Rahm objects to family's lives being interrupted to fly to Chicago to prove they live in Chicago.

[Hannah Bell]

Today, some administrative matters were dealt with in the residency challenge to Rahm Emanuel’s bid for Mayor of Chicago.

Tomorrow, at 9am here in Chicago, Emanuel will have to answer questions from something like 70 objectors to his Mayoral bid, most of whom are oddballs and grandstanders, but with a few top lawyers who know their stuff as well...

I’ve been told the deck is stacked in favor of Emanuel at the hearing tomorrow, which I am going to try to go to, to take all of this in, in person.

BUT, at preliminary hearings last week the objectors to Emanuel’s candidacy brought up the fact that Emanuel was objecting to his wife, Amy Rule, and children having to fly to Chicago from DC, where they live and where the kids go to school, to testify whether or not the family really lives in Chicago.

http://hillbuzz.org/2010/12/13/rahm-emanuel-residency-challenge-update-looks-like-it-is-headed-to-illinois-supreme-court-one-way-or-the-other/


Since the rich & their errand boys own the world, they live anywhere they goddamn say they do. That was a quick decision:

CHICAGO — Former White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel can run for Chicago mayor although he spent much of the last two years living in Washington while working for President Barack Obama, the Chicago Board of Election Commissioners ruled Thursday.

http://www.pjstar.com/news/x1651492465/Emanuel-can-run-for-Chicago-mayor-recommends-hearing-officer

[midnight]

1. I love your title... And I love Chicago... Enjoy...

[DJ13]

2. fly to Chicago to prove they live in Chicago

Only in America....

:rofl:

[madfloridian]

3. And I object to Rahm...

just because.

[tavalon]

Don't we all?

But really, Chicago needs to take one for the team. We need to keep that creature out of DC. It's hard enough these days without this asshat being there.

[Chisox08]

34. Hell no

We have the Corperatist Daley. Rahm can kiss my ass he will not be Mayor of Chicago I will push for anybody who is running against him.

[tavalon]

63. If you don't, he could end up back in DC

You don't want that, do you?

[Chisox08]

78. I don't want him here in Chicago

We have enough problems and we do not want him adding to them.
I see Rahm putting Mayor Daley's privatization of city services into overdrive. He is very anti-union and would be dealing with the same people he called "Fucking Retarded". He could spark the council wars 2 if elected and nothing in our city will get done. He can stay in DC and take some lobbyist job that we all know that he is going to get.

[Hannah Bell]

83. as bloomberg has shown us during the blizzard, the city & its services exist for the rich,

not for the proles.

if there's any left over after they take their cut, maybe you'll get some of the drippings.

privatize? the city belongs to them, they can do as they please with its assets.

you betcha he'll continue to privatize.

user fees for parks will keep the riff-raff out.

maybe they'll open up a special one for the proles & druggies

or open the nice ones once a year for the "little people" like they used to do in england.

[tavalon]

84. I'm guessing you haven't updated your profile in a while?

The snowstorms here have been blessedly few (so far, though we are expecting a more difficult year than last year).

[Hannah Bell]

85. what does my profile have to do with anything?

what do the number of snowstorms in chicago this year have to do with anything?

bloomberg in nyc is demonstrating the new face of power.

cities & their services exist for the benefit of the rich. the rich own them & do as they like. nyc, chicago, wherever, rain or snow.

[tavalon]

86. Sorry, I really had no intention of ruffling your feathers

I noticed that your profile said you lived in Seattle and yet, you seem to be speaking as one who lives in Chicago. Relax, I'm not the enemy.

[Hannah Bell]

87. my feathers aren't ruffled. just had no idea what you were talking about.

still don't see what led you to think i was speaking as one who lived in chicago.

not sure how to say that in a way that sounds -- well -- however it is you would not find it sounding ruffled.

[tavalon]

88. I clearly misunderstood

and when I looked at your profile (we all do it, all the time) I noticed that you are from Seattle but, as I said, it looked like you were handling this topic as though you were local to Chicago. Being from Seattle myself, I commented. That's all.

[Hannah Bell]

89. oh i thought *you* were from chicago. my, this is a comedy of miscommunication.

[tavalon]

90. Hey, we should hit a lladros some time :)

[bullwinkle428]

4. Bulletin : Hubble Telescope photographs Rahm's balls from space

[Chisox08]

79. Are you sure that they didn't use an electron microscope instead

[Aleric]

5. I blame Rahm for ruining the Obama presidency

I still want to believe that Obama *was* a liberal until this filthy SoB turned him into blue-dog.

[Truth2Tell]

25. You know what they say...

You can want to believe in one hand, and shit in the other...

or something like that.

[Liquorice]

55. I doubt Obama is so weak that anyone could turn him into something he isn't. nt

[Aleric]

92. And there is the painful truth of it all.

Rahm was merely the earliest symptom. The anti-liberal/anti-progressive bias in this administration starts at the top.

[bvar22]

93. Without Rahm....

....Obama would never have been President.

[Tx4obama]

6. What's up? Is this bash Rahm night?

Rahm shouldn't have had to prove anything in court.
Illinois law states that a person does not lose residency when living out of town when serving the President/government.

[Hannah Bell]

7. it says nothing of the sort, but thanks for playing.

it says a years' continuous residency is what it says.

but power & money doesn't need to care for law, we all know that.

and there's always an army of syncophants willing to go along.

[hlthe2b]

9. Really? the newspaper articles I've read don't say that...

Do you have the actual passage that you could cite?

[Hannah Bell]

12. do you? and don't you wonder why he changed his tax filing after he decided to run?

The argument is that Emanuel is like Wills…he worked in DC for more than a year so he had this position for longer than the IRS allows for a “temporary assignment”. DC thus became Emanuel’s tax home.

This is important because a person can have investment properties all over the country, owning homes, pieces of real estate, businesses, whatever. But that person can have only one tax home, which is the place that person actually “lives”.

Emanuel still owned a house in Chicago, but he turned that into an investment property when he moved out of the city for DC in 2008. He did not leave the house vacant and available to himself to come and go from it here in Chicago…but even if he did, the Maury Wills Tax Court case shows that the Court can decide where a person reports to work each day is where that person actually “lives”.

http://hillbuzz.org/2010/12/13/rahm-emanuel-residency-challenge-update-looks-like-it-is-headed-to-illinois-supreme-court-one-way-or-the-other/


The objectors had several hours to express their dissent at the commission meeting, where the board opened the floor for more than a dozen of them to react to Morris' recommendation. One objector, Lora Chamberlain, argued that the decision was "very simple" — that since Emanuel didn't physically move back to Chicago until last fall, he was not legally allowed to appear on the ballot.

"That was still 6 ½ months short of what was necessary," Chamberlain said. "Please, just be true to the law."

More than two dozen people had challenged Emanuel's candidacy, contending he didn't meet a one-year residency requirement.

The hearing focused heavily on Emanuel's home, with objectors contending he wasn't a resident partly because he rented out his house when his family joined him in Washington in the summer of 2009.
Emanuel said he leased his home for safety and security reasons.

He tried to move back into his house when he returned to Chicago but the family renting it wanted $100,000 to break the lease and move out early.

http://www.pjstar.com/news/x1651492465/Emanuel-can-run-for-Chicago-mayor-recommends-hearing-officer


but since you know more than i, how about if *you* cite the actual law.

[Tx4obama]

13. See comment #10. And btw, Rahm won the residency case. So, this issue is moot n/t

[Hannah Bell]

19. not moot, it's going to be challenged in court. There was no "case".

It was a political panel who made the decision.

Rahm's right to vote if he registers 30 days before an election is not at issue.

[hlthe2b]

20. Heavens.. there is no need to be rude.. I was asking a question.

I am not a lawyer and already stated that having no dog in this fight, I am following less closely than others. Why do you need to go on the attack? Just asking for the citation that you are basing your understanding on is somehow implying that "I know more than you?"

For heavens sakes. A simple question.....:shrug:

[Hannah Bell]

37. The simple answer is that there's a one-year residency requirement and no exemption for serving the

serving the president.

All that is invented crap they tell the proles, who generally don't check.


Illinois civil code:

(65 ILCS 5/6-3-9) (from Ch. 24, par. 6-3-9)

Sec. 6-3-9. Qualifications of mayor, city clerk, city treasurer and aldermen - Eligibility for other office.

No person shall be eligible to the office of mayor, city clerk, city treasurer or alderman:

(1) Unless he is a qualified elector of the municipality and has resided therein at least one year next preceding his election or appointment; or

(2) Unless, in the case of aldermen, he resides within the ward for which he is elected; or

(3) If he is in arrears in the payment of any tax or other indebtedness due to the city; or

(4) If he has been convicted in Illinois state courts or in courts of the United States of malfeasance in office, bribery, or other infamous crime.

http://law.onecle.com/illinois/65ilcs5/6-3-9.html


The requirements are clear: you have to be a registered voter AND a resident for one year prior to the election. There is no special exemption for serving the president, & no discussion of "intent".

The election is 2/22/11.

Rahm is ineligible.

But he's rich, & has rich friends, so he can do whatever the hell he wants.

[molly77]

48. Rahm can only win with fixed elections

So in the good old USA, he will probably win.

[Hannah Bell]

50. In Chicago? We know he can. Ruled for over 100 years by a few ruling-class

gangs & their paid thugs.

[msanthrope]

62. Um--the objector's lawyer CONCEDES that an exemption DOES exist.

He just doesn't think Rahm qualifies--

"While the municipal code requires a candidate to be a resident for a year, the code does not define residency. It does exempt members of the military who serve away from home. State election code also includes a government service exemption that protects the residency status of anyone who temporarily leaves "on business of the United States."

Emanuel's lawyers are expected to make the claim that serving as White House chief of staff fits the bill. Odelson already has prepared a retort.

"Service to the United States is when you're in the military," Odelson said. "It's not when you're in service to the president of the United States. If that was the criteria, then the social secretary, the cook, the butler, the driver, everybody's in service to the United States."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/elections/ct-met-rahm-residency-challenge-20101126,0,2880173.story?track=rss



You are the only one doubting the law's existence...do you know better than the attorney for the objectors???

[Tx4obama]

10. Yes, the Illinois law does say so, see below

1st paragraph, 2nd sentence on the link below:
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/documents/001000050K3-2.htm

It says: No elector or spouse shall be deemed to have lost his or her residence in any precinct or election district in this State by reason of his or her absence on business of the United States, or of this State.
----------------

There has also been a case in the past of a U.S. ambassador serving overseas that came back to the states and his residency was challenged - he won the case and the case set precedent. You do not lose residency when serving The President or when in the military.

[Hannah Bell]

14. we're not debating voting requirements, but requirements to hold office.

your link is about voting, & specific to subsection 3.1:

ARTICLE 3. QUALIFICATION OF VOTERS

Sec. 3‑1. Every person (i) who has resided in this State and in the election district 30 days next preceding any election therein, or (ii) who has resided in and is registered to vote from the election district 30 days next preceding any election therein and has moved to another election district in this State within said 30 days...is entitled to vote at such election...


Sec. 3-2. (a) A permanent abode is necessary to constitute a residence within the meaning of Section 3‑1. No elector or spouse shall be deemed to have lost his or her residence in any precinct or election district in this State by reason of his or her absence on business of the United States, or of this State. Nothing in this Section shall be construed to prevent homeless individuals from registering to vote under the provisions of this Act.


http://law.justia.com/illinois/codes/2005/chapter3/36247.html

[Tx4obama]

15. We are talking about 'residency' read the code. End of story. n/t

[Hannah Bell]

18. i read the code. it's about voting residency (30 days) & the fact that leaving

on government business doesn't end voting eligibility.

ARTICLE 3. QUALIFICATION OF VOTERS

Sec. 3‑1. Every person (i) who has resided in this State and in the election district 30 days next preceding any election therein, or (ii) who has resided in and is registered to vote from the election district 30 days next preceding any election therein...is entitled to vote at such election for all offices and on all propositions...

Sec. 3‑2. (a) A permanent abode is necessary to constitute a residence within the meaning of Section 3‑1. No elector or spouse shall be deemed to have lost his or her residence in any precinct or election district in this State by reason of his or her absence on business of the United States, or of this State. Nothing in this Section shall be construed to prevent homeless individuals from registering to vote under the provisions of this Act.


Definitions of elector on the Web:

•voter: a citizen who has a legal right to vote
•any of the German princes who were entitled to vote in the election of new emperor of the Holy Roman Empire
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

•A person eligible to vote in an election; An official serving in an electoral college or similar assembly
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/elector

[Tx4obama]

22. And leaving the state to serve the president doesn't affect residency status either. n/t

[Hannah Bell]

29. please show me the section about leaving for two years to work for the president.

(65 ILCS 5/6-3-9) (from Ch. 24, par. 6-3-9)

Illinois state code:

Sec. 6-3-9. Qualifications of mayor, city clerk, city treasurer and aldermen - Eligibility for other office.

No person shall be eligible to the office of mayor, city clerk, city treasurer or alderman:

(1) Unless he is a qualified elector of the municipality and has resided therein at least one year next preceding his election or appointment; or

(2) Unless, in the case of aldermen, he resides within the ward for which he is elected; or

(3) If he is in arrears in the payment of any tax or other indebtedness due to the city; or

(4) If he has been convicted in Illinois state courts or in courts of the United States of malfeasance in office, bribery, or other infamous crime.

No alderman shall be eligible to any office, except that of acting mayor or mayor pro tem, the salary of which is payable out of the city treasury, if at the time of his appointment he is a member of the city council.

http://law.onecle.com/illinois/65ilcs5/6-3-9.html

[Tx4obama]

17. You apparently did not read the other link you posted

Excerpt:

"Illinois law expressly protects the residential status and electoral rights of Illinois residents who are called to serve the national government," Morris wrote in his 35-page ruling.

http://www.pjstar.com/news/x1651492465/Emanuel-can-run-for-Chicago-mayor-recommends-hearing-officer

[Chisox08]

38. That applies to military service and elected office

Rahm wasn't elected. He was appointed to his position.

[msanthrope]

43. Thatnks, but I'll take Abner Mikva's legal opinion on that law over yours.

The amicus he signed on to doesn't agree with your interpretation.

[Hannah Bell]

45. no surprise there. but you still haven't shown me the "express" law.

If you've read the fabulous brief of abner cadaver, then no doubt he cites it.

link me to it.

[msanthrope]

56. I did--downthread. Further, the objector's lawyer completely disagrees with you.

He admits that such a law exists--but that Rahm's service doesn't qualify him.


While the municipal code requires a candidate to be a resident for a year, the code does not define residency. It does exempt members of the military who serve away from home. State election code also includes a government service exemption that protects the residency status of anyone who temporarily leaves "on business of the United States."

Emanuel's lawyers are expected to make the claim that serving as White House chief of staff fits the bill. Odelson already has prepared a retort.

"Service to the United States is when you're in the military," Odelson said. "It's not when you're in service to the president of the United States. If that was the criteria, then the social secretary, the cook, the butler, the driver, everybody's in service to the United States."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/elections/ct-met-rahm-residency-challenge-20101126,0,2880173.story?track=rss

[Hannah Bell]

39. Show me the law. If it's so "express" it ought to be easy. It's certainly

not in the section where THE ONE-YEAR RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT FOR MAYORAL CANDIDATES is laid out.

But no problem.

We already know the law doesn't matter for the rich.

I mean, how many ways do they need to tell us?

Our leaders are mass murderers who walk free.

[msanthrope]

57. Dude--it's been cited to you, and the objector's lawyer CONCEDES that the law exists.

He just disputes that Rahm's service qualifies. He's wrong--


While the municipal code requires a candidate to be a resident for a year, the code does not define residency. It does exempt members of the military who serve away from home. State election code also includes a government service exemption that protects the residency status of anyone who temporarily leaves "on business of the United States."

Emanuel's lawyers are expected to make the claim that serving as White House chief of staff fits the bill. Odelson already has prepared a retort.

"Service to the United States is when you're in the military," Odelson said. "It's not when you're in service to the president of the United States. If that was the criteria, then the social secretary, the cook, the butler, the driver, everybody's in service to the United States."




http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/elections/ct-met-rahm-residency-challenge-20101126,0,2880173.story?track=rss

[Tx4obama]

21. A person's residency is not affected when out of state serving the president

It is a very simple concept to grasp.

[Hannah Bell]

24. regarding voting status. and the law you cite about voting (30 day residency requirement)

says nothing about the president.


but since you have the law at your fingertips, please cite the requirements to run for MAYOR OF CHICAGO, because that's what's under disussion.

Not residency requirements TO VOTE IN ILLINOIS.

Sunday, Rahm Emanuel announced in a video posted on a website that he is preparing to run for mayor of Chicago. But two of Chicago’s top election lawyers say the state’s municipal code is crystal clear that a candidate for mayor must reside in the town for a year before the election.

That doesn’t mean they must simply own a home in the city that they rent out to someone else. They must have a place they can walk into, keep a toothbrush, hang up their jacket and occasionally sleep, the lawyers say.

“The guy does not meet the statutory requirements to run for mayor,” said attorney Burt Odelson. “He hasn’t been back there in 18 months. Residency cases are usually very hard to prove because the candidate gets an apartment or says he’s living in his mother’s basement. Here the facts are easy to prove. He doesn’t dispute he’s been in Washington for the past 18 months. This is not a hard case.”

Illinois municipal code requires that to run for mayor of a town in Illinois, “You must be a registered voter, and you must have resided there for one year prior to the election,” Nally said.

The only exception to that is for “active members of the military” who return to to Illinois “immediately” upon the end of their service.

So while plenty of political people go to work in Washington, D.C., or business people go spend weeks in New York or other places, they have to come home pretty regularly to qualify under that standard, the experts say.

“When he was a congressman, his wife and family lived here, and he would fly home on the weekends,” Nally said. “He had a place to sit on the sofa, to keep a toothbrush.”

But when Emanuel agreed to become chief of staff, the family moved out to D.C. and the home was rented out to another family that now refuses to break the lease and clear the way for Emanuel to move back in. Emanuel could come back to Chicago to vote, but he could not stop at the house he owns on his way to the polling place, and that does not meet the residency test to run for mayor, Nally said.

http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/2010/10/04/per-illinois-code-rahm-emanuel-isnt-eligible-to-run-for-mayor-of-chicago-but-hey-dont-expect-that-to-stop-him-video/



Don't bother trying to come up with more rationalizations. THE FACT THAT RAHM CHANGED HIS TAX FILING AFTER THE FACT PROVES HE KNEW HE WASN'T WITHIN THE REQUIREMENTS.

And most of us already know that RICH PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW THE LAW.

So spare us the bullshit rationalizations.

[msanthrope]

26. Actually, the residency requirement doesn't matter in Rahm's case--

The BCEC found that he never lost residency from 1999--not that he had established, or re-established residency recently.

In his recommendation, Morris wrote that the question wasn't whether Emanuel established residency in Illinois in 2010, but whether he abandoned it. Morris said he found no evidence that Emanuel had done so, arguing that "the touchstone of continued residence is the intention of the resident, and not the physical fact of 'having a place to sleep.'"

Morris also noted that Emanuel was born and married in Chicago, owns a home in the city where he still keeps valuable possessions, has an Illinois driver's license and voted in Chicago in every election between 1999 and February 2010.

http://www.pjstar.com/news/x1651492465/Emanuel-can-run-for-Chicago-mayor-recommends-hearing-officer


There's nothing that indicates Judge Ballard will think differently.

[Hannah Bell]

32. The notoriously corrupt BCEC can make any bullshit ruling it likes. We

all know rich people don't have to follow the law.

However, the law is clear, & says nothing about "intent". It also says nothing about going to "serve the president".


(65 ILCS 5/6-3-9) (from Ch. 24, par. 6-3-9)

Sec. 6-3-9. Qualifications of mayor, city clerk, city treasurer and aldermen - Eligibility for other office.

No person shall be eligible to the office of mayor, city clerk, city treasurer or alderman:

(1) Unless he is a qualified elector of the municipality and has resided therein at least one year next preceding his election or appointment; or

(2) Unless, in the case of aldermen, he resides within the ward for which he is elected; or

(3) If he is in arrears in the payment of any tax or other indebtedness due to the city; or

(4) If he has been convicted in Illinois state courts or in courts of the United States of malfeasance in office, bribery, or other infamous crime.

[Tx4obama]

30. You're ignoring the law that protects residency of folks serving the president.

Rahm will run and Rahm will win.
He has received tons of free publicity in Illinois due to the residency challenge,
his name recognition skyrocketed.
Everyone I know in Illinois thinks Rahm handled himself great during the hearings,
and are planning to vote for him.

Goodnight ;)

[Hannah Bell]

35. There is no such law. That's why I'm "ignoring" it. It doesn't exist.

What exists is one law for the peons, & no laws for the rich.

and everyone knows it except those who get fat working for the rich.

goodnight.

[msanthrope]

40. Here's reference to said law, from the link you helpfully gave....

"Illinois law expressly protects the residential status and electoral rights of Illinois residents who are called to serve the national government," Morris wrote in his 35-page ruling.



http://www.pjstar.com/news/x1651492465/Emanuel-can-run-for-Chicago-mayor-recommends-hearing-officer

[Hannah Bell]

42. if there was such an "express" law, you could link me to it. there isn't, & you can't.

I don't care what any bought-off Illinois commission member says.

Show me the "express" law.

[msanthrope]

53. Here.

ARTICLE 3. QUALIFICATION OF VOTERS

(10 ILCS 5/3‑2) (from Ch. 46, par. 3‑2)
Sec. 3‑2. (a) A permanent abode is necessary to constitute a residence within the meaning of Section 3‑1. No elector or spouse shall be deemed to have lost his or her residence in any precinct or election district in this State by reason of his or her absence on business of the United States, or of this State. Nothing in this Section shall be construed to prevent homeless individuals from registering to vote under the provisions of this Act.

http://law.justia.com/illinois/codes/2005/chapter3/3624...



FURTHER--the main lawyer for the objectors DOES NOT DISPUTE this---he just thinks this law is limited to the military, but has no case law to support this. Nor does stautory construction support this interpretation.


"While the municipal code requires a candidate to be a resident for a year, the code does not define residency. It does exempt members of the military who serve away from home. State election code also includes a government service exemption that protects the residency status of anyone who temporarily leaves "on business of the United States."

Emanuel's lawyers are expected to make the claim that serving as White House chief of staff fits the bill. Odelson already has prepared a retort.

"Service to the United States is when you're in the military," Odelson said. "It's not when you're in service to the president of the United States. If that was the criteria, then the social secretary, the cook, the butler, the driver, everybody's in service to the United States.""
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/elections/ct-met-rahm-residency-challenge-20101126,0,2880173.story?track=rss


You are arguing this backasswards--that Rahm has been a resident since 1999 is not at issue. The objectors could not name an action that interrupted that residency.

[Hannah Bell]

61. That is about voting residency (30 days requirement) & voting rights.

The whole section is about voting.

The section quoted specifically refers to the clause above it. It is not a general statement about residency. It is a specific statement about voting residency.

You know better.

The requirements for holding all offices in the state are set out in an entirely different section of the code.

There are two requirements in the code to run for mayor. To be a registered voter AND a resident for one year PRIOR TO THE ELECTION.

There is no qualifying clause.

No problem, WE ALREADY KNOW the ONLY REQUIREMENT TO HOLD OFFICE IS TO BE RICH AND CORRUPT.

[msanthrope]

64. OMFG--the objector's own lawyer doesn't agree with you, Hannah.

He conceeds that an exemption exists--but he doesn't think Rahm qualifies for it.

Perhaps you should call him up and tell him he's wrong....


"While the municipal code requires a candidate to be a resident for a year, the code does not define residency. It does exempt members of the military who serve away from home. State election code also includes a government service exemption that protects the residency status of anyone who temporarily leaves "on business of the United States."

Emanuel's lawyers are expected to make the claim that serving as White House chief of staff fits the bill. Odelson already has prepared a retort.

"Service to the United States is when you're in the military," Odelson said. "It's not when you're in service to the president of the United States. If that was the criteria, then the social secretary, the cook, the butler, the driver, everybody's in service to the United States.""


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/elections/ct-met-rahm-residency-challenge-20101126,0,2880173.story?track=rss

[Hannah Bell]

69. The state election code contains such a provision - but it references the rights of ELECTORS, i.e.

voters, to remain registered voters (30-day residency requirement).

If there is another such provision that references the residency rights of "anyone" for any purpose, please link me to it. You have so far failed to do so, even with the aid of the fabulous brief of Counselor Cadaver.

The point is moot, however, as Rahm himself declared himself non-resident in his tax filing.

Until he decided he wanted to run for office, at which time he declared himself resident retroactively.

But that is also moot, for the law actually reads: RICH PEOPLE CAN DO WHATEVER THE HELL THEY WANT, & WILL PAY THEIR SYNCOPHANTS TO READ THE LAW ANY WAY THEY PLEASE.

[msanthrope]

71. You should totally get in touch with the objector's attorney, and tell him he's doing it wrong. n/t

[Hannah Bell]

73. i have no idea what legal points the objector's attorney cited.

i only know what the papers reported or implied.

unlike yourself, apparently, i don't believe everything i read in the papers.

i've repeatedly asked you & the other poster to show me this law.

you keep referring me to a law that expressly refers to residency in relation to voting rights (30 days residency requirement).

there's a clear reason why temporary business in another state shouldn't affect voting rights, & why residency requirements are minimal.

however, the law for mayoral candidates is a year's residency prior to assuming office.

and as i keep stating, RAHM DECLARED HIMSELF TO BE NON-RESIDENT IN HIS TAX FILING.

But of course, I keep forgetting: THE RICH ARE BOUND BY NO LAWS.

The kind of finagling Rahm did -- renting out his house when it was convenient for him, trying to oust the contracted tenant when it was convenient for him, declaring himself non-resident when it was convenient, retroactively declaring himself resident when it was convenient -- all to grub money or power -- this sort of thing is considered "clever" BY THE CORRUPT.

[msanthrope]

75. You've been given the law. You've been given the ruling. If you refuse to understand,

not my problem.

[hlthe2b]

8. I think you are right on that score... I've no "dog" in this fight...

and back no one, but it does appear that this is pretty clear cut. He has been serving the current administration and the law makes accommodations for that official service. :shrug:

[Tx4obama]

11. See comment #10 for the link to the Illinois code.

[Hannah Bell]

41. That's a link to the 30-day residency requirement for voters.

It's nothing to do with the ONE-YEAR RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT FOR MAYORAL CANDIDATES, HERE:

http://law.onecle.com/illinois/65ilcs5/6-3-9.html


We all know, however, that rich people don't have to follow the law.

But at least in the good old days the Bushes, Rockefellers, etc. took over states, they'd make a pretense of following it. By establishing residency before they ran their phony elections.

[JVS]

46. I certainly hope his opponents file lawsuits against him.

[msanthrope]

59. The objector's lawyer CONCEDES that the law exists...only Hannah disputes its existence.

While the municipal code requires a candidate to be a resident for a year, the code does not define residency. It does exempt members of the military who serve away from home. State election code also includes a government service exemption that protects the residency status of anyone who temporarily leaves "on business of the United States."

Emanuel's lawyers are expected to make the claim that serving as White House chief of staff fits the bill. Odelson already has prepared a retort.

"Service to the United States is when you're in the military," Odelson said. "It's not when you're in service to the president of the United States. If that was the criteria, then the social secretary, the cook, the butler, the driver, everybody's in service to the United States."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/elections/ct-met-rahm-residency-challenge-20101126,0,2880173.story?track=rss

[Hannah Bell]

67. The code does not define residency; but precedent defines it as physical & tax residency,

& Rahm explicitly stated he was NOT a resident in his tax filing.

And when he rented out his former house for a profit, he treated it as an investment property.

Then when Daley resigned & Rahm decided to run for office, he sent in a new tax filing. And he tried to kick the renter he had contracted with out of the house.

The law is clear. The requirements to be mayor are:

1. One year's residency.
2. Being a registered voter.

The rest is crap to cloud the facts.

BTW, to the person who keeps insisting I can't write, can't spell, can't do math, & that demonstrates the deficiency of my PUBLIC EDUCATION from PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHERS:

It's CONCEDES.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3A+conceeds


But you're quite right, neither spelling nor law matter SO LONG AS YOU'RE RICH.

[msanthrope]

68. Well, when you've stooped to correcting spelling, then I know you've conceded.

You shouldn't make it so easy.

[Hannah Bell]

72. lol. says the person who has repeatedly said i can't spell, can't write, can't do math,

thereby demonstrating the inadequacy of my public school education & the public schools generally.

but i know you just bullshit to cloud the waters.

it's still bullshit though.

[Chisox08]

36. Wow you must have read some Illinois law that I haven't heard of!

Because I am from Chicago and the law states the you must be a resident of the district you are running for at the filing deadline. The only exception is for military service. Being an asshole in DC doesn't count as military service. He gave up his residency when he rented out his house and didn't intend on living there during the time he was a resident of DC.
Sorry try again. We don't want him nor do we need him.

[Tx4obama]

54. Try again. Rahm was/is a resident, he never lost his residency.

Page 31, #74.
" Illinois law expressly protects the residential status and electoral rights of Illinois citizens that are called to serve the national government .... "

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/files/morrisrecommendation.pdf

If you start reading 10 or so pages before page 31 and continue after you read page 31 - you'll get the whole picture ;)

[Chisox08]

60. He gave it up when he rented out his house.

Either way it goes he still will not win. I have a say in that. So he can waste his time and money running for an office that he will not win. Every union in the Chicago area except for the FOP is gearing up to campaign against him. City Employees recognize that Rahm will be worst for Chicago than Daley.

[msanthrope]

94. Under your rubric, only homeowners can vote, then? What about the homeless? n/t

[tavalon]

65. It's always bash Rahm night here.

You do know where you are, don't you?

I hate our turdblossom, but I hate him less in Chicago. Now, he just amuses me.

[EFerrari]

16. LOL

[msanthrope]

23. Is this like your 3rd thread on Rahm in 24 hours???

This isn't as funny as the Sun Myung Moon coronation thread.


too bad. That was classic.

[Hannah Bell]

47. Is this like your 400th comment on one of my threads in 8 hours, minus

your little dinner/family break?

There was no moon coronation thread.

Only you disparaging davis & pumping up clinton-rahm.

Just two sets of grafters on different teams.

And clinton's wife got moon graft too, lol.

"My corrupt politicians are better than yours".

[Mimosa]

27. K&R & ROTFLMAO! Don't you just love politicians?

Don't answer that, Hannah! ;)

[prolesunited]

28. Are you moving to Chicago to vote in the election?

Must get hard to find an ax to grind when everyone is enjoying the holidays.

[tuckessee]

33. Nah, only his dead relatives are moving to Chicago. n/t

[Hannah Bell]

44. evil never sleeps, you know, mr. "prolesunited".

thanks for the gratuitous personal attack, shall i return the favor?

ok, i'll put you down as one who's ok with one law for the proles & none at all for the rich.

[JVS]

31. It would probably be a lot more convenient if they actually lived in Chicago.

[molly77]

51. Bush Cheney and the gang made up rules and laws as they

went along too. That all turned out so well.

[Tx4obama]

49. Page 31, #74

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/files/morrisrecommendation.pdf

If you start reading 10 or so pages before page 31 and continue after you read page 31 - you'll get the whole picture ;)

Rahm, the future Mayor of Chicago, has all of his ducks in a row.

[Hannah Bell]

52. you were going to bed, remember? guess it must have kept nagging at you, lol.

give me the money quote, since you pretend you have it:

cite the law that says residency doesn't matter if a person resides in illinois in their mind, by "intent" or has a job with the president.

it's very easy to link the law, if it exists.

if it doesn't, i'm not going to read 10 pages of legal bullshit trying to finesse that fact.

On edit: LOL. I made the mistake of looking. What a pitiful pile of crap.

Translation:

1. Serving the president is very important, therefore the laws don't matter.

2. The section of Illinois code regarding voting says voters (30-day residency requirement) don't lose their voting residency if they go out of state on government business, so that must mean that anyone can run for mayor whether they fulfill the 1-year residency requirement or not, so long as they're doing some kind of "government business".

Oh, except the learned Morris, like the poster on this thread, doesn't note that the section of the code he quotes is about VOTING RIGHTS (RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT 30 DAYS) & not right to run for office (RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT 1 YEAR)

3. Rahm is rich & backed by powerful people who want him to run Chicago, & those same people pay me by the decision, ergo Rahm can be mayor, govenor, president, king, what do I care as long as I get my palm crossed with silver?


It looks like the only fixed requirement for holding public office these days is TO BE CORRUPT AS A MOTHERFUCKER.

[Tx4obama]

58. I gave you the link to the ruling and the page number.

I have proven that I am right.
If you wish to back up your opinion with a citation that shows Rahm is ineligible then you are more than welcome to peruse the pdf and find where you think I am wrong.

Why do you keep saying 'voting residency. I am talking about 'residency status'.

Page 31, #74.
" Illinois law expressly protects the residential status and electoral rights of Illinois citizens that are called to serve the national government .... "

I've had enough of this foolishness.
I don't understand what you have against people that work and make money, would you rather that everyone was poor and homeless?

Have a sip of wine and relax ;)

Happy Holidays.

[msanthrope]

66. The objector's lawyer CONCEDES that the law exists...only Hannah disputes its existence.

While the municipal code requires a candidate to be a resident for a year, the code does not define residency. It does exempt members of the military who serve away from home. State election code also includes a government service exemption that protects the residency status of anyone who temporarily leaves "on business of the United States."

Emanuel's lawyers are expected to make the claim that serving as White House chief of staff fits the bill. Odelson already has prepared a retort.

"Service to the United States is when you're in the military," Odelson said. "It's not when you're in service to the president of the United States. If that was the criteria, then the social secretary, the cook, the butler, the driver, everybody's in service to the United States."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/elections/ct-met-rahm-residency-challenge-20101126,0,2880173.story?track=rss

[Tx4obama]

70. There was another case that set precedent.

There was an Ambassador that was serving the president overseas for a year or so. He returned to the the USA and decided to run for some office, his residency was challenged, and the court ruled that when 'serving the president' if your duties take you out of state or out of the country it does not affect your residency.

I can't find the info regarding that case, but it was mentioned in an article at the beginning of all the hoopla regarding Rahm's residency.

[msanthrope]

74. Don't you just LOVE Duer's taking the side of a Bush recount attorney?

Burt Odelson was infamous in Florida in 2000....

I think the Ambassador in question was Charles Dawes.

[Hannah Bell]

76. Gee, you just told me my interpretation of the law was different from Odelson's --

do make up your mind, please.

it's so difficult to keep up with your spin.

as it is difficult to keep up with the spin of the CORRUPT CHICAGO MAFIA RUN BY THE RICH.

as it is difficult to keep up with the spin of the CORRUPT ED DEFORMERS RUN BY THE RICH.

But why try?

As we all know, THE RICH ACKNOWLEDGE NO LAW BUT THEIR OWN WILL.

Now, since you have no rebuttal to the facts about requirements to run for mayor of chicago:

1. Registered Illinois voter
2. Residency of one year prior to the election

and nothing to offer but a law specifically about voting residency (30 days residency requirement) not being nullified by temporary absence...

you & your friend, who said he was going to bed hours ago but apparently cannot leave the field....may discuss your talking points with each other & disparage me, my english skills, my math skills, my intelligence, my political motivations, and whatever else you wish -- to your hearts' content.

but it's obvious to most of the population; THE RICH ACKNOWLEDGE NO LAWS.

[Tx4obama]

77. Oh my goodness

1) I 'never' said I was going to bed. You assumed that I was going to bed when I said 'goodnight'. I was actually heading out off this thread at the time and heading over to do something else, but then I decided to returned.

2) I am not a 'he', and am a 'she'.

3) No one has any intention of disparaging you.

4) I look forward to see what happens with the 'Rahm' residency issue (if it goes to court) and the election in the future - we certainly aren't going to get anywhere tonight ;)

[Hannah Bell]

81. *you* may have no intention of disparaging me, but i assure you, a certain person certainly does.

my apologies for calling you a he.

nope, not going to get anywhere.

but we all learned something, didn't we?

[Tx4obama]

82. Well this is a HOOT

I did a little searching on Charles Dawes and came up with this interesting article on him - from 85 YEARS ago - apparently he said that 'the Senate should put an end to filibustering by tightening up its rules'.
Maybe the senate will do just that on January 5, 2011 :)

Monday, Dec. 14, 1925
The Congress: President Dawes
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,786539,00.html

[msanthrope]

91. That is a hoot. So is this thread. n/t

[Sherman A1]

80. Simple answer

Don't run for mayor and it no longer becomes an issue where one lives.

[AngryOldDem]

95. Poor Rahm. n/t