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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:21 PM Original message |
How do we define 'Bigotry'? A start to an important conversation |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
1. I support free speech |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. So am I right in saying that you think nothing should be deleted no matter what is said and that... |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. To be more clear on this... |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. I will bet that most feminists disagree with you if I recall the B**** discussions |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 03:02 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Dunno |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 03:39 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. I agree that words are only part of it. I discussed them with you because you brought up specifics |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 09:08 AM Response to Reply #11 |
40. You wrote: |
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JustAnotherGen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 09:11 AM Response to Reply #8 |
41. It's often used by |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:38 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Stop being a dick |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Using a woman's body part as an insult is demeaning to women, yes. n/t |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:00 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. And that is where I thought most women would position themselves on that... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Having made so many mistakes myself |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 11:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
26. If I call someone a dick, am I anti-men? /nt |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 11:21 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. I would argue yes. Since men are not a minority class and do not suffer prejudice, we dont typically |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 06:05 AM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Sir, your argument there is silly |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 05:05 PM Response to Reply #35 |
51. See Thomcat's #46 which is exactly the point. It is still gender loaded language. n/t |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #26 |
46. Calling someone a dick is still still using gender loaded language, |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:34 AM Response to Reply #46 |
55. I don't buy that at all |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
45. You would be wrong about using any derogotory reference to |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:19 AM Response to Reply #45 |
57. See how easy it is to call someone a bigot? |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
2. K&R... |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
4. Be wary of people who want a "line in the sand" |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:42 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I thought of that. I hope that doesnt end up describing a lot of people. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
9. I think the vast majority of DUers are for complete equal rights for everyone. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 03:33 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. The point is to come up with rules or guidelines that are not ambiguous. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 03:52 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. When I speak of implementation, I'm not just speaking about the order that things are done. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Generally, Democrats, Liberals, Progressives feel that affirmative action IS equal rights |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. It sounds like you only want to allow opinions that agree with yours. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 11:22 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. Actually, it is a progressive and liberal position. And yes, I only want Liberal/Democratic |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 06:55 AM Response to Reply #29 |
37. The point is that when people's positions are wrong, there should not be a rule against telling them |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 05:15 PM Response to Reply #37 |
52. If we create a poll here, or any other Democratic leaning site, you will see quickly how you are |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Additionally, I think the issue is that we are failing as a community to address these things well |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
13. More examples, cross posted from Sapphocrat (I hope it is OK with them) |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
16. There's a lot of casual because accepted bigotry that as Americans |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 11:16 PM Response to Reply #16 |
27. Actually, that IS helpful /nt |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
21. I do not think we should tolerate intolerant bigots who refuse to be reasonable. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:26 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. I've seen this discussion pop up in the GLBT forum before, and it really irritates me. |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:45 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Yes, I agree. Great quote, thanks. nt |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 11:35 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. OK, but how do you apply that to some of the problem threads and comments we have had here? |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:05 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. It would take some discernment, but it is not all that difficult |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
22. For bigotry here on DU against gays, there is a sort of baseline, and that is, |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 11:26 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. I accept that nothing less than full equality for all groups is the baseline. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 06:44 AM Response to Reply #30 |
36. I think Starry states something important below, that context must be considered |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
23. This is probably more a conversation about privilege |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 11:38 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. That is the essential question that I think we should wrestle with |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 12:00 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Skinner has stated that he expects that DU3 might take care of some of this. |
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txwhitedove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:02 AM Response to Original message |
38. DU posts that begin with pseudo newsflash "TEXAS: ..." is a call for bigotry. |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:19 AM Response to Original message |
39. you left off the most bigoted saying on DU "your pet issue". |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 01:35 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Being dismissive is different than being bigoted /nt |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 03:10 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. re-read. It's not just dismissive, it divides, says to someone too bad for your |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Which human rights do you mean? |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 03:40 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. No, that's usually not true. |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 05:32 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. I think you are conflating things |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 06:10 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. the argument is over bigoted policies and agenda's. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
42. When I objected to a person's bigoted statement about a certain republican |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. That crap about making every hated person gay |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:26 AM Response to Reply #50 |
58. Deleted message |
jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:37 AM Response to Original message |
56. "what we believe constitutes bigotry and thus draw a line in the sand" |
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