising to those things that it can benefit from.

The general rule in advertising is, the more a product needs to be advertised, the worse the product is.

[jaxx]

37. Such anger.

Still need to advertise?

[Kalun D]

43. I Gave a Bunch of Points For You To Counter

WHUT HAPPEN?????

[treestar]

60. Members of the House can be "mad"

They can say all sorts of things. Look at Grayson.

but if Grayson himself were running for President, he'd tone it down.

We have to get real sometime.

[white_wolf]

31. "Keep the country moving forward"

Personally I'm grateful for Weiner's anger, he has a right to be angry, we all do. If you aren't angry than your missing something. Sander's socialism might be the only thing that can save us, and I feel Kuincih's "oddball ideas" are principles, of course those are so rare in Congress, so I could see how you would get confused.

[defendandprotect]

26. Corruptions of corporate-media are also based on getting 80% of the campaign $$$ ....

if you're a candidate like Kucinich, let's say, or a third party candidate who

doesn't bring in corporate $$ for them -- then just another reason to shunt the

candidate to the side!!

[Kalun D]

20. That's right

because none of them are corporate bagmen

only corporate bagmen can win in a Orwell television (wholly corporate owned) America

any outsider is not going to get the flattering face time on the boob tube that it takes to win

We need more corporate bagmen in the White House and Congress, to sell out the few scraps that are left to the big banks, oil, military, insurance, and health care companies.

5 companies have consolidated media/communications

Walmart/Target has consolidated all the dry goods

4 companies own all the oil

the banks are being dwindled now with the $Trillions Obama gave them to buy up the small chains

Homeowners are being foreclosed at record rates so we won't own any property

Unions are being destroyed so wages and benefits will only go down

next stop? SLAVERY

[BillyJack]

22. +1000 n/t

[defendandprotect]

27. Bravo -- !!! "next stop? SLAVERY" ---

[Shiver]

7. Yep.

Would rather have someone who has a chance of winning.

[gateley]

9. +1 nt

[Motown_Johnny]

3. Back in '06 mine was Obama/Richardson.

I came close


Nothing against Biden but I thought that running 2 sitting Senators was kinda crazy and dismissed all of them out of hand

[Kalun D]

5. Hmmm

Sanders/Grayson

Grayson/Weiner

Franken/Grayson

Grayson/Franken

Kucinich in there somewhere

the most charismatic and sharp witted I think is Grayson

[white_wolf]

8. I hate to admit this, because it shows how stupid and superfical our country is

but I'm worried Weiner's last name would hurt him. God, that is a sad commentary on our times.

[Kalun D]

39. Who Knows

if the coverage went beyond just sound bites, Weiner can really cut an opponent to the quick, he would def do good in debates.

but you are correct part of it is just image

[walldude]

63. Well he could do what Boehner did

and start pronouncing his name Waynor...

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[defendandprotect]

17. I'd love to see Nader on a Dem ticket -- let's also keep in mind that Koch/DLC has

probably by now completed take over of the Dem Party?

We might have to at some point find out how much if left of it -- if anything --

and at least pick up the name and walk off with it???



PS: As for the filth/smear the Democratic Party helped throw at him re 2000 --

I think most DU'ers have now woken up from that myth --

Ironic that the Democrats are so little interested in GOP Diebold hackable computers --

and stolen elections!!

Also ironic that with 2010 having brought a $4 BILLION campaign -- of which Repugs got

$7 for every $1 Dems got -- that the Democrats are willing to struggle on for that $1 --

while most of us know they've been the victims of stolen elections and even this new

campaign gimmick. Maybe they like to be victims?

[Kalun D]

32. Hate To Say This

but have to agree with you

When Obama let Acorn go totally under the bus on the word of Faux News

and they did exactly ZERO for election reform when they held solid majorities in both houses

then Obama's favorite DLC'r Blanch Lincoln benefited from an "unusual" election return in the primaries

it makes you sort of wonder that it's not just like Jesse Ventura says it is. National politics is like the WWF, the fight is staged, behind the curtains they pat each other on the back and they are working for the same corporate team.

I don't think the answer is in politics anymore. I think we need a nationwide general strike

starting with the truckers, garbage collectors, and all Walmart workers, then all other workers except for emergency personnel. Just like they do it in France.

How about a list of demands?

expand social security, raise the income/tax cap

make ALL workers unionized

mandate 5 weeks paid vacation on start of employment (don't laugh, many EU countries have this)

totally socialize the health care system

free college education to those that qualify (again don't laugh, this is common in EU)

end the oil wars

[defendandprotect]

52. Dems were victimized by GOP Diebold computers, stolen elections -- but seems they don't care -!!

Not an issue for them -- ??? :rofl:

The ACORN affair was shocking -- and no one has really ever doubled back to make

amends and recapture its value to the Democratic Party. Another oddity to ponder!


it makes you sort of wonder that it's not just like Jesse Ventura says it is. National politics is like the WWF, the fight is staged, behind the curtains they pat each other on the back and they are working for the same corporate team.

As Nader has been pointing out for decades, two parties with the same ownership.


And have no problems with this, except the way it would be done has to be something new --

and a little different from the way I've seen it laid out before ....

I don't think the answer is in politics anymore. I think we need a nationwide general strike

starting with the truckers, garbage collectors, and all Walmart workers, then all other workers except for emergency personnel. Just like they do it in France.

How about a list of demands?

expand social security, raise the income/tax cap

make ALL workers unionized

mandate 5 weeks paid vacation on start of employment (don't laugh, many EU countries have this)

totally socialize the health care system

free college education to those that qualify (again don't laugh, this is common in EU)

end the oil wars

Add national child care to that -- and I'm in!! :)


Maybe adopting the French way is the answer?

I'm just not a big fan of dragging people to DC on a Saturday when no one is there!

Additionally, the French are obviously united -- they know who they are.

America hasn't been political, person to person, pub to pub/? -- since when?

Much of that has to do with Dem Party withdrawing their neighborhood reps who kept communites

informed. Also the $$ stance the party took which shut out those who weren't $$ --

the "Super Delegates" who could do so much for the candidates in house parties, etal --

that kind of thing. The expensive luncheons to raise campaign $$.

UNITING is the key -- corporations are united up down and sideways -- seniors aren't even

united, except via AARP and the GOP is after them!

Plus showing that unity is also important -- we can use consumer products to do that --

"lights off" at a click on a certain day at a certain time. Taking our cars off the road

- pulling them over for 10 or 15 minutes. Calling instant strikes -- maybe an hour or two.

3:30 pm to 5 -- Wearing buttons every day MEDICARE FOR ALL, etc.

When we can see how united we are it will be easier to do.

Unfortunately, they've been assassinating liberal leadership for 50 years now --

even before it rises -- that's been a huge problem!!

[Kalun D]

66. Local and National

""Maybe adopting the French way is the answer? I'm just not a big fan of dragging people to DC on a Saturday when no one is there!""

Local all at one time so it's national without anyone having to travel.

""UNITING is the key ""

the internet is the key

I think it has to get just a little bit worse before people revolt. The only trouble is with a guy like Obama he's smart enough to just turn the heat up slowly while he's boiling the frog in the kettle. We need another bush boy to push us over the edge.

""Unfortunately, they've been assassinating liberal leadership for 50 years now --even before it rises -- that's been a huge problem!!""

So true, so it has to be a MOVEMENT, movements don't necessarily need leaders. It can be a non-centralized movement.

[defendandprotect]

67. Agree ... except that --

if national leaders weren't important -- they wouldn't bother killing them!!


:evilgrin:

[defendandprotect]

16. OK -- but we need to look beyond the party... Wm. Greider, Tom Hayden ...

[Tx4obama]

10. That's easy

Obama/Biden 2012
Grayson/Weiner 2016
Grayson/Weiner 2020
Weiner/First Female Dem VP 2024

[Kalun D]

42. even easier

Obama/Biden 20-NEVER

Pelosi/McKinney 2012

Maddow/Winfrey 2016

Hartman/Malloy 2020

Miller/Rhodes 2024

[defendandprotect]

11. We need democrats from outside of the party -- not pre-owned, nor pre-bought -- !!

and two strong anti-war candidatees ==

From your list, I'd pick Sanders/Weiner --

We need fewer politicians in government -- and more humanists!!

[white_wolf]

14. What about Kuicinch? He is one of the few who opposed Iraq and the Patriot Act,

[defendandprotect]

21. I love Kucinich -- always have -- but don't see him as having the kind of leadership

that would succeed -- either pre-election or post-election.

Tell me it could be done and I'd vote for him -- may still vote for him as a write-in?

Who knows?

[LynneSin]

19. 1.) Obama/Biden, 2.) Obama/Biden and 3.)......

Obama/Clinton - incase Biden decides to retire

This is for 2012

[defendandprotect]

23. You mean VP Biden who wants Israel to attack Iran???? Or do you mean the Biden

who personally saw to it that Clarence Thomas remained an eligible candidate

to succeed to the Supreme Court?

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[defendandprotect]

45. Biden's Delaware -- corporatism all the way --

Glad someone remembers!!



Nader once commented on how unlikely that corporations would let us

pick their board of directors -- !

But fairly well we're letting them pick our candidates -- and then

they let us vote for them on hackable computers ... just in case we

get it wrong!!


:)

[treestar]

62. Broad brush there

Why are you quoting as stereotype? Is that a progressive value?

[LynneSin]

44. Yes, also my former senator, who I was honored to have voted for several times

if I want the perfect politician to vote for I'll run for office myself - everyone else is a compromise.

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[Youth Uprising]

24. Sanders/Kucinich would be my preferred option.

My other alternatives would be: Sanders/Weiner or Kucinich/Weiner

[NorthCarolina]

38. Mine too. nt

[emilyg]

48. Works for me.

[DevonRex]

25. Obama/Biden x 3.

[Forkboy]

28. The qualifier "in government" ruins it.

x(

[defendandprotect]

29. 20 years ago my dream ticket would have been Howard Zinn/Ralph Nader ---

we need humanists in the White House!!


If you recall, when Nader ran with the Green Party first time -- he did not use

their platform -- wrote his own --

At one time I started to copy about 52 pages of it -- think it was like 250 pages --

It was like reading justice --

[Kalun D]

40. Vote

I was going to vote for Perot until he quit and came back

wonder why he did that?, I think he really had a chance to win.

Nader always had really sound working class ideals

[defendandprotect]

49. Perot made most of his $$ doing accounting work for Medicare?

Was that it?

All the times he showed the budget, don't think he ever made clear that Social

Security and its huge surplusses should not have been in the budget -- and

simply there to mask the huge Pentagon/MIC.

But he did do 19% as I recall -- tossing the election to Clinton/39%/? --

and giving HW Bush plenty to complain about!!

[tishaLA]

33. no Feingold love?

I would love to see him on the ticket but I still prefer Obama at the top

[spanone]

35. we have our nominee

[white_wolf]

36. I know and terribly disappointing one at that. nt

[Kalun D]

41. I'm going to really mix it up

Pelosi/Grayson

McKinney/Grayson

Winfrey/Grayson

Maddow/Grayson

[defendandprotect]

47. Pelosi has how many millions? Is that really what we want, more millionaries?

Aaaahhhh -- McKinney -- if an audience could hear her -- wow!

Love Grayson --

Winfrey -- ? You mean Oprah? -- Well, she's no Phil Donahue -- but I'd consider it!!

Maddow -- YES!!

No reason not to consider civilian democrats -- they can all run on Dem ticket --

Love Wm. Greider -- Tom Hayden is still a strong anti-war dem, I think?

And tons of others --

We need a humanist in the White House -- not a corporatist politician!

PHIL DONAHUE -- getting a little old -- could be just right age to be the Dem "Reagan"????


:)

[Obamanaut]

58. IIRC Grayson was also on the list of congresspeople who had millions. Why

Grayson and not Pelosi?

[Kalun D]

65. She Passed a Lot of Really Good Bills

that didn't get past the rich white man pigs in the Senate, including the lay-down boxer Reid.

[madinmaryland]

50. Un-recced for THREE REASONS...

1.) You incorrectly spelled "nominees"
2.) You only listed two options.
3.) Are you drunk?

:wtf:

[white_wolf]

53. Great critique.

Are you drunk?

[Hugabear]

51. If I HAD to go with someone other than Obama, I'd say Alan Grayson

But as long as Obama is running, I'll support him.

[upi402]

54. 2. Sanders/Weiner

[Obamanaut]

55. My picks would not be incumbents, for any office. Diapers and politicians should

be changed regularly, and for the same reason.

[Lyric]

56. Elizabeth Warren and Alan Grayson.

[Thunderstruck]

69. I agree on Warren and have admitted my crush on her elsewhere on this board. And,

I'm not ashamed to admit it. I just love her, ok? Anyways, I like Grayson too. But I think we need a labor advocate in that position, like maybe Richard Trumka, though he's a big fan of President Obama.

Outside the box thinking. I like it!

[Lyric]

70. I'm pretty sure Elizabeth Warren would be the best President we've seen since FDR.

She's tough, capable, intelligent, savvy, and (most importantly) unashamed to be an advocate for the PEOPLE. Whoever she picks as her VP is fine by me.

Some will say that she's "unelectable" because the right-wing would go crazy if she were nominated. I say that if a black man with a name like Barack Hussein Obama could get elected, Elizabeth Warren has a damned good chance of it too. :)

[Thunderstruck]

71. Can you tell me who said this?

"The question I have lately is, why not draft Elizabeth Warren to run for president? And I don’t mean in 2016, I mean in 2012."



The idea of Elizabeth Warren for president is not a new one:

http://www.elizabethwarrenforpresident.com/index.htm

And...

Ethan Porter of the Boston Globe: "...But for Democrats to truly take ownership of the economic crisis, Warren will need to play a more prominent role. Not just her ideas, but the force of her personality is needed.

Warren and the Democratic Party need to think seriously about her prospects for higher office.

..."

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2010/01/24/the_woman_democrats_need/

[Shagbark Hickory]

57. Sanders isn't a democrat. He's a socialist. ooh scary. I'd take either. nt

[treestar]

59. My nomines for Congress are progressive

Of course getting those nomines elected could be a bit of work in some states.

Just changing Presidents will do nothing. An ineffective President Sanders, who can get nothing out of Congress and vetoes everything they pass does not advance any progress at all.

President Sanders could use the bully pulpit all day. Nothing would happen. So you'd end up with the same "disappointment."

The thing to do is stop obsessing over the Presidency.

[jpak]

61. Bush/Cheney/Pailin

:D

[NYC Liberal]

64. Obama/Biden, absolutely. nt

[dionysus]

68. ooh, more primary that won't happen pron.....

[Le Taz Hot]

72. Saunders/Spitzer.

Saunders/Maxine Waters

[Ikonoklast]

73. Weiner, who voted AGAINST closing Gitmo?

Hmmm.

Had to keep his constituency happy, or he'd get hammered for it. Seems he sells his progressive principles cheaply, and won't take the heat when it counts.


Too funny.

Another case of DU ignoring a politician being a politician, just because he says the right things, sometimes...but when he votes differently, that fact is conveniently ignored.