Are people who proposition or coerce the obviously drunk into having sex, assholes?

[devilgrrl]

Just thought I'd ask.

[dionysus]

1. what is the propositioner is also wasted?

[pacalo]

2. Whaaaa...?

[damntexdem]

3. Not assholes, rapists.

Unless they're equally smashed, in which case they may be alcoholics.

[petronius]

19. If some commits an act that would be rape while sober, I don't think being drunk is an excuse

By analogy, if someone willfully gets drunk and kills someone with a car, we hold them responsible, right?

[devilgrrl]

4. If the inebriated are responsible for not being taken advantage of shouldn't same rules apply to the

sober?

[MineralMan]

5. Other. Define drunk.

There are many levels of the effects of alcohol. Drunk is sort of an undefined thing. So, if you can post a better definition, I can answer the question.

[taught_me_patience]

6. In the real world, drunk people proposition each other all the time

Drinking fosters it. Who really gives a shit what people do when they are drunk?

[EFerrari]

8. Other people?

:wtf:

[cliffordu]

7. We live in a world of predators. Protect yourself.

[Xithras]

9. Depends on the sobriety of the propositioner.

Sober people who prey on drunks for sex are certainly assholes.

Drunk people who proposition other drunks are merely acting like drunks.

[Morning Dew]

10. Both.

[arcane1]

11. Coercing people into having sex = asshole, drunk or not.

[uppityperson]

12. +1000

[MineralMan]

13. Propositioning and Coercing are sort of different things.

That's another thing that makes this poll impossible to answer. Among a certain set, there wouldn't even be much sex without alcohol being involved. That's why there's a bar scene. Beer glasses aren't gender-specific. At a level far below being drunk, alcohol decreases inhibitions and lets shy persons do what needs to be done. At that level, propositioning can come from either sex. If someone's falling-down drunk or seriously impaired, then sex shouldn't even be considered. That falls into the rape category.

Your poll is too poorly defined to be answered.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

14. what is a sex asshole, and how does it differ from

any other kind?

[Odin2005]

15. They are RAPIST assholes.

[Sherman A1]

16. Really?

Every situation is different and this poll seems to be very much a sweeping generalization.

[TheKentuckian]

17. Other: There are a few miles between proposition and coerce.

That said, those that "hunt" the drunk like prey are assholes but people partying and asking are totally inbounds.

[HopeHoops]

18. Assholes yes, but more to the point - CRIMINALS.

[yawnmaster]

20. How about those who coerce others into sex after a difficult breakup? assholes? discuss. eom

[Marr]

21. They're often drunk themselves, so...

If the person being propositioned can blame their acquiescence on strong drink, I don't see why the same shouldn't apply to the one doing the propositioning. Now, if it's some totally unbalanced thing like, one person is fall-down drunk while the other hasn't touched the stuff, that's different. But I don't think that's the way it tends to play out.