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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 06:12 PM
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Now, wait just a damned minute. Standard & Poor brought us the crisis, now they downrate the US?
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/14/business/14crisis.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

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The 650-page report, “Wall Street and the Financial Crisis: Anatomy of a Financial Collapse,” was released Wednesday by the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, whose co-chairmen are Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat, and Tom Coburn, a Republican of Oklahoma. The result of two years’ work, the report focuses on an array of institutions with central roles in the mortgage crisis: Washington Mutual, an aggressive mortgage lender that collapsed in 2008; the Office of Thrift Supervision, a regulator; the credit ratings agencies Standard & Poor’s and Moody’s Investors Service; and the investment banks Goldman Sachs and Deutsche Bank.

“The report pulls back the curtain on shoddy, risky, deceptive practices on the part of a lot of major financial institutions,” Mr. Levin said in an interview. “The overwhelming evidence is that those institutions deceived their clients and deceived the public, and they were aided and abetted by deferential regulators and credit ratings agencies who had conflicts of interest.”

The bipartisan report includes 19 recommendations for changes to regulatory and industry practices. These include creating strong conflict-of-interest policies at the nation’s banks and requiring that banks hold higher reserves against risky mortgages. The report also asks federal regulators to examine its findings for violations of laws.

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S&P’s Negative Call Stems From Crisis That Some Say It Caused

http://www.cnbc.com/id/42650973

After laying out the strengths of the U.S. and reasons why it is maintainiing the country's highest "AAA" rating, the first reason presented in Standard & Poor’s market-pummeling note for its change to a negative outlook for the country is the financial crisis.

“We note the U.S.'s fiscal profile has deteriorated steadily during the past decade and, in our view, has worsened further as a result of the recent financial crisis and ensuing recession,” said Nikola Swann, in the fourth paragraph of the S&P note. “Moreover, more than two years after the beginning of the recent crisis, U.S. policymakers have still not agreed on a strategy to reverse recent fiscal deterioration or address longer-term fiscal pressures.”

Many investors found the statement ironic, because they believe S&P’s triple-A credit ratings on mortgage-backed securities were a key factor in allowing the investment banks to propel the housing bubble into the stratosphere on the back of bad loans disguised as good credit. It is the housing crash that is the number one reason for the budget shortfalls the country faces today.

“The emperor is naked, but he’s been so for years,” said Patty Edwards of Trutina Financial. “I’m struck by the irony that it is the tailor who sold the emperor the non-existent suit who is now pointing fingers.”

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Methinks somebody might be bettin' against America. But then, Greenspan just thinks I am a parasite.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 06:22 PM
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1. So sick.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 06:27 PM
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2. The Ratings Companies were implicated in the Financial Meltdown
on Wall Street. They gave those sorry Bundles of Nothing
the Street was gambling with--yes they gave those failing
mortgages a AAA Rating.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 06:29 PM
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3. S&P is part of the conservative financial terrorist network

They knew what they were doing when they were helping to create the mortgage bubble, which Im starting to think was a deliberate plan to weaken our economy so the right could reach critical mass to ram through their long term goal of destroying what remained of the New Deal.

This ploy moves that goal even closer by timing it to coincide with the right's promotion of the Ryan deficit plan.

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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 08:29 AM
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9. +1
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 06:57 PM
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4. I say, I say hold on a minute there boy
Um, that seems to be the case. Got us coming and going.

I'm getting *really* tired of shit like this.

-Hoot
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jeff47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 08:14 AM
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5. The proper response from the government:
Opening a fraud investigation of S+P for the AAA ratings they gave crap securities.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 08:18 AM
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6. Someone bring me my guillotine. Nt
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 01:44 PM
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12. I'm going to open Easy G's Discount Pitchforks And Torches Emporium.
Edited on Tue Apr-19-11 01:44 PM by Initech
I'd make bank off that. Oh wait... :evilgrin:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 07:06 PM
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13. LOL! Be sure to open a store on easy & made in America!
You'll make 'bank'.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 08:21 AM
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7. Neat trick huh?
:eyes:
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mfcorey1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 08:27 AM
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8. The things in the right wings determination to take over America are unending. nt
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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 01:27 PM
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10. K&R
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 01:41 PM
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11. I predict multi-zero bonuses in the futures of the S&P executives. nt.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 07:10 PM
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14. They don't do it out of spite
They do it because their advice will make a profit for a small group of people.

"Countries" mean nothing to them other than potential sources of revenue.

And it seems like America has been tapped out.
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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 07:11 PM
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15. My first thought when I heard this was that this is a way for them
to force the GOP agenda. Get the fear factor going in the people, get everyone on board to agree with all the budget cuts and destruction of safety nets. We will all be so so happy to have the cuts, you know, to save the country. This is like crying "bankrupt".
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