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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 09:58 AM Original message |
Can someone explain how posing half-naked for a magazine "liberates" a woman? |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
1. "My body, my choice." |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:02 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Ok, but was she being coerced into keeping her clothes on? |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:04 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Yes, she was being coerced from birth to be "modest" |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:14 AM Response to Reply #7 |
15. +1 |
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BoWanZi (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:35 AM Response to Reply #5 |
22. Yes, coerced by birth probably due to religious reasons |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
44. +1. Seems simple enough. nt |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
2. If you were raised to believe that your body was shameful and had to be completely covered, to |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:03 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Her family is apparently Western-oriented and moderate, given |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:06 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. "...deliberate message to her conservative Turkish family." |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:17 PM Response to Reply #8 |
53. so go to the other extreme, strip down for a bunch of males to objectify you.... |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:27 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. She got to choose |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:58 PM Response to Reply #59 |
74. not at all. that has nothing ot do with what i said. nt |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 04:53 PM Response to Reply #74 |
94. In her culture women are the private property of their husbands |
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Ninjaneer (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:03 PM Response to Reply #53 |
116. Speaking as a person who |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:06 PM Response to Reply #116 |
117. she can do whatever she wants |
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Ninjaneer (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:28 PM Response to Reply #117 |
121. I understand the purpose of a discussion board. |
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LetTimmySmoke (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:07 AM Response to Reply #117 |
128. She's not feeding a patriarchy. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:07 AM Response to Reply #117 |
133. Many here seem not to understand the purpose of discussion. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:17 AM Response to Reply #133 |
138. such simple words, yet still, they are ignored, lol. nt |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:26 AM Response to Reply #138 |
141. I think some here really WANT to see a conservative boogeyman - |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:27 AM Response to Reply #141 |
142. i laughed |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:12 PM Response to Reply #53 |
165. Yeah, how *dare* she not share your militant opinions! |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 03:17 PM Response to Reply #165 |
172. I'll share your opinions on upbringing and |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
3. Liberation is the ability to do what you want. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:14 AM Response to Reply #3 |
16. Her fake boobs at that. |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:26 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. meow hiss nt |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:33 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. And how are you so sure about that? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 01:38 PM Response to Reply #21 |
41. Let's go contribute to her liberation by ogling the photos and speculating about that question. n/t |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:03 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. Exactly. Treating women as sex objects is 'respectful' in just a handful of scenarios, IMO. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:28 PM Response to Reply #46 |
60. So to prevent her from being treated as an object |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Nonresponsive to my post. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:35 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. You equate nudity with objectification |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #60 |
75. no one is forcing anyone to do anything watson. because the hypocrisy is called out and discussed |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 03:02 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. I'm thinking that many here who assert that we are 'forcing' her to wear a burqa (or |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 06:01 PM Response to Reply #77 |
102. ya |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 09:45 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. There was a time it'd bother me; now, it doesn't - as much. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 03:07 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. From the article, the Turkish actress who posed, says she did it so other girls can break free |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 03:10 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. so she strips to feed that very patriarchy that uses sexual objectification of women |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 03:18 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. She's taking the ultimate western icon of female porn |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 03:27 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. it is like when iranian pres says, cleavage cause earthquakes |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 04:51 PM Response to Reply #83 |
92. What if she stripped naked in a closet |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:11 PM Response to Reply #83 |
110. If you think one extreme is the same as the other, you have my sympathy. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:42 PM Response to Reply #110 |
112. it is about repression and control, not about burqas and nipples. nt |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:49 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. Sorry. |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #80 |
167. But don't you see? This girl can't decide for herself what's liberating for her. She needs feminists |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 04:47 PM Response to Reply #75 |
90. Stating without any doubt that |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #75 |
166. "Those that insist others shut up & not discuss cause they dont agree with you & others." |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 05:11 PM Response to Reply #46 |
98. So not only is she not capable of making the decision, she's not capable of having an opinion? |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:11 PM Response to Reply #98 |
111. Yep. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:46 AM Response to Reply #46 |
148. So: she's obviousy too stupid to have made her own decision in the matter? |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:55 AM Response to Reply #148 |
150. Yet, if she decided she wanted to wear a burka, you'd be telling us she'd been brainwashed. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 10:05 AM Response to Reply #150 |
152. If wearing a burka meant the difference between life and death?? |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 10:07 AM Response to Reply #152 |
153. Now you employ the term Patriarchy. I guess it's only patriarchal oppression when you say so, |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 10:10 AM Response to Reply #153 |
154. Where do you get that? When did I refuse to employ the term? |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 10:19 AM Response to Reply #154 |
156. Post 114. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #156 |
157. ....Annnnnnnnddddddd |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #148 |
168. Luckily, we have militant anti-sex feminists to guide her! |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #168 |
169. Yep. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:45 PM Response to Reply #41 |
113. The prior poster was seemed so sure about it, so it seemed fair to ask why |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 11:53 AM Response to Reply #113 |
160. I have a little difficulty with the concept of blaming those who view the pictures... |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:43 AM Response to Reply #21 |
125. It should be obvious |
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burrfoot (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #21 |
163. Have you seen the picture? n/t |
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Maine-ah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 09:56 PM Response to Reply #16 |
105. you can tell they're fake... |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:00 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. LOL..... |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:49 AM Response to Reply #105 |
149. Oh damn |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
4. Well, it does liberate her from her 'foundation garments.' |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
9. People tell us our bodies and our sexuality are bad. |
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JustAnotherGen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
10. You know what? |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. LOL, I think you nailed it. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
11. The restrictive Islamic dress code and other rules it imposes on women... |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
13. A feeling of being liberated is a subjective thing, not something that can be objectively measured. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:02 PM Response to Reply #13 |
45. +1. nt |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 05:10 PM Response to Reply #13 |
97. Well said...nt |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
14. Because she is choosing instead of submitting to her family's religion. |
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Cal33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
17. Sure, if she were to make enough money from this, it could liberate her from |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
19. If she says it felt liberating, then thats all the explanation you need. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:51 AM Response to Reply #19 |
25. If she told me doing somersaults made her angry, I might still seek explanation. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 01:36 PM Response to Reply #25 |
40. Your tone came across as being critical towards her. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 01:52 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Perhaps. Yesterday, though, there was a thread about allowing children to dress 'inappropriately' |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. No! The thread yesterday was about children, this Turkish actress is a woman |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:12 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. "Nudity is and can be dignified." Especially when I do it in the Library. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. Um, these aren't "childhood restrictions". WTF are you talking about? |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:13 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. They are. Did you even read the article??? |
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thereismore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:52 AM Response to Reply #19 |
26. Exactly! nt |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:23 AM Response to Reply #19 |
36. +1 |
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Ninjaneer (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
119. Nail, meet hammer. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
20. Because it is her choice |
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RedCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
23. Oh why can't they just expose the left half or the right half? |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
24. I respect that she's chosen to do this |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:55 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. There was a video I rented, with a short docu. on an English Muslim female porn star - |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:57 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. +1 |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:03 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. That is really an excellent point! I was an art student in college (initially) |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:13 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. There's the rub, of course: The difference is all in our eyes. And in that regards, we.... |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #32 |
37. And yet, it's her own name that is known. The model for the VdM is unknown |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #32 |
61. What's the difference? |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. That question is a subject of study without a clear answer whatsoever. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:37 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. The definition of art is simple |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. I disagree with you. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:50 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Uh "Piss Christ" actually IS a pile of crap, and actually IS art. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 04:46 PM Response to Reply #70 |
89. So there is no objective standard for art |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:20 AM Response to Reply #61 |
140. That's a very interesting question. I like it. |
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Wounded Bear (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
28. The irony is, of course...... |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:17 AM Response to Reply #28 |
35. +1 |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #28 |
47. Why doesn't that work the same way for men? |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:32 PM Response to Reply #47 |
63. Because generally if a woman wanted to see male genitals |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:35 PM Response to Reply #63 |
122. True. |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
30. Rebelling Against a Culture That Requires Her Whole Body to be Covered |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
31. She may find she has traded one restriction for another. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
33. Liberation is in the mind of the person who wants to feel |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
38. No |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
39. In this country I can't |
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Modern_Matthew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
48. Sometimes I have to make sure I'm not at conservativeunderground. nt |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:08 PM Response to Reply #48 |
108. I don't doubt that for a moment. nt |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:12 AM Response to Reply #48 |
136. Because those who want their daughters to grow up to be rocket scientists and prime ministers, |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
52. I took an advanced post-grad class on the subject (Madonna among the examples) |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:19 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. You don't get it because you are a conservative/disrespect women's choices/yadda yadda. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:55 PM Response to Reply #54 |
73. There's been plenty of reasonable discussion on this thread. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:32 PM Response to Reply #52 |
62. Boy you could have come down to my local women's shelter and had this convo for free |
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Keith Bee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #52 |
71. I'm with you |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
55. I thoroughly approve her take-that against the fundies. Fuck them all. |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
56. Having and making choices is liberating |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:22 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. That makes sense, yes. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
58. Well from a muslim background it means she is rejected notions forced on her |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
68. I have an idea.. How about we don't talk about |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 03:03 PM Response to Reply #68 |
78. yet in france they hide apollo. nt |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:09 AM Response to Reply #78 |
135. Not any more, putting his explicit self back up. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:19 AM Response to Reply #135 |
139. yes... i know. wehre i got info. in the oh so sexually sophisticated france |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:34 AM Response to Reply #139 |
144. I don't pretend any such thing. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:41 AM Response to Reply #139 |
145. Awww, my friend there are so many famous nudes of men in Europe.... |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
69. It would be the same for you if you were forced to live like your parents |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
76. You don't have to understand why things make people feel any specific way. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 03:05 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. I don't have to understand why tides ebb and flow, or why people fall in love. |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 03:29 PM Response to Reply #79 |
86. Threatens me? What on earth gave you such a ridiculous idea? |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 03:39 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Your suggestion that a lack of need-to-know renders discussion rude and/or pointless. |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
81. choice is choice.... |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 03:43 PM Response to Reply #81 |
88. But that is a tautology, and doesn't shed light on her reasoning. As |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
82. If she feels liberated, then she is - it is her feeling, not ours. nt |
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RagAss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
91. Fuckk SS and Medicare ! This is an issue we really need to be addressing. |
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InvisibleTouch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
93. Germany is a lot less uptight about that kind of thing. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
95. I sort of understand it. When I first wore a |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #95 |
100. There we go. I can totally cheer you on there. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
96. It liberates her because she feels that it liberates her. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #96 |
101. Tautologies are, by definition, irrational. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:47 PM Response to Reply #101 |
123. Not in this case, when you're dealing with a subjective phenomena. Liberation is subjective. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:00 AM Response to Reply #123 |
130. Liberation is not subjective. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 07:40 PM Response to Reply #130 |
170. There's nothing so liberating as letting others define liberation for you, huh? |
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TNLib (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
99. Because she wanted to and didn't let her fundie family values stop her |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
104. Spend 10 years in a Burka and then come ask again |
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themadstork (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
107. Nudity in general is liberating. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:16 AM Response to Reply #107 |
137. Probably, lol. |
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Guy Whitey Corngood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:09 PM Response to Original message |
109. You're right. Half naked wouldn't make a lot of sense to me. But fully naked, that's a whole |
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pinkkillersheep (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
115. Read an article about a parapalegic female athlete who posed nude for a sports magazine |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:07 PM Response to Reply #115 |
118. because she could not have gotten that across to you with all her accomplishments, only in getting |
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pinkkillersheep (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:56 AM Response to Reply #118 |
151. I more meant how I view the physically disabled sexually |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:18 PM Response to Original message |
120. Haven't read this but how about females going bare-breasted on beaches? |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:03 AM Response to Reply #120 |
131. That makes sense to me. Some women will march bare-breasted in the Gay Pride Parade. |
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okieinpain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:13 AM Response to Original message |
124. there are nude works of art and there is exploitation. that's |
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LetTimmySmoke (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:04 AM Response to Original message |
126. It's not the posing that's liberating. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:06 AM Response to Original message |
127. Americans are way too hung up about nudity. |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:50 AM Response to Original message |
129. voluntarily shedding of one's clothes is classic symbolic liberation |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:06 AM Response to Reply #129 |
132. The commercial taint to the act is an important part of the context to the question. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:33 AM Response to Reply #132 |
143. Except this woman possibly stands to lose as much money as she gains |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:44 AM Response to Reply #143 |
147. Her awareness of the risks of the loss of career choices and, possibly |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
134. Independence from social mores. |
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JustABozoOnThisBus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
146. Money is liberating |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
155. If the restriction is that you can't do something... |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
158. eh...Miss Turkey from the Hardee's commercial looks about 10x better... |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:37 PM Response to Reply #158 |
161. Shame on you!!!! |
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cottonseed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
159. The odd thing is. I've never seen a fat chick "liberate herself" in such a way. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:44 PM Response to Reply #159 |
162. Plenty of BBW nudity out there. |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
164. Because she's the one making the decision. End of discussion. |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
171. It's never been done before! |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
173. many western parents would be upset with their daughters doing this also |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
174. If it has to be explained to you.. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
175. So here's a shocker: A man writes that he approves of her posing, |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #175 |
176. She wants to be objectified, and she's an attractive object. |
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