Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

A few questions on Single-payer.

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU
 
white_wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 10:21 PM
Original message
A few questions on Single-payer.
Does anyone have any sources that dispel the myth that Canada and other single payer systems ration care and result in people dying from long waits? I've searched online but can't find it, I've ran into way too many RW sites, so I decided to ask DU
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 10:29 PM
Response to Original message
1. this should fit the bill:
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Health/O_Canada_KP.html

It's a pretty well known article; a little dated, from 1999, but the arguments and observations still apply.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
whoneedstickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 10:30 PM
Response to Original message
2. The best I've found so far..
http://healthcoalition.ca/main/issues/wait-times

There was another study I found in pdf form once. It looked at median wait times and standard deviations.

The main thing to point out is that if you have no insurance your wait time is forever.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
groundloop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 10:31 PM
Response to Original message
3. That's exactly why it's such a bitch dealing with right wing lies
You have to waste all kinds of precious time looking up the facts to disprove one lie (which has been told so many times that it's accepted as fact by the time you disprove it), and by then they've already spread 10 more lies.

Google some information on worldwide healthcare rankings, life expectancy, things like that. All of the "socialized" countries rank way ahead of us in any measure of quality of care.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 10:34 PM
Response to Original message
4. Here is some interesting info on universal health care..
I was surprised at the list of countries that already have it. It wouldn't be so world-wide if people didn't like it.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care>

Here is a list of some of the countries and their plans:
AmericasArgentina, Barbados, Brazil (see below), Canada (see below), Chile, Colombia (see below), Costa Rica, Cuba, Mexico (see below), Panama, Peru (see below), Uruguay, Trinidad and Tobago, and Venezuela all have public universal health care provided.

ArgentinaMain article: Health care in Argentina
Health care is provided through a combination of employer and labor union-sponsored plans (Obras Sociales), government insurance plans, public hospitals and clinics and through private health insurance plans. It costs almost 10% of GDP and is available to anyone regardless of ideology, beliefs, race or nationality.

BrazilMain article: Health care in Brazil
The universal health care system was adopted in Brazil in 1988 after the end of the military regime's rule. However, free health care was available many years before, in some cities, once the 27th amendment to the 1969 Constitution imposed the duty of applying 6% of their income in healthcare on the municipalities.<5>

CanadaMain article: Health care in Canada
In 1984, the Canada Health Act was passed, which prohibited extra billing by doctors on patients while at the same time billing the public insurance system. In 1999, the prime minister and most premiers reaffirmed in the Social Union Framework Agreement that they are committed to health care that has "comprehensiveness, universality, portability, public administration and accessibility."<6>

The system is for the most part publicly funded, yet most of the services are provided by private enterprises or private corporations, although most hospitals are public. Most doctors do not receive an annual salary, but receive a fee per visit or service.<7> About 29% of Canadians' health care is paid for by the private sector or individuals.<8> This mostly goes towards services not covered or only partially covered by Medicare such as prescription drugs, dentistry and vision care.<9> Many Canadians have private health insurance, often through their employers, that cover these expenses.<10>

The Canada Health Act of 1984 "does not directly bar private delivery or private insurance for publicly insured services," but provides financial disincentives for doing so. "Although there are laws prohibiting or curtailing private health care in some provinces, they can be changed," according to a report in the New England Journal of Medicine.<11><12> The legality of the ban was considered in a decision of the Supreme Court of Canada which ruled in Chaoulli v. Quebec that "the prohibition on obtaining private health insurance, while it might be constitutional in circumstances where health care services are reasonable as to both quality and timeliness, is not constitutional where the public system fails to deliver reasonable services." The appellant contended that waiting times in Quebec violated a right to life and security in the Quebec Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms. The Court agreed, but acknowledged the importance and validity of the Canada Health Act, and at least four of the seven judges explicitly recognized the right of governments to enact laws and policies which favour the public over the private system and preserve the integrity of the public system.

ColombiaMain article: Health in Colombia
In 1993 a reform transformed the health care system in Colombia, trying to provide a better, sustainable, health care system and to reach every Colombian citizen.

GreenlandGreenland has a free medical service funded by taxation.<13> There is a hospital in every town, and in the settlements there is usually a nursing clinic. In the event of an acute illness, treatment is free of charge even to foreign visitors to Greenland.<14>

MexicoFurther information: Health care in Mexico
Public health care delivery is accomplished via an elaborate provisioning and delivery system instituted by the Mexican Federal Government. Public health care is provided to all Mexican citizens as guaranteed via Article 4 of the Constitution. Public care is either fully or partially subsidized by the federal government, depending on the person's (Spanish: derechohabiente's) employment status. All Mexican citizens are eligible for subsidized health care regardless of their work status via a system of health care facilities operating under the federal Secretariat of Health (formerly the Secretaria de Salubridad y Asistencia, or SSA) agency. Employed citizens and their dependents, however, are further eligible to use the health care program administered and operated by the Instituto Mexicano del Seguro Social (IMSS) (English: Mexican Social Security Institute). The IMSS health care program is a tripartite system funded equally by the employee, its private employer, and the federal government. The IMSS does not provide service to employees of the public sector. Employees in the public sector are serviced by the Instituto de Seguridad y Servicios Sociales de los Trabajadores del Estado (ISSSTE) (English: Institute for Social Security and Services for State Workers), which attends to the health and social care needs of government employees. This includes local, state, and federal government employees. The government of the states in Mexico also provide health services independently of those services provided by the federal government programs. In most states, the state government has established free or subsidized healthcare to all their citizens.

On December 1, 2006 the Mexican government created the Health Insurance for a New Generation also known as "life insurance for babies".<15><16><17>

On May 16, 2009 Mexico to Achieve Universal Health Coverage by 2011.<18>

On May 28, 2009 Mexico announced Universal Care Coverage for Pregnant Women.<19>

PeruFurther information: es:Aseguramiento Universal en Salud
On April 9, 2009 the Government of Peru published the Law on Health Insurance to enable all Peruvians to access quality health services, and contribute to regulate the financing and supervision of these services. The law enables all population to access diverse health services to prevent illnesses, and promote and rehabilitate people, under a Health Basic Plan (PEAS).<20><21>

On April 2, 2010 President Alan Garcia Perez on Friday signed a supreme ordinance approving the regulations for the framework law on the Universal Health Insurance, which seeks to provide access to quality health care for all Peruvian citizens.

Peru’s Universal Health Insurance law aims to increase access to timely and quality health care services, emphasizes maternal and child health promotion, and provides the poor with protection from financial ruin due to illness.<22>

The regulation states that membership of the Universal Health Insurance (AUS for its Spanish acronym) is compulsory for the entire population living in the country. To that end, the Ministry of Health will approve, by supreme ordinance, the mechanisms leading to compulsory membership, as well as escalation and implementation.<23>

Trinidad and TobagoMain article: Health care in Trinidad and Tobago
A universal health care system is used in Trinidad and Tobago and is the primary form of health-care available in the country. It is used by the majority of the population seeking medical assistance, as it is free for all citizens.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
white_wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 10:49 PM
Response to Original message
5. Wow. According to the CIA we rank 46th in infant mortality rates.
I can't wait to hear my RW professor try and spin them to be unAmerican.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 11:51 PM
Response to Original message
6. I'm Canadian and that is utter nonsense. There are wait times for elective
surgery like knee replacements but what most people don't know is that one of the main reason for the wait times is that specialists control the number of med students admitted to each specialty and they consistly keep the numbers low.


As for life threatening illnesses no wait times unless someone is in a remote area. The following is a good source, it is the Ontario govt website on Wait Times


http://waittimes.hco-on.ca/en/search/surgery/adult
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr 25th 2024, 06:10 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC