: Why Republicans better hope the name Obamacare doesn't stick:.

[DuaneBidoux]

Imagine a poll that says that 75% of the people want to maintain FDRsecurity.

or a poll that says that 75% of the people want to maintain JohnsonAid.

I'm willing to bet that as the years pass people will increasingly come to appreciate health care reform (even this semi-sucky one).

And if Obamacare sticks as a name Americans will always associate that it was one more Democratic president that brought them good things
that helped their lives.

I for one am going to say "Obamacare" proudly and bet that as time passes the Republicans will start trying to call it something else.

PS: I vote that we start calling social security FDRsecurity and Medicare JohnsonCare, just as a way to remind people that the things
in life they appreciate most were brought by Democrats, not Republicans.

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[TheKentuckian]

1. Why would the brain child of the Heritage Foundation, Dole, Gingrich, and Romney

be generational popular?

You do realize the vast majority of Americans are going to be forced by law to purchase a for profit product sold on the open market at the absolute whim of their employers, right?

Why would a forced purchase at the company store be anything like Social Security?

Are we going to worship Walmart paying in store credit next?

[DuaneBidoux]

11. That;'s why I said "semi-sucky" in my post

I consider myself progressive and if I had had my way (I'm sure like many on DU) I would have wanted not even a public option but a full blown single payer. Obamacare actually was modeled after the Romneycare and it is forced subscription to private firms there too--but polls now show that the Mass residents are happy with it in spite of its flaws.

There will be many thiings that will offset the one thing that probably both you and I find repugnant and when people start feeling those benefits (my son graduates from hs this year and now I don't have to worry about his situation until he is 25). Back in the early 80s when I went to college I had to pay my own money for simply a major medical at a time when I couldn't afford it.

That is something that will quickly be noted by the middle class. Another thing that will make it very hard on Republicans is the repeal of the ability to discriminate for pre-existing conditions. This will take a bit of time to be noticed because it is being phased in for adults. But for parents of children now it takes affect now.

I really do agree on your assessment. And indeed, this is going to push a bunch of middle class wealth up to the top (asi f we needed one more program like that).

All I am saying is that there will be enough here that people will, in the end, prefer it to what the Republicans want (thet is to say jungle medecine).

[TheKentuckian]

13. I dig ya. I wish people would stop allowing whatever insanity the TeaPubliKlans

set the pace and Democrats to get away with not as fucked up as those shit throwing, rabid monkeys.

The shit throwing monkeys are not an option and their smeared feces of no consequence.

Inclusion has jumped the shark at this point. The TeaPubliKlans should be regarded as mad, suffering from dementia, or developmentally challenged animals, at best.

[DuaneBidoux]

14. I hope you are applying some of that writing and imagery talent to fiction. Awesome.

[The Backlash Cometh]

2. That would be sweet justice.

[global1]

3. I Had The Same Thought The Other Day.......

I was in Dallas and listening to RW Neocon 24/7 Obama bashing radio. They were all over "Obamacare" and damning it like I've never heard before. Then the thought came to me that they might live to regret that they coined it "Obamacare" because if it turns out that it becomes highly regarded - guess who will get the credit.

I think that this HCR will be improved on over the years - but people will always remember where/who it came from.

[randr]

4. If the Democrats had the same political sensibility as the Republicans

they would have already touted "Obamacare" as the best medical safety net the nation will ever see.
Just as, I am sure, Trump was told by his handlers that one of his biggest negatives is that people see him as an embarrassment, he throws it back out as "America is an embarrassment to the world". Republicans have always had the knack to paste their own negativity on the opposition, it is time for Dems to fire back.

[3waygeek]

5. Lots of Republicans support and need JohnsonAid...

remember those commercials Bob Dole did for Viagra?

[walldude]

6. JohnsonAid...

I believe the Republicans call that Viagra.

[Greybnk48]

7. I use "Obamacare" all the time. It's a winner and we

ought to embrace it.

[guruoo]

9. Agreed, "Obamacare" has already proven to be an exception to Lakoff's rule...

where he advises to 'avoid use of your political opposition's framing terminology'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lakoff

[Greybnk48]

10. Love Lakoff. I've only read one of his books

"Don't think of an Elephant" which was excellent. But I was thinking of what we did with "Yankee Doodle" which was originally meant as a taunt by the Brits.

[notesdev]

8. If it's not yet repealed by then

it'll be real popular in year seven, after its 10-year budget has run out.

[DuaneBidoux]

12. It positively impacts the debt and deficits.

Of course what most people don't realize is why. There is now money coming in from many various sources for the healthy people 20-50 when the chances of getting sick are much lower.

Although I wouldn't call these people free riders most in that age range know they will probably stay healthy (at least that's the probability) then as they get into their 50s that is when the shit starts hitting the fan healthwise for most people. And so then they get insurance. That is a bit like realizing that you have 1% chance of getting into a car accident from Jan. to Nov. and a 90% chance of getting into a car accident in Dec. So, you go without insurance until the end of November and then buy it. You have gamed the system.

That is why it cannot be optional (either that or we have to be willing to build real death chambers next to the hospital where we send the guy critically injured in an accident to bleed to death if he doesn't have insurance). (that is also the reason why the idiot Republicans were so stupid in making a ruckus over not wanting to cover the illegal immigrants. They still will go to emergency room, they still will get treated, and most still won't be able to pay their bill).

I would have loved a single payer. Toward the end I was ready to settle for a public option. But, in spite of all the faults of the system (the biggest being that our for profit medical system is the most inefficient in the world) the structure will for the first time cover everyone and everyone will pay a part (except those on the really poor end of it).