Obama heckled at fundraiser by Bradley Manning supporters

[babsbunny]

Obama heckled at fundraiser by Bradley Manning supporters

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/04/21/obama-heckled-at-fundraiser-by-bradley-manning-supporters/

By Sahil Kapur
Thursday, April 21st, 2011 -- 4:27 pm

WASHINGTON – Ten supporters of accused whistleblower Pfc. Bradley Manning paid at least $5,000 to attend a fundraiser with President Barack Obama Thursday and interrupted his speech with a song protesting soldier's treatment.

Obama was speaking at a San Francisco hotel to a room of about 200 donors -- some of whom paid as much as $35,800 to attend the event -- "when a woman in a white suit stood up and said, Mr. President we wrote you a song," according to a White House pool report.

The president tried to convince her to wait, but she and her table ignored him, all ten of them breaking out into a song that protested Manning's detention in a "6x12 cell" for "23 hours a day." They sang, "We paid our dues, where's our change?"

[MadHound]

1. Good for them,

Obama needs this sort of thing on a daily basis until he starts to listen to the left, until he starts to do the right thing.

[lob1]

2. I agree with you.

[Scuba]

13. Yep, every day!

[ReggieVeggie]

37. +mil

[Egnever]

68. What is the apropriate living arangements for someone acused of treason?

Just curious.

[yodermon]

81. Dunno; how was Aldrich Ames treated before his trial?

He was eligible for the death penalty too.
:shrug:

[Egnever]

91. Seems like he was treated the same

I found this.

Convicted spy Aldrich Ames has spent the last year in solitary confinement. The trouble is, he doesn't like it there.

Though he spends 23 hours a day confined to a small cell, Aldrich Ames is still causing the CIA problems.

Sitting in a prison interview room, the agency's most damaging spy explains in a calm voice that he is doing battle with his former employer over his placement in what he calls "solitary" confinement and what the prison defines as "administrative detention."

Seems to be standard procedure for traitors.

[yodermon]

94. "convicted" spy

i meant pre-trial treatment of Ames.
innocent until proven guilty and all that shit.

[Robb]

95. Sgt. Clayton Lonetree is a better parallel.

Although he was actually in 23-hour solitary at Quantico for 7 months until his court martial started.

[Ramulux]

3. Awesome

[Tx4obama]

4. Very disrespectful and rude, they should have waited until he ended his speech. n/t

[EFerrari]

Not as disrespectful and rude as prisoner abuse.

They still have the high ground.

[emilyg]

32. Yes!

[Renew Deal]

85. Speaking of prisoner abuse. I wonder if he's being treated better than he treated his step-mom

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/30/bradley-manning-911-call_n_842424.html

[Dappleganger]

7. LOL

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[Cali_Democrat]

9. The treatment of Bradley Manning is disrepectful and rude.

Actually, it's torture.

[Scuba]

16. I disagree. Interrupting was key to getting their point across.

[Obamanaut]

18. Waiting would have negated the effect. People who disagree with

policies have made those disagreements known to presidents, probably as long as there have been presidents.

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[SusanaMontana41]

54. By all means, let's be polite about torture. n/t

[Forkboy]

73. ...

:freak:

[inna]

76. fucking Awesome. I wish I was there.

[mountainlion55]

80. Not as rude as us killing nine children in a drone raid

:mad:

[EFerrari]

5. In all, they paid $76K.

They didn't heckle Obama.

Greg Mitchell has it all on his blog.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/160080/wikileaks-news-views-blog-thursday-day-145

[xchrom]

11. +1

[Solly Mack]

88. Thanks!

[RandomKoolzip]

6. I dunno. I don't think this is the way to make someone listen to you.

If someone from the right did this to Obama, I'd think it was awful and rude. Remember - this is how "Joe the Plumber" got famous. Just cuz the perp is politically right on doesn't mean shit.

On edit: just for the record, I agree with the Manning protesters - but I also think, politically, there are much bigger fish to fry, much more urgent issues to address, too.

[Tx4obama]

10. Rep. Joe 'you lie' Wilson (R-SC) n/t

[EFerrari]

12. You're comparing people protesting the abuse of an American serviceman

to a Republican yelling out political talking points?

Oh my.

[RandomKoolzip]

14. The ideologies and political stances are far different, but the methods are similar.

[EFerrari]

17. You are confusing social justice with politics.

And Obama was not heckled. They sang an art house song. And he thanked them.

[Tx4obama]

20. He asked them to wait. They refused the president's request. They were rude and disrespectful. n/t

[EFerrari]

24. It's not a citizen's job to wait until authority allows public speech. n/t

[Tx4obama]

28. It was a 'private' event. No matter how you cut it it is still rude to interupt a president

when he is in the middle of a speech.

[EFerrari]

40. It was an event for donors, which they were. n/t

[Tx4obama]

45. Yes, a private event for donors. Still it doesn't mean they should act rude and disrespectful. n/t

[EFerrari]

47. I think we've already covered this ground.

:)

[Kurovski]

70. LOL.

:D

[ThomWV]

33. Excellent response.

[JanetLovesObama]

31. Is there proof that Manning was in fact

being abused? I have not seen any myself.

[Tx4obama]

39. I have not either. Even Manning's father has said that there's been no abuse. n/t

[EFerrari]

41. No, he has not. That is untrue. Here is the video:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2011/03/exclusive-bradley-mannings-father-discusses-sons-incarceration-with-frontline.html

[Tx4obama]

44. It says video unavailalbe. I besides I read what his father said in that interview last month

His father said that has met with his son like 7-9 times and his son has NEVER told him about any abuse.
The father said that the only place he heard anything about abuse is in some statement that an attorney released.

Until there is a trial and a judge/jury find President Obama guilty of any crime then Obama is INNOCENT.

[EFerrari]

46. That's fine. Here's the Guardian article that quotes him accurately

not like that ReidReport POS.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/15/bradley-manning-father-pentagon-treatment

[EFerrari]

49. Here is another link for that video. What is this father saying?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d8McFwOg4E

[Tx4obama]

53. I am amazed

that folks defend a criminal that committed crimes against The United States of America,
but have no sense of right and wrong when it comes to people that disrespect The President of the USA.

Amazing!

p.s. I hope everyone has some hankies ready if/when Manning receives the death penalty.

[JonLP24]

55. You were shown what the father said later

after you pointed out what the father said before. Instead of acknowledging, you're just changing the subject.

[Tx4obama]

58. What the father says in the video is exactly what I read last month.

So, what do you mean 'what the father said later'?

There is nothing new in that video.

[JonLP24]

59. Oh

I actually didn't click on her links. I remember reading the story sometime after he said his son was "fine" in GD. I assumed she posted that. I went to find the story but I wish I could remember where that thread was.

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The father of accused whistleblower U.S. Army Private Bradley Manning has spoken out for the first time since Manning was arrested for allegedly leaking classified information to WikiLeaks. Since June, Manning has been held in solitary confinement on a Marine brig in Virginia. In an interview with PBS Frontline, Brian Manning said he was shocked by the conditions under which his son was being held.

Brian Manning: "I mean this is someone that has not gone to trial or been convicted of anything. And that’s prompted me to come out and go forward. They worry about people down in a base in Cuba, but here they are, have someone at a base on our own soil, under their own control, and they’re treating him this way. You just can’t believe. It’s shocking enough that I would come out of our silence as a family and say, ‘Now then, you’ve crossed the line. This is wrong.’”

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/3/15/headlines#8

[EFerrari]

63. There was one blog, The ReidReport, that distorted Brian Manning's

appearance and construed it as some kind of approval of his son's treatment. Every other news outlet reported why he went on the public record: to protest Brad Manning's treatment.

Guess which one was posted in GDP?

[EFerrari]

62. What Brian Manning says, as reported by every major news outlet

bears no resemblance to the crap put out by the ReidReport.

[Tx4obama]

64. I don't know why you keep mentioning the ReidReport, I've never heard of that before.

What I read last month was a transcript of the Frontline interview.

One thing's for sure you are passionate ;)

[EFerrari]

65. I keep mentioning it because apparently, you have miraculously

come to the same conclusion and in the same way that the ReidReport did. Wonders never cease, I guess. :)

[Tx4obama]

66. All you have to do is listen to the video you posted. What I've said is what Manning's father

has said.

1) He said that he READ about the abuse in the attorney's statement.
2) He said in the video that his son has NEVER told him about abuse, and he says that his son looks well and is doing well.

Just listen to what Mr. Manning SAYS in the video.

It is not a 'miracle', it is just the facts.

[EFerrari]

67. He says very clearly he is out in the press

to protest the conditions of his son's imprisonment. You can cherry pick all you like, though. :)

[Tx4obama]

69. I believe it is you that is cherry picking.

His son has NEVER told him of any abuse.
In the interview the only abuse that he refers to is from a statement released by an attorney.
The father does not say even one time that his son has told him of any abuse or torture - none.

Solitary confinement, shackling, and clothing restrictions can be found in all Federal prisons.

Where is the 'evidence' that there was abuse or torture?

If the father has met with his son almost a dozen time and was never told by his son of any abuse or seen any signs of abuse then it seems likely that there wasn't any.

[EFerrari]

83. Brian Manning did not say there has been no abuse.

which was your original statement, remember?

That's wrong. He didn't say that. He went out into the press specifically to protest his son's treatment at Abu Quantico. :)

[EFerrari]

60. I'm amazed that you do not defend due process

which is the law of this land.

[SwampG8r]

71. so you believe presidents should be "respected"?

was that your goal in 2000-2008?
were you all respectful?
how about from1980-1992? all respectful then?
how about from 1968-1976 ? did you respect nixon?
if this was anyone but obama you wouldnt care
you dont care that someone was "rude" to a person who frankly WORKS on our dime
as in he is my damn employee and like every other employee i have ever had i am free to correct him when he is wrong
if he dont like it the door is right over there just where every other employee who felt THEY were MY boss ended up

[Tx4obama]

57. The father says in the first minute that HE READ IT in the statement of the attorney.

And the father says HE IS DOING WELL.

So, what is your point?

Perhaps you should 'listen' to what the father says in the video.

p.s. Solitary confinement, being shackled when moving prisoners from one place to another within a prison, and restricted clothing is not anything different than what is done in any federal prison.

[EFerrari]

61. Go listen again.

"You decided that you wanted to sit down and talk today because you want to complain publicly about the conditions of his imprisonment."

"Yes."

[PufPuf23]

36. Not prosecuting War and Financial criminals is rude and disrespectful..

Thank you donators and singers to POTUS Obama in San Franscico.

Reality check.

[Tx4obama]

15. Any person that interrupts the president when he is talking are 'rude and disrespectful'. n/t

[EFerrari]

19. Any president that condones prisoner abuse puts public respect for the office at risk.

[Tx4obama]

23. That is bullshit. President Obama does not condone prisoner abuse. n/t

[EFerrari]

25. The fact is, the Obama administration is being investigated for torture

and has so far obstructed that investigation by not allowing the UN Special Rapporteur to have an official visit with Manning.

I hope the president begins to understand that his course of action so far with respect to Private Manning is unacceptable and that he alters his course.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

35. sooo Obama is guilty of something he is being investigated for? n/t

[Tx4obama]

42. Apparently some folks think so.

What I don't understand is why everyone is so upset that they are making Manning sleep in a suicide proof sleep suit.
I do not see that as being abuse or torture.
Btw, Manning could get the death penalty due to the charges brought against him and for charges that will be forthcoming.
I guess people want to allow him to NOT sleep in a suicide proof sleep suit so that he can decide when to take his own life instead of letting the judicial system decide when.

Whatever.

Bottom line: Obama is NOT guilty of anything.

[EFerrari]

43. Obama is not the victim in this situation. n/t

[Bodhi BloodWave]

90. All i'm pointing out is that a number of people on DU(including you I think)

have declared Obama guilty of the 'charges' against him, while just as loudly declaring that Manning hasn't been found guilty of the charges against him and as such he is innocent.

Somewhat of a double standard I believe *shrugs*

[EFerrari]

92. This is the thing.

The Pentagon has not denied the isolation, the shackles, the constant interrogation, the sleep deprivation. They have tried to justify it instead. So, you can take the Pentagon's word for it. I am not alleging anything that they themselves haven't confirmed, afaik.

On the other hand, Obama really has declared Bradley Manning guilty without trial:

Obama on Manning: “He Broke the Law.” So Much for that Trial?

http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2011/04/22/obama-on-manning-he-broke-the-law-so-much-for-that-trial/

/clarity

[Obamanaut]

21. I wonder how many thought that when the guy tossed a shoe a Bush. nt

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[Obamanaut]

78. So the answer to my question is.......one? nt

[SwampG8r]

72. nixon agreed with you

get a mirror and take a good long look

[Forkboy]

74. Bush would have loved you.

[JVS]

87. It worked for the teabaggers to help stop meaningful HCR

[Raine]

22. COOL

good for them! :patriot: :applause:

[onethatcares]

26. maybe they should have held their tongues,

because "it wasn't the right time to say anything", or because "others will speak out".

Well, I applaud them because there is never a correct time to shut up when you believe you have a grievance.

Jeez, they paid 5K each, that's alot of money.

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[robinlynne]

29. right on.

[MisterP]

30. we can call them "constitutional fundamentalists": it SOUNDS like a bad thing to be,

but anyone using the term would out themselves as a totally bankrupt bootlicker (which they are)

[The Philosopher]

34. Just employers

speaking to an Employee.

[inna]

77. lol, not even anywhere close - but + for the faith in the system

[FiveGoodMen]

93. Well, now wait a second

We are, in fact, the constitutionally enshrined employers of the president.

The fact that he may be a spy working for the other side doesn't change that.

It just shows that he's not a good employee.

[Tx4obama]

48. Article, lyrics, and video on the link below

Singing DNC Donors Disrupt Obama At Their Own Fundraiser, Relay Anger Over Bradley Manning (VIDEO)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/21/singing-dnc-donors-disrupt-obama-speech_n_852135.html

[EFerrari]

51. Link to Greg Mitchell's blog for people who don't want to go to HufHo.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/160080/wikileaks-news-views-blog-thursday-day-145

He has the video, lyrics and much more there.

[tnlefty]

50. Good.

Hope he gets the message.

[readmoreoften]

52. Good.

[Liberal_in_LA]

56. He's in LA right now. Folks were planning protests sign to hold along the route

He's in west LA right now..messing with our traffic

[mountainlion55]

79. Bait & switch

Oldest con in the books and Obama is a master at it. These rich folk give him their money and then he leaves Cali with two-thirds of our tax money and re-distributes it to all the red welfare states so they can demonize Cali. I geuss these monied donors have nothing better to do with their money:wtf:

[progressoid]

82. They're going to have to pay a lot more than a measly 5K if they want to get heard.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

84. Too bad he didn't have to stand at attention naked while being serenaded.

But, that kind of treatment is reserved for whistleblowers who embarrass bureaucrats.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

86. They are ignoring the fact that Obama has fixed this situation...

...PFC Manning is being transferred to Levinworth, not Quantico, the marine jail, he is currently in.

We are not exactly sure, between the story told by his father and his attorney, whether there has been
abuse going on in Quantico. But this will end it.

- C.D. Proud Members of the Reality Based Community

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