Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

President Obama Issues “Signing Statement” Indicating He Won’t Abide by Provision in Budget Bill

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU
 
cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 08:52 PM
Original message
President Obama Issues “Signing Statement” Indicating He Won’t Abide by Provision in Budget Bill
In a statement issued Friday night, President Obama took issue with some provisions in the budget bill – and in one case simply says he will not abide by it.

Last week the White House and congressional Democrats and Republicans were involved in intense negotiations over not only the size of the budget for the remainder of the FY2011 budget, and spending cuts within that budget, but also several GOP “riders,” or policy provisions attached to the bill.

One rider – Section 2262 -- de-funds certain White House adviser positions – or “czars.” The president in his signing statement declares that he will not abide by it.

“The President has well-established authority to supervise and oversee the executive branch, and to obtain advice in furtherance of this supervisory authority,” he wrote. “The President also has the prerogative to obtain advice that will assist him in carrying out his constitutional responsibilities, and do so not only from executive branch officials and employees outside the White House, but also from advisers within it. Legislative efforts that significantly impede the President's ability to exercise his supervisory and coordinating authorities or to obtain the views of the appropriate senior advisers violate the separation of powers by undermining the President's ability to exercise his constitutional responsibilities and take care that the laws be faithfully executed.”

Therefore, the president wrote, “the executive branch will construe section 2262 not to abrogate these Presidential prerogatives.”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/04/president-obama-issues-signing-statement-indicating-he-wont-abide-by-provision-in-budget-bill.html

:rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:00 PM
Response to Original message
1. I know, I know ...
It wasn't right when the Chimp did it, and it's not really right when Obama does it ... but day-uhm, it sure makes me feel good to know that John Boner's blood pressure just went up another 15 points.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. It certainly makes my day knowing that some teabagger's head is going to explode because of this. n/
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:01 PM
Response to Original message
3. Oh, dear. I do hope there are whaaambulances standing by.
The GOP temper tantrum should be erupting in 3...2...1




:rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProfessionalLeftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:02 PM
Response to Original message
4. Excellent!
Good move.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:03 PM
Response to Original message
5. Good for you Barack! They have no right to infringe on your
choice of advisors.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
razorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. No, they don't. They can simply make him pay the advisors from his own pocket.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. They make the budget, he signed it into law...
he has to follow the law.

He's no better than Bush in doing this. It really shows how pervasive this is becoming, and there is really no excuse with him as he was a constitutional law professor.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #8
11. What about the fact that this was a "rider"? What are we dealing with here?
It sounds like a damn insurance policy!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:03 PM
Response to Original message
6. Um, no, the President does not make the budget.
Edited on Fri Apr-15-11 09:04 PM by originalpckelly
If he signed it into law, then he has to abide by it. If he doesn't like it, then he can veto it.

Just where in the US Constitution does it talk about signing statements acting like a line-item veto? Honestly, there is no constitution anymore, they're just making shit up as they go along.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
toddwv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #6
9. Thin line there.
He has the executive power to appoint people to positions that don't determine policy.

The House, however, can cut off funding for a particular office.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #6
15. it was the W junta that started the signing statements thing.
I want such extra-constitutional powers to go away.

But rubbing a few Radical Right noses in it beforehand sure is enjoyable!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #6
17. You obviously didn't read the argument. But then Ideologues simply argue from a box
they never stray from.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #17
21. You obviously didn't read the part where he signed it into law. But then Apologists simply argue
from a box they never stray from.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:19 PM
Response to Original message
10. k&r...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 11:25 PM
Response to Original message
12. fyi, signing statements have been around since james madison signed
Edited on Fri Apr-15-11 11:27 PM by ellenfl
the first one. dubya's abuse of signing statements was the issue, not that he did them. he signed more during his reign than all the presidents before him combined.

ellen fl
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
koffeekup Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 10:11 AM
Response to Original message
13. Youtube of candidate Obama pledging not to use signing statements making the rounds.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 10:38 AM
Response to Reply #13
14. You're having a very busy first day.
Welcome.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #14
19. it's gone already
our mods rock!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #19
23. It's still there. DU mods don't mod youtube! n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 11:44 AM
Response to Original message
16. Ah, but we must follow law strictly if it mandates SWAT raids on pot-selling grandmas.
This is the rare case of a signing statement that might actually be justified constitutionally. The executive has the privilege of choosing advisers.

The way these questions are supposed to be resolved is by veto, however.

Vetos were once routine. Bush didn't use one until 2005, I believe. This has been part of creating a lawless executive that instead picks and chooses which law to follow.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #16
22. And could have been dealt with in the "negotiations". But then that's not O's strong point.
By far.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 11:57 AM
Response to Original message
18. Advising the President is a matter of National Security
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 02:40 PM
Response to Original message
20. I want to go to work for this guy!! No doubt about it!!
Going to make me lay off some of my helpers? Nope, ain't a'gonna do it.

Gotta love Obama, man. He is dah man!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 19th 2024, 06:18 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC