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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:10 PM Original message |
Social Security: the little secret that's fooling even most DUers. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
1. $tarting in 2011, 79 million boomer$ turn 65 and exit for-profit in$urance |
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Snoutport (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. VERY interesting point! nt |
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madinmaryland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Not to worry! Rep. Ryan is working on privatizing Medicare so that his |
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mountainlion55 (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:40 PM Response to Reply #12 |
59. off subject |
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madinmaryland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 09:12 PM Response to Reply #59 |
78. Welcome to DU!! |
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INdemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #12 |
191. I thought all legislation had to be passed by both houses and |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
66. i started mine at 62.....medicare next january! |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 03:48 AM Response to Reply #1 |
108. Never really considered that point. |
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RegieRocker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:58 AM Response to Reply #1 |
133. I brought this up long ago. Health insurance reform |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:51 AM Response to Reply #1 |
142. Not all of them will retire. Not all of them will be alive. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 11:36 AM Response to Reply #1 |
172. That's it. |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #1 |
179. NOT ALL of those insurance premiums will be lost. Many of us will buy |
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northoftheborder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #179 |
193. Yes. Seniors still have to have supplemental insurance and pay |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:51 PM Response to Reply #179 |
234. But many of us who had much higher deductibles and co-pays |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #234 |
236. The only problem with that is the 20% copay on open heart surgery |
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goodnews (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:49 AM Response to Reply #1 |
229. Hotdamn! Vitally important info leftsteet, thanks. |
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senseandsensibility (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
2. Great research |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. Thanks. I spent a long time on it. |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:34 AM Response to Reply #11 |
136. Do you read Bruce Webb (Angry Bear Blog?) He says basically the same thing. Rec! |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 06:59 PM Response to Reply #136 |
221. No, but it sounds like I should. |
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plumbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
3. Hey, thanks! I teach economics, and we begin on social programs the |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:20 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Cool! I referenced everything. |
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CaliforniaPeggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
4. I'm happy to K&R! Thank you. |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
6. K&R |
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Snoutport (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
8. kr important stuff! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
9. Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
13. I first saw reporting of this in 1994. Please, please please help it get out of the ghetto. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:35 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. They are doing a good calculation, but using it incorrectly |
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SkyDaddy7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 05:50 AM Response to Reply #16 |
117. All Obama has said is remove the cap... |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 06:39 AM Response to Reply #117 |
120. Obama appointed a commission that could only have been designed to recommend deep cuts |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
14. You are exactly right. |
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benboot (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:35 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. So you don't have a problem with our kids kids paying 80% income tax on minimal earnings? NT |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. I think you have an English comprehension problem |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:40 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Stop being willfully obtuse. |
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benboot (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. So far it appears I am the smarter one. NT |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:19 AM Response to Reply #22 |
145. benboot, so far you have not explained how you would provide for |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 11:33 AM Response to Reply #145 |
171. I'm afraid benboot cannot answer. |
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freshwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #171 |
204. Thank you Mods... A flood of them this week. Must be lonely over in Freeperville. |
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lark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
185. think it makes him look like a freeper |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. What a silly argument, completely pulled out of your ass. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 03:57 AM Response to Reply #15 |
111. Obviously you are a stealth Republican. |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 11:44 AM Response to Reply #111 |
176. The mods seem to agree with you. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:35 PM Response to Reply #176 |
195. I'm glad to hear it......nt |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:15 AM Response to Reply #15 |
144. It's better than our kids having to take care of their mom who has Alzeheimers |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 11:38 AM Response to Reply #15 |
173. Where'd you get that? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
19. "So, unless the US economy is about to get even worse than today and stay that way, |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:52 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Whose lifetimes: anyone that will die in the next 75 years. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:59 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Let's say your projection |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:01 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. The moment we say there's a problem, benefits will be gutted |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:09 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. "The moment we say there's a problem" So |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:19 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. I'm not pushing anything. Reality is reality. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:28 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. Um |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:35 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. "Under the intermediate assumptions" |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:41 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. Um |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:44 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Your quote has zero to do with your assertion. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:45 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Your claim |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:47 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. Then prove it. I posted referenced numbers. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:54 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. Start |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:56 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Deleted message |
ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:00 AM Response to Reply #73 |
98. Wow, you just went back in a circle |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:12 AM Response to Reply #73 |
123. Deleted message |
mntleo2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #51 |
183. They also use millions in SS money to destroy low income families |
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stockholmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:40 AM Response to Reply #36 |
127. +1 |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 03:31 AM Response to Reply #28 |
103. If that happened, the time to raise the cap is in 26 years. Not now. there's already |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 03:21 PM Response to Reply #103 |
202. Raise the cap now |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:20 AM Response to Reply #23 |
146. Manny, don't forget to ask those who criticize Social Security |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 04:43 PM Response to Reply #146 |
207. Rightwingers have always wanted to destroy Social Security (and later medicare) |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:03 PM Response to Reply #19 |
30. This poster is good with the cap being removed. But. |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:09 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Right. The relatively small savings from means testing... |
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lark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #37 |
187. Agree |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:18 PM Response to Reply #30 |
42. Wrong. |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 09:11 PM Response to Reply #42 |
77. Payouts should match payin. The inequity is the very reason why |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:24 AM Response to Reply #77 |
147. I do not like your idea at all. |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 05:33 PM Response to Reply #147 |
213. Miss. I have respect for your posts, but respectfully disagree. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:01 AM Response to Reply #19 |
99. Scrap the cap! |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 03:38 AM Response to Reply #19 |
104. High income WORKERS are not "protected". They pay SS up to the limit. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:26 AM Response to Reply #104 |
148. High income workers only pay Social Security tax on maybe the |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:31 AM Response to Reply #104 |
149. Nonetheless, the CEO whose direct compensation is a 2.4 million |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #149 |
178. Social Security was set up to tax 90% of *total* covered wages. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:18 PM Response to Reply #178 |
184. Thanks for the link - |
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Locrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
20. strategy |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:56 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Absolutely correct. |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:08 PM Response to Reply #20 |
34. Republicans have no intention of killing SS or Medicare. |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 05:19 PM Response to Reply #20 |
212. + 1,000 |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
24. This is a good assumption |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:59 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. So you're saying that growth is about to plummet? |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 09:03 PM Response to Reply #27 |
76. It's happening. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:17 PM Response to Reply #76 |
92. Thank you for a well-researched post |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 03:46 AM Response to Reply #76 |
106. "If we raise taxes...we lower the nominal and real growth rate" = bullshit. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:22 AM Response to Reply #76 |
124. We need to end War! War! War! and hike taxes on the well off |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:32 AM Response to Reply #76 |
151. Again, how are elderly people supposed to live without Social Security? |
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stockholmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:12 AM Response to Reply #27 |
143. the actual real GDP growth of the US is negative, when 'cooked-books' banking/financial chicanery is |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:31 AM Response to Reply #24 |
150. Yo_Mama, so what is your proposal for an alternative to Social |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
26. The problem that I have. |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
31. Your figures are way off. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:08 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. First off, credible economists do agree - read my paper for details |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:19 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. The CBO says a deficit this year. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Read it carefully: that's excluding interest |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
50. I read your paper and saw only 2 economists quoted. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:28 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. I thought it was pretty clear. |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:39 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. Well regardless with what anyone said I disagree with your prediction |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 03:47 AM Response to Reply #58 |
107. if "most economists" agree, why can't you cite them? |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:36 AM Response to Reply #107 |
138. Here's one for starters, also read up on Dean Baker |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 11:23 AM Response to Reply #107 |
169. I'll just go with the U.S. Commence Dept Bureau of Economic Analysis. |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:32 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Delete - Wrong place |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:13 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Completely off. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:16 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Uh... what are you claiming? |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:18 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. The Congressional Budget Office disagrees with you. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:22 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. And again, they don't disagree at all. Read my response upthread. |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:16 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. Right. |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:20 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. I like the foreign soil option. |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 09:12 PM Response to Reply #47 |
79. Good for you. I don't. nt. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:38 AM Response to Reply #31 |
153. So, former9thward, how do you propose to house and feed those |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 11:14 AM Response to Reply #153 |
168. When I took rhetoric in college one of the first things taught was that any sentence |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #168 |
175. At least you admit that there really is no alternative to Social Security. |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
32. Under current law disability won't be paid starting 2018 |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:09 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. My numbers cover OASI and DI as a single entity |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:07 PM Response to Reply #35 |
84. Well let's check your numbers against historical performance |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:17 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. The 1995 projection claimed The Trust Fund would be bankrupt in 2029. |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:00 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. It HAS happened. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:06 AM Response to Reply #88 |
122. 2001-2010 was bracketed by a bad recession and a depression. |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:11 AM Response to Reply #122 |
134. Look at the 70-80 time frame |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:44 AM Response to Reply #134 |
157. That dip in employment rates included a lot of people in their 50s |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 03:48 AM Response to Reply #32 |
109. bullshit. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:40 AM Response to Reply #32 |
154. So raise the cap. |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
41. The problem is that Boomers will live forever. Well, maybe not. |
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Generic Other (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
46. the bad guys have already won |
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unkachuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
53. K&R....n/t |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:36 PM Response to Original message |
56. 2010 OASDI Trustees Report |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:39 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. "Under the intermediate assumptions" |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:42 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Actually |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:46 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. And again, your quote has zero to do with your assertion. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:46 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. And again, |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:48 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. You tried to prove me wrong, and failed. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:53 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. You're trying |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:57 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. I guess we'll leave it to the good people of DU to read our respective posts |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 09:21 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. Hmmm? |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 09:35 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Obama mentioned Social Security cuts in his SOTU, just as predicted. |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:01 PM Response to Reply #75 |
82. Alas, to some of us, it seems you are arguing with ignored |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:31 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. Well, I'd like everyone besides you to know that |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 04:00 AM Response to Reply #61 |
112. intermediate assumption is gdp at 2.1-2.2% growth from 2018 through 2085. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:43 AM Response to Reply #112 |
128. This is great news. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:57 AM Response to Reply #128 |
132. No boom needed. Only needs to suck not much worse than 2010. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:22 AM Response to Reply #132 |
135. "All other things being equal, I'd gladly take a raise in the cap even though I'd be affected." |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:11 PM Response to Reply #135 |
182. How selective of you. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:22 PM Response to Reply #182 |
192. Selective? |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 02:02 PM Response to Reply #192 |
197. Oh OK, I didn't understand. |
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GreenTea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
62. K |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
69. Thank you for doing this. |
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democracy1st (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:18 PM Response to Reply #69 |
93. yep just Manny being Manny! I appreciate good work and research also. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #93 |
206. Aw shucks. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
71. knr nt |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:01 PM Response to Original message |
83. +100. K&R |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
87. Please respond to |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:15 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. Which part of response #1 of that poll are you having trouble reading? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:33 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. Oh sorry |
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democracy1st (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:09 PM Response to Original message |
89. K & R |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:12 PM Response to Original message |
90. K/R -- |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:46 PM Response to Original message |
95. most excellent work! thank you so much for sharing with us. |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:04 AM Response to Original message |
96. Thanks and kick |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:54 AM Response to Original message |
97. Excellent work. |
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HankyDubs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:05 AM Response to Original message |
100. the truth eh...a novel concept |
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Sherman A1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 02:50 AM Response to Original message |
101. Good Research! |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 03:19 AM Response to Original message |
102. KNR! n/t |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 03:39 AM Response to Original message |
105. K&R! |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 03:55 AM Response to Original message |
110. Why do you assume that future growth will match past growth (or even be particularly close)? |
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paulkienitz (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 04:55 AM Response to Original message |
113. after Peak Oil, 2.1% growth might be wildly optimistic |
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sofa king (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 11:57 AM Response to Reply #113 |
180. I concur. |
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Turbineguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 05:00 AM Response to Original message |
114. It's about letting Wall Street steal the fund. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 05:02 AM Response to Reply #114 |
115. it's what finance capital wants to do. therefore it's what politicians generally want to do. |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 05:48 AM Response to Original message |
116. All they have to do is pay back what they stole from it |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 06:29 AM Response to Original message |
118. That's true, but misleading. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:28 AM Response to Reply #118 |
125. So *this* time it's really real? |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:45 AM Response to Reply #125 |
140. So this is pure, unsupported speculation on your part? |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:47 PM Response to Reply #125 |
189. The 1999 summary seems pretty accurate |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 06:36 AM Response to Original message |
119. K&R |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 06:56 AM Response to Original message |
121. Thanks for digging through the numbers and explaining this. |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:35 AM Response to Original message |
126. K&R and Many Thanks ! |
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Buenaventura (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:45 AM Response to Original message |
129. as a 65-YO SS recipient |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:49 AM Response to Original message |
130. I support lower growth rates |
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florida08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:54 AM Response to Original message |
131. Manny you are the man |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:35 AM Response to Original message |
137. Economy may well get worse |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:45 AM Response to Reply #137 |
139. America (and the world) needs LESS economic growth |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
141. False setup of the problem, IMO |
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Hotler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
152. Kicking. Thank you sir. May I print this and pass it to my neighbors? n/t |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:08 PM Response to Reply #152 |
222. I'd be grateful if you did! |
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Bryn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
155. K&R |
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FlyByNight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
156. Yet another K & R |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
158. Yeah, well |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
159. Excellent post - |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
160. Privatizing everything. The neocon goal. |
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Chisox08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
161. I'm getting the feeling that they are planning to sink the American Economy |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
162. It's My Impression That Acutaries are Conservative by Nature |
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thomhartmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
163. Forwarded to Senator Sanders |
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senseandsensibility (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 11:24 AM Response to Reply #163 |
170. Thanks for doing that, Thom! |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 03:57 PM Response to Reply #163 |
205. Wow! Thanks. |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 05:14 PM Response to Reply #163 |
210. Thank you, Thom. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 06:18 PM Response to Reply #163 |
219. Thom, I think you are right about pigeons |
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mckara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
164. Free Market Capitalism Brought Lower Growth Rates |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
165. This cannot be stressed enough. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
166. So WE (and I use that we cautiously) KNOW SS will be depleted in 26 years? |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
167. K&R |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
174. This thread just mentioned on Hartmann. |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #174 |
177. He was posting in this thread. |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #174 |
198. Transcript? |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
181. Rec and kick. nt |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
186. Thank you so much for your awesome work. nt |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
188. K&R |
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toddwv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
190. The economy will not grow at a significant rate until the wealth disparity decreases. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
194. I would also be willing to wage that in 26 years, if not sooner, demographics will change |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 10:38 AM Response to Reply #194 |
231. You are very mistaken |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 11:00 AM Response to Reply #231 |
232. Your own graph supports my contention, why do you believe those |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:41 PM Response to Reply #232 |
233. Those lines aren't smaller from deaths |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
196. Thank you so very much. n/t |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
199. The big lie by all this propaganda is that the trillions belonging to the people of this country |
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wiggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
200. People also forget that some shortfall is due to the fact that most of the income growth |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
201. K&R and Thanks for the info! n/t |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
203. Thank you... Wisconsin Public Radio had an economist on a few |
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ck4829 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
208. K&R |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
209. K & R - I saved your research paper. |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
211. HUGE K & R !!! |
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DollyM (837 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
214. I am going to try and get mine early . . . |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
215. Thom Hartmann approves. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 06:12 PM Response to Reply #215 |
217. I heard that too |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
216. So, if you want to rob SS, you have to plunge the US into recession first. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
218. Thank You Manny, a Dynamite Thread |
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Corruption Winz (581 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
220. K/R. Very good post. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
223. k&r for visibility |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 07:59 AM Response to Original message |
224. Thanks for the information. |
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ReggieVeggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
225. kick |
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pscot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:21 AM Response to Original message |
226. K&R |
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mascarax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
227. Congrats on making Thom Hartmann! K&R |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
228. Think we should raise the cap, nonetheless -- to shift the burden from poor and middle class -- |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
230. kick! |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
235. Congrats on getting your OP talked about on front page of Alan Colmes' website |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
237. rec! End FICA cap and end Bush tax cuts |
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