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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 12:37 AM
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99 years ago today (April 15). The RMS Titanic sunk and took 1500 or so
Edited on Sat Apr-16-11 12:38 AM by Liberal In Texas
men, women, and children to their watery graves.



Originally posted in 2005 on the anniversary:

It is a story of over 1500 men, women, and children who died in freezing north Atlantic waters because of corporate incompetence, greed, arrogance, and lack of governmental oversight.
It's a cautionary tale I've followed since I was old enough to pick up "A Night To Remember" when I was a small child.
What we have now, is lessons forgotten. The large corporations don't care one whit about us. They are in it for the profit.
New Orleans is much like that. People don't matter, just profit.
Do you know why the Titanic didn't have a full double bottom? A technology understood in 1912 for about 20 years? It was cheaper not to have it. It was not mandated. Same with the life boats. It's wasn't required, so they didn't do it.
The Titanic sailed with a fire in the coal bunkers. But it would have been too costly to dock the ship and piss off the passengers. Yes, the Titanic sailed with a fire that weakened the bulkheads that might have saved it when the unthinkable happened.

This is exactly what corporate America or corporate England or anyplace else thinks. Unless they're forced to comply with regulations, in many cases, they will not do it.

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luv_mykatz Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 01:00 AM
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1. Exactly!
And they were also driving too fast for the conditions...an all too common practice at the time. The steam ship companies at the time would do anything to make their rich robber baron customers happy. Just like our governments do, now. :(:puke:
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 01:04 AM
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2. Yes. Captain Smith knew he was charging into an ice field
but was driven by the corporate vanity to show up in record time in New York.

As we know now, he never made it.


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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 10:47 AM
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18. They also used to have "contests" for bragging rights...fastest crossing
within the same company and between other shipping companies..

http://www.fathom.com/course/10701037/session2.html

This event marked the start of the modern steamship era, and it established the famous Blue Riband contest for the fastest transatlantic passage by passenger ships. It also launched a period off frenetic competition between the companies, made more intense by the founding of a new shipping line by Samuel Cunard who had won the contract to carry the mails across the Atlantic, on a fleet of four 1,000-ton ships under construction in Scotland. Meanwhile, on 10 July 1839 the Royal Victoria, finally completed as the largest steamship in the world and renamed the British Queen, sailed on her maiden voyage from London to New York.

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http://www.yourdiscovery.com/titanic/tragedy/firstclassship/index.shtml

Luxury Liner

The world’s biggest ship at the time, the Titanic, sails out of Southampton.

The competition to achieve the fastest Atlantic crossing began in the middle of the 19th Century. The record holder was awarded a symbolic honorary title, the so-called Blue Riband. At the beginning of the 20th Century this competition had turned into an ever fiercer fight between the leading shipping companies in England, the USA and Germany. The Cunard Line held the record for a long time with its famous ships Lusitania and Mauretania, which were the fastest passenger ships in the world for 22 years. But in 1907, the British White Star Line belonging to the famous American International Mercantile Marine Company decided to build a trio of ships that would eclipse all other steamships. The dimensions of the new "Olympic class" ships would be almost identical: they would differ only in their fittings and in weight.

The grandiose nature of the scheme was reflected in the names of the future ocean leviathans. The first ship, launched in 1911, was christened Olympic, and a few months later work on the Titanic was completed. The third member of the trio was originally intended to be called Gigantic, but was finally launched in 1914 under the more modest name Britannic. The White Star Line wanted these ships to be an all-round luxury experience. To achieve this, the company was prepared to forgo the Blue Riband, which it could never win with a traveling speed of 21 knots.

The keel of the Titanic was laid down on March 31, 1909 in the docks of Harland & Wolff in Belfast, 15 weeks after the keel laying of its sister ship, the Olympic. As no company in the world had sufficient capacities to build a steamship of this size, several docks had to be put together to make room for the Titanic. The hull alone of the ocean giant required the space of three conventional ships. The Titanic had a total length of 269.04 metres and measured 28.19 metres at its widest point. The height from the keel to the top of the four funnels was 56 metres. These are the dimensions of an 11-storey building. Compared to the 70,000 hp of the Mauretania, the Titanic with approximately 50,000 hp was considerably less powerful. But maximum power would have entailed reductions in comfort: high speeds would have required less weight and as little water resistance as possible. As the Titanic was intended to be a floating city, this kind of construction was not possible. The ship was designed with a huge belly, as an ocean giant with a very high level of water displacement. The propulsion system consisted of a powerful combination of a four cylinder triple expansion reciprocating steam engine and a low pressure Parsons turbine and represented the latest marine technology. The huge engine was powered by 20 boilers and 159 furnaces. The Titanic required 620 to 640 tons of coal per day at sea. The smoke was expelled through enormous funnels, though the fourth funnel of the Titanic was in fact a dummy.

The technical standards of the ship were excellent. The entire Titanic was built of steel; the stays, masts and the bottom were extremely robust. Further, there were double sliding doors throughout the ship and the connection between the engine and boiler rooms consisted of watertight doors which could be closed from the bridge by powerful electromagnets. The luxury liner also had 20 lifeboats, which was deemed entirely sufficient by British security requirements of the time. The White Star Line saw no reason to add extra lifeboats. Alexander Carlisle, one of the directors of the Harland & Wolff shipyard told the British Wreck Commissioner: "We built the ship to enable it to float. We did not build it to enable it collide with an iceberg or a cliff." Unfortunately that is exactly what happened.

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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 01:06 AM
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3. Dial-up warning
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 01:46 AM
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4. Saved.
I have a copy of the NYT repro that sits next to the unfinished 1/350 model of the Titanic.

I also have a copy of a book published in 1912, one of those "instant books" we know and love. it's signed by a Titanic survivor who is listed as one of the dead in the appendix.

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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 10:33 AM
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14. Cool!
A book signed by the corpse... :-)
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Tripod Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 01:46 AM
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5. So tragic.
Not to minimize this tragedy, but nearly the same thing has happened this year with the BP oil rig tragedy. This has not taken so many human lives yet, but it has taken a whole lot of marine life. And under our current federal limits, we are still giving out well drilling permits by the dozens. I hate this stuff. And I saw on MS NBC that next time the permits will be given out without public knowledge. That is great. Not. Are we, as humans to dictate, our lives over the sea's lives. :(
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 02:06 AM
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6. THANKS for this reminder
I've been interested in the Titanic since I was a little girl, read dozens of books on it. A real tragedy that didn't have to happen.
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 03:30 AM
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7. You are welcome.
I will get up tomorrow and watch one of the 1950s movies about the tragedy, but not the stupid Cameron thing. (Although I must admit the special effects are wonderful.)
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 05:31 AM
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8. Additionally, the poor and underpriveleged were kept below so the rich and well to do
could have better access to the lifeboats that were there.

Very few of the passengers in "third class" were among the survivors.
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CJvR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 05:53 AM
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10. Not entirely true.
Edited on Sat Apr-16-11 05:56 AM by CJvR
First class 63% survival - 200.
Second class 43% survival - 117.
Third class 25% survival - 172.
Ship's Crew 23% survival - 215.

http://www.ithaca.edu/staff/jhenderson/titanic.html
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 06:55 AM
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12. Take a good look at those stats
it's true
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 10:36 AM
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15. Consider the proportions--there were a lot more third and fourth class passengers
than first and second. The pooer died in FAR higher numbers.
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CJvR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 02:17 PM
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20. Certainly.
If you didn't notice it I wrote out the % for the classes and the crew.
Sure it was worse the cheaper your ticket was, but there were plenty of survivors from third class.
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dems_rightnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 05:49 AM
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9. What's this tech peice all about its double bottom?
Edited on Sat Apr-16-11 05:49 AM by dems_rightnow
http://titanic-model.com/articles/tech/TechFeatureJune2005.htm

Completely made up?????? Don't think so.....
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CJvR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 06:02 AM
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11. Intresting comparisson...
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 08:04 AM
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13. Here's to my DH's grand-aunt, Bridget Donohoe, who perished
in steerage...along with many other townfolk from Cum and Lahardane.

Also to her brave sisters, (Grandma)Catherine and (Aunt) Nora, who successfully crossed the Atlantic several years later, after whom our daughters are named.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 10:37 AM
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16. Whoa. How sad for your ancestors. How tragic. Steerage...does that
mean the poor folks at the bottom of the ship? The name Donohoe...Irish?
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 04:37 PM
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21. yes and yes. the women in the cheap seats never got to the decks, or the lifeboats.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 04:43 PM
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23. Bonus creepy fact: my husband's Dad had not one but TWO pals
who survived the sinking of the USS Indianapolis.

NEVER, NEVER go boating with my husband's friends and family.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 10:40 AM
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17. OMG--eleny, when I visited the Titanic exhibit, they handed each visitor
Edited on Sat Apr-16-11 10:42 AM by blondeatlast
a ticket representing one passenger.

I'm not kidding--my ticket said Bridget Donohoe. I'm Irish too, and my GG grandparents crossed a few years after the Titanic, so it really struck me.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 04:40 PM
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22. WOW. That's weird. Bridget was in the ships manifest as "Brt. Donohoe",
so for many years -- until only about 15 years ago -- much of the refernce material refers to "Bert", but they finally got it straight.

When I think of the courage it took her sisters to cross, each alone, over here after that, it amazes me...but they were AMAZING women!
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Retrograde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 11:36 AM
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19. True Fact: The Titanic carried more lifeboats than required by the law of the time
Not a whole lot more,admittedly, but more nonetheless. One problem was the law did not keep up with technology: it was written back when passenger ships were a lot smaller, and never updated to take into account advances in engineering that would result in ships with bigger capacities. Sound familiar?

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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 10:15 PM
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24. Yes, it does, more's the pity...
And it didn't help that they sent out the initial ones half empty. But this ship was supposed to be "unsinkable," and that's what most people believed. ;(
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