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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 09:23 PM
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Rep. John Hall Warns Citizens United Could Lead To 'Fascism'
Edited on Wed Dec-29-10 09:31 PM by cal04
Outgoing Democratic Congressman John Hall Warns Citizens United Could Lead To 'Fascism'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/29/john-hall-citizens-united-fascism_n_802470.html

Rep. John Hall (D-N.Y.), who is leaving Capitol Hill after being defeated by Republican challenger Nan Hayworth, recently warned that with the massive changes to campaign finance law prompted by the Supreme Court's Citizens United decision, the nation could soon descend into fascism.

"The country was bought," Hall told The New York Observer in an exit interview. "I learned when I was in social studies class in school that corporate ownership or corporate control of government is called Fascism. So that's really the question -- is that the destination if this court decision goes unchecked?"
(http://www.observer.com/2010/politics/soon-be-ex-congressman-john-hall-warns-against-creeping-fascism)

Hall then placed the blame on the political leanings of specific justices.

"The extremist, most recent two appointees to the Supreme Court, who claimed in their confirmation hearings before the Senate that they would not be activist judges, made a very activist decision in that it overturned more than a century of precedent," Hall explained. "And as a result there were millions of extra dollars thrown into this race."
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 09:31 PM
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1. Fairly obviou$$$$. But it will take some time....
... not to mention suffering........ before Joe and Jane Sixpack figure it out.

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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 09:33 PM
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2. Time to impeach those justices then
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 09:36 PM
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 09:38 PM
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4. too late...already happening
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 09:47 PM
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5. Little late but good on him anyway for saying it out loud.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 09:56 PM
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6. The country has been corporate driven for decades. I can't think of what
more corps could do to improve their position; they've got it all.

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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 10:07 PM
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7. This "pay-to-play" politics keeps wealthy special interests on top of the economic haystack.
"We want fair elections, where issues and voters determine the result - not immense spending by shadowy groups.
"And, most basic: We want our democracy back in the hands of people, not corporations! The only way to achieve that, is to stop the Wall Street banks and corporate chieftains from using their vast wealth to steal our elections and dominate lawmaking for their own selfish interests.
"For that, we want an amendment to the U.S. Constitution, that restores fair elections to the people, and stops corporate entities from buying the elections through massive spending on issue ads and hidden campaign contributions. Money and free speech are not the same; free speech is a right of the people, to assure democratic self-government. Concentration of great wealth should not confer greater voting power or political speech.

http://www.majorityrules.org/2010/12/overturn-citizens-united-demand-fair.html


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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 10:21 PM
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8. My argument for nationalizing some of these corporations
either we own them or they will end up owning us

Right now we are being owned
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 10:33 PM
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9. Good points
"I learned when I was in social studies class in school that corporate ownership or corporate control of government is called Fascism."

See? Public education CAN work, even if it doesn't always.

Apparently the judges' definition of 'not activist' is that they won't help to move the rudder from being pegged at hard right. To straighten it out would, after all, be turning the wheel to the left.
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 11:35 PM
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10. Could? I say HAS!
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 11:45 PM
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11. yes, could, could??
already has!
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 11:48 PM
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12. It's worse than that Mr Hall
IIRC, They sent the case back to the lawyers asking for broadened arguments. They went fishing for an excuse to hang this monstrosity of a decision on, and promptly got what they asked for.

I wonder if Citizens United will be a phrase heard along with Dred Scott in history classes. Personally, I think it will, that it is that significant and needs to be dealt with.

-Hoot

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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 07:53 AM
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13. a congress critter with a semi working simian brain.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 07:57 AM
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14. Or is it the result?
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thanks_imjustlurking Donating Member (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 09:27 AM
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15. Bingo. nt
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 09:29 AM
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16. He's not wrong.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 09:32 AM
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17. Duh!
The silence on this one is deafening.
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jotsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 12:45 PM
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18. I rec'd it.
A list I posted was apparently from an inappropriate source, hope this one is more acceptable.

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x537649>

Thanks to the host and first responder on that thread, which contains said list.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 07:11 PM
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19. Too late..we are there...Fascism Anyone?
Edited on Thu Dec-30-10 07:12 PM by BrklynLiberal
are any of these not already happening??????
The Fascists have been waiting since the days of FDR to take over. They plan to do it with, or without an Adolph Hitler to lead them.


http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/britt_23_2.htm



<snip>

Analysis of these seven regimes reveals fourteen common threads that link them in recognizable patterns of national behavior and abuse of power. These basic characteristics are more prevalent and intense in some regimes than in others, but they all share at least some level of similarity.

1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism. From the prominent displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins, the fervor to show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the regime itself and of citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always obvious. Catchy slogans, pride in the military, and demands for unity were common themes in expressing this nationalism. It was usually coupled with a suspicion of things foreign that often bordered on xenophobia.

2. Disdain for the importance of human rights. The regimes themselves viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the objectives of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the population was brought to accept these human rights abuses by marginalizing, even demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was egregious, the tactic was to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation.

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause. The most significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating as a means to divert the people’s attention from other problems, to shift blame for failures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions. The methods of choice—relentless propaganda and disinformation—were usually effective. Often the regimes would incite “spontaneous” acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists, socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals, and “terrorists.” Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly.

4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism. Ruling elites always identified closely with the military and the industrial infrastructure that supported it. A disproportionate share of national resources was allocated to the military, even when domestic needs were acute. The military was seen as an expression of nationalism, and was used whenever possible to assert national goals, intimidate other nations, and increase the power and prestige of the ruling elite.

5. Rampant sexism. Beyond the simple fact that the political elite and the national culture were male-dominated, these regimes inevitably viewed women as second-class citizens. They were adamantly anti-abortion and also homophobic. These attitudes were usually codified in Draconian laws that enjoyed strong support by the orthodox religion of the country, thus lending the regime cover for its abuses.

6. A controlled mass media. Under some of the regimes, the mass media were under strict direct control and could be relied upon never to stray from the party line. Other regimes exercised more subtle power to ensure media orthodoxy. Methods included the control of licensing and access to resources, economic pressure, appeals to patriotism, and implied threats. The leaders of the mass media were often politically compatible with the power elite. The result was usually success in keeping the general public unaware of the regimes’ excesses.

7. Obsession with national security. Inevitably, a national security apparatus was under direct control of the ruling elite. It was usually an instrument of oppression, operating in secret and beyond any constraints. Its actions were justified under the rubric of protecting “national security,” and questioning its activities was portrayed as unpatriotic or even treasonous.

8. Religion and ruling elite tied together. Unlike communist regimes, the fascist and protofascist regimes were never proclaimed as godless by their opponents. In fact, most of the regimes attached themselves to the predominant religion of the country and chose to portray themselves as militant defenders of that religion. The fact that the ruling elite’s behavior was incompatible with the precepts of the religion was generally swept under the rug. Propaganda kept up the illusion that the ruling elites were defenders of the faith and opponents of the “godless.” A perception was manufactured that opposing the power elite was tantamount to an attack on religion.

9. Power of corporations protected. Although the personal life of ordinary citizens was under strict control, the ability of large corporations to operate in relative freedom was not compromised. The ruling elite saw the corporate structure as a way to not only ensure military production (in developed states), but also as an additional means of social control. Members of the economic elite were often pampered by the political elite to ensure a continued mutuality of interests, especially in the repression of “have-not” citizens.

10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated. Since organized labor was seen as the one power center that could challenge the political hegemony of the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was inevitably crushed or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass, viewed with suspicion or outright contempt. Under some regimes, being poor was considered akin to a vice.

11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts. Intellectuals and the inherent freedom of ideas and expression associated with them were anathema to these regimes. Intellectual and academic freedom were considered subversive to national security and the patriotic ideal. Universities were tightly controlled; politically unreliable faculty harassed or eliminated. Unorthodox ideas or expressions of dissent were strongly attacked, silenced, or crushed. To these regimes, art and literature should serve the national interest or they had no right to exist.

12. Obsession with crime and punishment. Most of these regimes maintained Draconian systems of criminal justice with huge prison populations. The police were often glorified and had almost unchecked power, leading to rampant abuse. “Normal” and political crime were often merged into trumped-up criminal charges and sometimes used against political opponents of the regime. Fear, and hatred, of criminals or “traitors” was often promoted among the population as an excuse for more police power.

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption. Those in business circles and close to the power elite often used their position to enrich themselves. This corruption worked both ways; the power elite would receive financial gifts and property from the economic elite, who in turn would gain the benefit of government favoritism. Members of the power elite were in a position to obtain vast wealth from other sources as well: for example, by stealing national resources. With the national security apparatus under control and the media muzzled, this corruption was largely unconstrained and not well understood by the general population.

14. Fraudulent elections. Elections in the form of plebiscites or public opinion polls were usually bogus. When actual elections with candidates were held, they would usually be perverted by the power elite to get the desired result. Common methods included maintaining control of the election machinery, intimidating and disenfranchising opposition voters, destroying or disallowing legal votes, and, as a last resort, turning to a judiciary beholden to the power elite.

Does any of this ring alarm bells? Of course not. After all, this is America, officially a democracy with the rule of law, a constitution, a free press, honest elections, and a well-informed public constantly being put on guard against evils. Historical comparisons like these are just exercises in verbal gymnastics. Maybe, maybe not.

{/div]
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 07:15 PM
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20. I am going to miss Rep. Hall
And I hope he is back in 2012.
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