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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:00 PM Original message |
"No Refusal" DUI checkpoints - judge on hand at sites to issue mandatory blood test warrants |
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Billy Burnett (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
1. Not activist judges! Repeat. NOT activist judges. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
2. It will make it harder for some to charge that the checkpoints are racist |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
3. They need to have a lawyer there on site too, to immediately appeal the warrant... |
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RT Atlanta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. great point |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. That's not how a normal search warrant works. Prosecutors get warrants without telling the subject |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. Warrants are not appealable. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #11 |
42. Sometimes they can be quashed |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 07:38 PM Response to Reply #42 |
58. That tends to |
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DearAbby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
5. Refuse and be in violation of "Contempt of Roadside Court" n/t |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:28 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. I bet they take credit cards on site. |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
8. Oh wonderful - I hate DUI checkpoints |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
9. Here's the law in NC, according to the NCDOT Driver's Handbook |
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ChoppinBroccoli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:41 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Implied Consent Is The Law In MOST States |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:49 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Then don't get a license. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #12 |
25. I think you're confused about what "Double Jeopardy" means |
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ChoppinBroccoli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #25 |
45. No, I'm Not Confused At All |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 05:03 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. "When the State IMMEDIATELY suspends your license for refusing a BAC test, that is a punishment." |
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ChoppinBroccoli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:57 PM Response to Reply #49 |
63. Your Knowledge Of Constitutional Law Is What Is "Laughably False" |
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DaveinJapan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 09:33 PM Response to Reply #45 |
60. One could argue that losing the license is not a punishment. |
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ChoppinBroccoli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 11:01 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. It Depends On Why You're Losing It |
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ChoppinBroccoli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
10. Regarding Getting A Warrant For Your Blood |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:43 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Agreed. It's a ridiculous overreaching. |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. DUI defense and case law has been going on since there |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:04 PM Response to Reply #10 |
23. But the same can be said about probable cause to arrest anyone at a normal DUI checkpoint. |
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ChoppinBroccoli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #23 |
47. That's Because, Like The Prior Poster Said, Most Drivers Are Stupid |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Perhaps. Though someone very drunk probably would do something obvious enough to create probable |
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ChoppinBroccoli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 11:04 PM Response to Reply #50 |
65. That's The Paradoxical Part Of It |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
14. Michigan Dept. of State Police v. Stitz (1990) was a bad ruling. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
15. Vampires. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #15 |
28. Actually, it's mandatory breath tests. You only get a blood test if you refuse a breath test. n/t |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
16. I will not consent to a roadside sobriety test |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:51 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. i will just demand a Blood Test.. i have Vertigo and a bad back.. i am also an Aspi, couldn't do the |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:01 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I wonder how many Mercedes and BMWs they'll pull over. nt |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #22 |
41. Somehave claimed they are racist...espcially when they impound vehciles of those without licenses. |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
18. Alcoholic once told me about Driving Drunk.. "Us Alki's don't take no F'n Vacations"... |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
21. I got into an argument with my mom over drunk driving when I was with her for Christmas. |
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uncommon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
24. Good. There is no excuse for drunk driving. |
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NuclearDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Amen. |
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Newsjock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Bad. There is no excuse for shredding our Constitution. |
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uncommon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. People have a right to drive unhindered? |
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taterguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:15 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. If the government wanted to make sure no one drove drunk it would put Interlocks on all cars |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:24 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. +10000 |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 03:00 PM Response to Reply #31 |
43. Well, if you want to bend over and take it from the government |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #27 |
36. Yep |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #24 |
35. Yes, because we all know driving drunk is tantamount to mass murder |
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uncommon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. AFAIC, it's tantamount to attempted murder. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:35 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. I agree it is unacceptable to drive drunk, but .08 BAC is not drunk |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
29. I don't drink and I would refuse just on principle. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 03:01 PM Response to Reply #29 |
44. You get it. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
30. The Fascist beast eats a little more of our freedoms every day |
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guardian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
32. The fascist state is here |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
34. These checkpoints are unconstitutional |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #34 |
46. Michigan State Police v. Sitz |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 07:26 PM Response to Reply #46 |
56. Yes, a very bad decision |
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AzDar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
38. If they were really serious about no drinkee/drivee , they'd remove parking lots from saloons. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
48. Meh. Soon, hopefully, our cars will be able to drive themselves. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
51. So when they have checkpoints 'just cause' no particular reason |
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madinmaryland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
52. If you have not done anything wrong, then you have nothing to fear... |
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cbc5g (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
53. Maybe I'm too liberal, but checkpoints sound kinda..umm fascist |
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cbc5g (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
54. Those who would give up liberty for security deserve neither |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
55. I guess I'm in the minority but having a judge on site makes me feel better about these checkpoints |
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leeroysphitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
57. If you haven't done anything wrong this shouldn't be and issue. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:28 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. That is un-American. |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
59. Police State inches closer and closer. |
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lib2DaBone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
61. It's deadly on the raods at all times...People on Cell phones are out of control... |
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