Hilarious freep post: COSTCO selling HALAL meat, beware, you might be eating meat offered to ALLAH!

[cali]

Hi Everyone,

I just received this info from a fellow Tea Party Patriot. This is the absolute truth ... and what a cruel joke on Orthodox Christians ...

We just got our leg of lamb for Easter, and my husband noticed a funny stamp on it with arabic type writing. We investigated and find out that it is the Halal Stamp. Before slaughter the lamb's head is pointed toward Mecca, the butcher says a muslim prayer and "pronounces the name of Allah."

We are returning our lamb to Costco and trying to find one that is NOT HALAL. The butcher at our local Meijer lamb verified its lamb is also has Halal. Jewel and Whole Foods is OK, so we've been told by the butchers.
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5 posted on Friday, April 22, 2011 12:40:55 PM by RaceBannon (Prov 29:2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule,)
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To: RaceBannon
you might be eating meat offered to ALLAH!

It's not so bad if you look at it right.

If I eat some halal meat, I will indeed appropriately offer it to Allah the next morning.

I make an offering to him every morning! Plus a scoop of Rid-Ex every month.

Well, the Rid-Ex is more for the septic system actually...
6 posted on Friday, April 22, 2011 12:41:46 PM by humblegunner (Blogger Overlord)
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To: RaceBannon
Arab News Article: http://archive.arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&article=117793&d=3&m=1&y=2009

“To speed up production time, some halal slaughterhouses have begun using an integrated approach to traditional, Islamically-recognized handslaughtering,” the authors of the book said.

One method mentioned is the mechanical or machine slaughtering approach, which was first initiated by slaughterhouses in Western countries and which has gained momentum as being acceptable in other Muslim countries such as Malaysia, Indonesia, and Singapore.

The method consists of a Muslim pronouncing the name of Allah as he switches on a machine that inserts a cut into an animal’s neck. The problem, however, according to the authors, is that up to 30 percent of the initial incisions made to the animal by the machine does not accurately go all the way through in killing the animal the first time. There is, therefore, a second Muslim butcher standing by to re-cut the neck to conclude the procedure, causing undo suffering to the animal. The book also stated that some non-Muslim companies who are diversifying their product lines to include halal products have got round certain Islamic procedures to gain certification. “Some companies have been found to use a recording of a Muslim pronouncing the name of Allah before the butcher proceeds with slaughter,” it said.
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FROM COSTCO supplier of lamb - Australian Lamb Company:
http://jannah.org/madina/index.php?PHPSESSID=35b85184cfafa46453387c684dab861a&topic=1048.msg5236#msg5236

Hello,
Thank you for your inquiry.

I can confirm that all of the lamb supplied to Costco Wholesale by the Australian Lamb Company, Inc is sourced from halal slaughtered animals. The lambs are handled in a humane manner, are presents towards Mecca as a prayer is recited by a Muslim slaughter man who ensures only a single cut with a very sharp knife is needed. Subsequently, the product is certified halal. The master cartons that Costco receives do have a Muslim Kill legend on them. The individual packages do not carry the mark yet, but they will in
the future.

You can consume these products with confidence. Please let your friends and family know that our lamb products meet the needs of the Muslim community.

Thank you very much for your patronage!

Marybeth Laleman
Australian Lamb Company, Inc

http://jannah.org/madina/index.php?topic=1048.0.


7 posted on Friday, April 22, 2011 12:42:12 PM by RaceBannon (Prov 29:2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule,)
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To: RaceBannon

Thank you for the post....I do not eat lamb but this is good info to know and share....

I am a beef kinda gal !!!!

[Marrah_G]

1. You just can't make up their kind of stupid........

[cali]

2. I have a vivid imagination. I think I could

but I don't have to. Freepwads do stupid to its zenith- or nadir.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

9. that type of stupid is simply not kosher.

[damntexdem]

19. Maybe they're afraid that eating it will give them halaltosis.

;-)

[BIGFOOTSDADDY333]

45. you know what? that was pretty funny....................em

[LiberalAndProud]

3. So how many are swearing off lamb in freeperland?

Just curious.

[snagglepuss]

4. Hahal involves the needless suffering animals. It is a despicable practice that

needs to be banned.

[EOTE]

6. What? I thought it was just the opposite.

I was under the impression that Halal is the Muslim equivalent of Kosher.

[Skidmore]

11. It is.

[snagglepuss]

28. Science says otherwise. Science has proved conclusively animals endure painful

and needless suffering when bleed to death without being stunned first.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19471328?ordinalpos=...


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New Zealand veterinarian scientist Craig Johnson was given an award from the Humane Slaughter Association, for his body of work that demonstrates that animals suffer more without stunning. In one crucial experiment, Johnson et al administered mild anaesthetics to calves so that they could not feel the pain of the incision, but the pain response was still measurable. It remained present in the animals without stunning, but was immediately erased by stunning.


"I think our work is the best evidence yet that it's painful", Johnson told New Scientist. While this may appear to come from the oft-referenced University of the Bleeding Obvious, in fact defenders of Jewish shechita and Muslim dhabiha slaughter cite scientific evidence that the practice is not painful to the animal. In 2003, the Muslim Council of Great Britain claimed that "the brain is instantaneously starved of blood and there is no time to start feeling any pain." Johnson's work says otherwise.

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Professor David Blackmore who pioneered much work in humane slaughter of many species:

Most animal species carry much more blood to the brain via arteries deeper than the external carotid arteries, such as their internal carotid and vertebral arteries, hence they stay conscious for longer (than humans who have their throat cut).




http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2009/oct...

[Skidmore]

44. I was responding to the question of whether it was the same as kosher.

And it is.

[snagglepuss]

30. Not according to science. Science has proved conclusively animals endure painful

and needless suffering.

[kestrel91316]

20. It is. Properly performed kosher or halal slaughter are

as humane as it gets.

[snagglepuss]

24. Kosher is just as inhumane. Science has proved conclusively animals endure

painful and needless suffering when bleed to death without being stunned first.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19471328?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum


Several years ago the Guardian CIF covered this.

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New Zealand veterinarian scientist Craig Johnson was given an award from the Humane Slaughter Association, for his body of work that demonstrates that animals suffer more without stunning. In one crucial experiment, Johnson et al administered mild anaesthetics to calves so that they could not feel the pain of the incision, but the pain response was still measurable. It remained present in the animals without stunning, but was immediately erased by stunning.


"I think our work is the best evidence yet that it's painful", Johnson told New Scientist. While this may appear to come from the oft-referenced University of the Bleeding Obvious, in fact defenders of Jewish shechita and Muslim dhabiha slaughter cite scientific evidence that the practice is not painful to the animal. In 2003, the Muslim Council of Great Britain claimed that "the brain is instantaneously starved of blood and there is no time to start feeling any pain." Johnson's work says otherwise.

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Neither shechita or dhabiha are described in religious texts, the Torah and the Qur'an, respectively: they derive from oral histories and traditional practices. Some Jewish or Muslim butchers do indeed perform the stun before the cut. It's time to recognise that without the stun these practices cannot be justified scientifically. They are acts of avoidable cruelty predicated on anachronistic beliefs. While they may be part of a "way of life", our ethics insist that they need to be modified.


Johnson received his gong from the HSA for work which, according to New Scientist strengthens "the case for adapting the practices to make them more humane". More precisely, I would think that to a reasonable person it suggests that the anachronism of slaughter without stunning has no place in the modern world and should be outlawed. This special indulgence to religious practices should be replaced with the evidence-based approaches to which the rest of us are subject.


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Professor David Blackmore who pioneered much work in humane slaughter of many species:

Most animal species carry much more blood to the brain via arteries deeper than the external carotid arteries, such as their internal carotid and vertebral arteries, hence they stay conscious for longer (than humans who have their throat cut).




http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2009/oct/15/animal-slaughter-religion-research

[EOTE]

29. Thanks, but I'll take meat where every attempt has been made to reduce suffering

compared to the bulk of the meat sold where conditions are so horrid that the animal endures an incredible amount of suffering prior and during its death. I've seen how horrid the deaths of many farm animals can be. I'll take the Halal or Kosher method any day.

[snagglepuss]

36. Suffering INCREASED not reduced when slicing an animals throat without

stunning it. This isn't opinion of vested interests looking to continue inhumane tactics in the name of religion, it is the result of scientific experiment.

[EOTE]

39. Most of the deaths I've seen didn't even involve proper stunning.

I've seen myriad animal deaths where the suffering is incredibly apparent. Every Kosher or Halal killing I've seen involved extremely little apparent suffering on behalf of the animal. And the lack of jerking and such is not due to a severing of the spinal cord as that's not done in either method.

[snagglepuss]

lease cite scientific evidence to support the conjecture halal/kosher slaughter

is humane.

[EOTE]

47. Yeah, I'll get right on that.

As soon as you provide proof that beating the animals senseless and putting bolts through their brain is more humane.

[snagglepuss]

49. I just cited the experiment that proves that every point.

[EOTE]

54. No you didn't.

The experiment provided shows that there are ways to slaughter animals which is more humane than that. Not that the use of such techniques is in ANY way widespread. If you knew how animals were slaughtered in a typical slaughterhouse, you'd know what bullshit you're peddling.

[snagglepuss]

71. I'm spreading bullshit? Hardly. Please cite your evidence. Want more EVIDENCE supporting my

position? Read the Report on good and adverse practices - Animal welfare concerns in relation to slaughter practices from the viewpoint of veterinary sciences.


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Without making a value judgement it can be stated that neck cutting without stunning poses the highest risk for animal welfare because restraining for the cut and during bleedingimposes extra manipulation to the animal. Additionally, pain, suffering and distress during thecut and during bleeding are highly likely. The latter is partly reduced during stunning postneck cutting, which represents an intermediate risk for animal welfare. Although stunningmethods themselves involve risks to animal welfare which have to be managed, stunningprior to neck cutting represents the lowest risk for overall compromise of animal welfare.

Table 7: Comparative ranking of risks with regard to compromised animal welfare due to different slaughter methods Page 57

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?hl=en&q=cache:HZtby6vqYwUJ:http://www.ekoclubspinea.com/download/macellazione_religiosa.pdf+Pleiter+ritual+slaughter++halal&ct=clnk


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The authors of the report:

K. von Holleben, bsi Schwarzenbek, Germany
M. von Wenzlawowicz, bsi Schwarzenbek, Germany
N. Gregory, Royal Veterinary College, UK
H. Anil, Cardiff University, UK
A.Velarde, IRTA, Spain
P. Rodriguez, IRTA, Spain
B. Cenci Goga, University of Perugia, Italy
B. Catanese, University of Perugia, Italy
B. Lambooij, ASG Veehourderij, The Netherlands



This report as part of the dialogue on religious slaughter summarises the animal welfare concerns from the viewpoint of veterinary sciences in relation to slaughter practices. It includes neck cutting without stunning, stunning prior to neck cutting (in the context of religious slaughter), and post neck cut stunning . The aim is to discuss and evaluate the different types of slaughter practices, including preslaughter handling. This report has been produced in an unbiased and comparative manner, taking into account scientific findings and observations gathered by veterinarians and scientists under practical conditions. Part of the report is also be based on observations made during the spot visits, carried out during the project in Germany, Spain, Great Britain, France, Belgium, Italy, Netherlands, Israel, Australia (and New Zealand). This is referred to as experience gathered by the veterinarians of the Dialrel consortium, mainly during WP21. Species covered are cattle, sheep, goats and poultry (predominately chicken and turkey).


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The DIALREL project is funded by the European Commission and involves partners from 11 countries. It addresses issues relating to religious slaughter in order to encourage dialogue between stakeholders and interested parties.

Religious slaughter has always been a controversial and emotive subject, caught between animal welfare considerations and cultural and human rights issues. There is considerable variation in current practices and the rules regarding religious requirements are confusing.

Consumer demands and concerns also need to be addressed and theproject is collecting and collating information relating to slaughter techniques, product ranges, consumerexpectations, market share and socio-economic issues. The project is multidisciplinary and based on closecooperation between veterinarians, food scientists, sociologists, and jurists and other interested parties.

EC funded project. N°: FP6-2005-FOOD-4-C: From 1st November 2006 until spring 2010

The text represents the views of the author(s) and does not necessarily represent a position of the Commission, whowill not be liable for the use made of such information.Project CoordinatorDr. Mara MieleSchool of City and RegionalPlanningCardiff UniversityGlamorgan BuildingKing Edward VII AvenueCardiff, CF10 3WAUnited KingdomTel : [phone]Fax: [phone]e-mail: [e-mail]


http://www.dialrel.eu/dialrel-results

[Recursion]

25. What? No

ذَبِيْحَة is one of the most humane slaughtering practices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhabihah

[snagglepuss]

37. That total BS. Show me the science behind the assertion not religious mumbo jumbo.

[Recursion]

40. Ummm.... whatever

Yes, yes, I'm sure you know a more humane way to slaughter an animal than a single quick throat cutting

:eyes:

[snagglepuss]

48. Science has shown that animals that are stunned first do not suffer.

This is not my opinion but scientific fact. Science has proved conclusively animals endure painful and needless suffering when bleed to death without being stunned first.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19471328?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum


Guardian UK

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New Zealand veterinarian scientist Craig Johnson was given an award from the Humane Slaughter Association, for his body of work that demonstrates that animals suffer more without stunning. In one crucial experiment, Johnson et al administered mild anaesthetics to calves so that they could not feel the pain of the incision, but the pain response was still measurable. It remained present in the animals without stunning, but was immediately erased by stunning.


"I think our work is the best evidence yet that it's painful", Johnson told New Scientist. While this may appear to come from the oft-referenced University of the Bleeding Obvious, in fact defenders of Jewish shechita and Muslim dhabiha slaughter cite scientific evidence that the practice is not painful to the animal. In 2003, the Muslim Council of Great Britain claimed that "the brain is instantaneously starved of blood and there is no time to start feeling any pain." Johnson's work says otherwise.

snip

Professor David Blackmore who pioneered much work in humane slaughter of many species:

Most animal species carry much more blood to the brain via arteries deeper than the external carotid arteries, such as their internal carotid and vertebral arteries, hence they stay conscious for longer (than humans who have their throat cut).




http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2009/oct ...

[sinkingfeeling]

60. And have you ever seen a steer 'stunned' with a bolt gun? And how do think the animal that is

stunned by electrocution reacts to that current?

[snagglepuss]

72. See Table 7 Pg 57 in the Report on good and adverse practices - re slaughter practices

The table I refer to in the Report on good and adverse practices - Animal welfare concerns in relation to slaughter practices from the viewpoint of veterinary sciences compares the compromised animal welfare due to different slaughter methods


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Without making a value judgement it can be stated that neck cutting without stunning poses the highest risk for animal welfare because restraining for the cut and during bleedingimposes extra manipulation to the animal. Additionally, pain, suffering and distress during thecut and during bleeding are highly likely. The latter is partly reduced during stunning postneck cutting, which represents an intermediate risk for animal welfare. Although stunningmethods themselves involve risks to animal welfare which have to be managed, stunningprior to neck cutting represents the lowest risk for overall compromise of animal welfare.

Table 7: Comparative ranking of risks with regard to compromised animal welfare due to different slaughter methods Page 57

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?hl=en&q=cache:HZtby6vqYwUJ:http://www.ekoclubspinea.com/download/macellazione_religiosa.pdf+Pleiter+ritual+slaughter++halal&ct=clnk

[riderinthestorm]

43. Temple Grandin agrees with you. Many of these slaughterhouses hang the animals upside down, alive

on a conveyor system to facilitate that kind of halal or kosher butchering. In fact, since the topic of the OP is sheep, 100% of them are hung upside, alive, and a nose tong is shoved up it's nose to position the neck backwards to make the cut. This is the halal or kosher way of slaughtering in both the US and abroad.

I remembered it from her book. I'm into horses and horse slaughterhouses are a big deal in my business, with everyone having an opinion - so "humane" transport and slaughter get a great deal of discussion in our house.

[snagglepuss]

56. It is utterly disgusting that people will sacrifice humanity for supersititions.

I doubt Yahweh or Allah are going to send down curses on those who have stunned animals before slicing their throats.

[riderinthestorm]

59. She talks about the stunning controversy a great deal in her articles and book

Since her whole life is now dedicated to humane slaughter, and horse slaughter is a big deal for us, I've been interested in her work for a long time.

100% of sheep are hung alive, upside down for their slaughter for a halal or kosher butchering if I can recall correctly.

I think Temple Grndin has a website but its been a while since I've browsed any of her info. The controversy for us in IL was a few years back when the Cavel plant was operating just down the road from us. It was a French firm but the outcry was so great they finally got shut down.

[LanternWaste]

69. I imagine it's not limited to superstitions..

"It is utterly disgusting that people will sacrifice humanity for supersititions (sic)"

I imagine cruelty towards animals, regardless of agenda or method is not limited to superstitions, but also dramatically enabled by greed, culture, philosophies, etc.

(Although, as those are all imaginary constructs too, I suppose a broadened definition of "superstitions" could be applied to them also).

[Odin2005]

63. Yup. Using religion to justify cruelty is dusgusting.

[matt819]

5. The stupidity, it hurts

How can these clowns make it from day to day without their heads bursting.

I guess they have to stop buying all those foods with those weird symbols indicating they are certified as kosher.

Wow, to be that aggressively stupid must be a full-time job.

[cali]

8. man, it gets stupider in that thread. baby, I'm amazed.

To: All

We need to outlaw hallalal meat and deport or concentration camp all muslims immediately.

They are enemies of the U.S. and we should declare war on them immediately.

23 posted on Friday, April 22, 2011 12:50:34 PM by PieterCasparzen (Huguenot)
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Now, more than ever, it is time to read the label, and MAKE PHONE CALLS to COSTCO and others!

Costco Corporate HQ’s is [phone] if you want to ask them why they are discriminating against Christians, as the store in Naperville, Illinois is only serving Halal Lamb loins.
Campbell’s Soup Halal products under the direction of ISNA:

24 posted on Friday, April 22, 2011 12:52:10 PM by RaceBannon (Prov 29:2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule,)
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To: RaceBannon

I couldn’t care less, so long as they’re not adding anything to it. I don’t recognize their cult as truth anyway, so if the want to chant, yell “Allahu Mars Bar” or bark at the moon, it doesn’t mean anything to me.

25 posted on Friday, April 22, 2011 12:53:20 PM by ScottinVA (Imagine.... a world without islam.)
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To: RaceBannon; stowaway; jjm2111; Mrs.LoneGOPinCT; underbyte; badbackman; Bigfitz; mcswan; ...

Now, more than ever, it is time to read the label, and MAKE PHONE CALLS to COSTCO and others!

Costco Corporate HQ’s is [phone] if you want to ask them why they are discriminating against Christians, as the store in Naperville, Illinois is only serving Halal Lamb loins.
Campbell’s Soup Halal products under the direction of ISNA:

26 posted on Friday, April 22, 2011 12:53:20 PM by RaceBannon (Prov 29:2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule,)
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To: RaceBannon

Follow the money!!!!
Eating Halal meat is not the biggest insult. What pisses me off is that Muslim companies and employees are getting the butcher and meat distribution money and jobs. In this awful economy when you eat Halal meat this means some Christian meat workers lost their jobs to make way for this “wonderful” Halal meat

27 posted on Friday, April 22, 2011 12:54:36 PM by dennisw (nzt - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: olezip

OH No, in order to be HALAL, it IS sacrificed to the false god, Allah, it LITERALLY IS meat sacrificed to idols!

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4RNTN_enUS381US381&q=halal+mecca+head

28 posted on Friday, April 22, 2011 12:55:39 PM by RaceBannon (Prov 29:2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule,)
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To: magritte

Would PETA approve?

29 posted on Friday, April 22, 2011 12:56:54 PM by kevslisababy
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To: RaceBannon

1Corinthians 10:28

30 posted on Friday, April 22, 2011 12:58:25 PM by hope
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To: RaceBannon

I’m already boycotting Campbell’s for this. I don’t shop at COSTCO anyway. I won’t support any company who supports muslims.

31 posted on Friday, April 22, 2011 12:58:41 PM by ilovesarah2012
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To: RaceBannon

So, a spray bottle full of a 50/50 mixture of vodka and bacon fat might be a good thing to carry so as to “baptize” such products.

Think of it as a twofer

32 posted on Friday, April 22, 2011 12:58:48 PM by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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To: RaceBannon
"...a single cut with a very sharp knife is needed."

Interesting. This is more humane than their treatment of beheading victims...
33 posted on Friday, April 22, 2011 1:01:50 PM by DJ Frisat (How's that change workin' out for ya, Obama voters?)
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To: RaceBannon

I have no problem with the method of slaughter, which is very similar to kosher.

But I do have a problem with eating food that has been offered in sacrifice to Allah.

At the Council of Jerusalem, as described in the Book of Acts, it was agreed that gentiles need not be circumcized or follow most Jewish ritual customs. But there were some exceptions.

Here is the gist of it:

For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

—Acts 15:28-29

34 posted on Friday, April 22, 2011 1:01:59 PM by Cicero
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To: RaceBannon

“There is, therefore, a second Muslim butcher standing by to re-cut the neck to conclude the procedure, causing undo suffering to the animal.”

Haven’t they had enough experience on human Infidels to get THIS right???

35 posted on Friday, April 22, 2011 1:02:57 PM by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!!)
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To: RaceBannon

Ewww, I was planning to buy lamb at COSTCO today.

36 posted on Friday, April 22, 2011 1:04:38 PM by Eva
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To: RaceBannon
Mecca …..
37 posted on Friday, April 22, 2011 1:04:57 PM by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: RaceBannon

I’ve had to return steaks to two different stores $9.00 to $l2.00 recently because you can’t cut ‘em, you can’t chew ‘em! Even tenderloin has too much connective tissue! I just bought some from Costco, and they are delicious! When someone does something right, they should be rewarded.

38 posted on Friday, April 22, 2011 1:05:27 PM by Paperdoll ( On the cutting edge)
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To: Vaquero

“what makes it Halal?”

It is halal if the animal is sacrificed to the pagan idol of the black rock in Mecca.

This ritual is obviously meaningless, as allah is a nothing (or a demon) and the rock is a rock.

Nonetheless, as a Christian, I fall back on the teaching in Acts to avoid eating meat sacrificed to idols, to avoid giving credibility to the evil religion, so as not to lead weaker Christians astray.

39 posted on Friday, April 22, 2011 1:05:54 PM by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: RayChuang88
Hold it right there. Isn't halal-certified meat very similar to Kosher certification for meat, too?

Important difference: for it to be halal, the animal was sacrificed to Allah, with butcher saying Islamic prayer. Meat from an animal explicitly sacrificed to other gods is forbidden to Jews.
40 posted on Friday, April 22, 2011 1:07:10 PM by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: RayChuang88

“Hold it right there. Isn’t halal-certified meat very similar to Kosher certification for meat, too?”

Not even close.

41 posted on Friday, April 22, 2011 1:07:10 PM by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: RaceBannon

This thread is an embarrassment. Kosher and Halal don’t offend me.

If they offend you, I have two words of advice:

“Bacon-Wrapped”

42 posted on Friday, April 22, 2011 1:07:43 PM by Beelzebubba ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: RaceBannon

This creeps me out. Glad we didn’t renew our membership when it expired. I consider the stamp to be a warning label.

[Rex]

13. Holyshit.

It is like someone forgot to close the barn door! They will not eat meat that might (or maybe not) have had a prayer said before it died (so they could eat it)? What a bunch of losers. Toward the bottom someone actually points out how embarrassing the thread is...not embarrassing, expected from people with IQs around 64 and never read a book in their entire life.

[kestrel91316]

22. I love how they call Allah a false god. Somebody needs to tell them that Allah

is the Arabic name for the very selfsame GOD OF ABRAHAM that the Christians and Jews worship.

[tammywammy]

32. Yeah I noticed that too

:rofl:

[closeupready]

33. That would require observing Truth, and they don't do Truth.

They do Yee-Haw.

[Rex]

38. No, not someone they themselves need to stfu and crack open

a book or two. Maybe use the Internets for something besides hate mail.

[Liberal Dose]

55. I was just going to say the same thing.

They've got their panties in a wad over meat being offered to their own god lol.

[Odin2005]

64. Yup. Arab Christians call God "Allah", it's just the Arabic word for God.

It's cognate to the Hebrew word for God, Eloh/Elohim

[BIGFOOTSDADDY333]

52. they also forgot that God said to love your enemies

[tabasco]

7. Are they afraid they'll go to hell if they eat that shit?

Dumbasses already have a one-way ticket.

[SoCalNative]

10. Oh dear

"Eating Halal meat is not the biggest insult. What pisses me off is that Muslim companies and employees are getting the butcher and meat distribution money and jobs. In this awful economy when you eat Halal meat this means some Christian meat workers lost their jobs to make way for this “wonderful” Halal meat"
posted on Friday, April 22, 2011 9:54:36 AM by dennisw (nzt - "works better if you're already smart")


Yes..so sad that the "Christian meat workers" lost their jobs.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[walldude]

12. Cool so I won't run into any Freepers at Costco..

another in the plus column for one of the country's best employers.

[SoCalNative]

14. It's a WIN-WIN!

I think we should campaign for Halal products to be carried at more major retailers across the country!

[napi21]

15. I don't like lamb so I don't care, but at least it sounds like they

butcher a lot mor humanely than those in the US do!

[Motown_Johnny]

53. Lamb is yummy

your loss

[mysuzuki2]

16. such utter ignorance of Islam

ok freeper-folk, I'll make this easy for you. Allah is not an idol; Muslims and Islam are completely opposed to idol-worship. Second, IT'S THE SAME FUCKING GOD YOU TWITS! Actually, I'm glad to know about Costco. My daughter married a Pakistani guy and when they come to visit it's hard to find something new to feed my 4 granddaughters. They are all heartilly sick of my veggie lasagna.

[cali]

17. you should have just stopped at "such utter ignorance"

they're ignorant about virtually everything.

[Arkansas Granny]

21. And damned proud of it, too!

[Kber]

18. Un-freaking-Real!

[SeattleVet]

23. Priceless!

Funny that they should make mention of "not being wrapped to tight"...looks like there are several there who would know all about that!

To: Responsibility2nd
Go to Costco. Get all the bacon you can. Maybe some good ham too. Put it ON TOP of the halal stuff. (Works best if some muzzie is watching)
Some of their pork in the meat section ins't wrapped too tight. Sometimes the pork blood seeps out. And sometimes that blood gets all over the place.

58 posted on Friday, April 22, 2011 10:31:00 by dragonblustar (Just saying........)
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[freshwest]

66. Bacon grease is the new holy water. Praise The Lord!

[closeupready]

26. Ignorance - it's not just for breakfast anymore.

:rofl:

[formercia]

27. Perhaps the freepers will panic and stop earing entirely

when we tell them they're eating HALAL BARBQ. :rofl:

Hows that HALAL pulled Pork sandwich, Bubba?

[tammywammy]

31. I guess I don't get it

I'm not religious at all, but I do like kosher meat. Isn't halal similar?

[EOTE]

34. Yes. It basically means the animal was killed as humanely as possible.

But because there's a religious official saying the word "Allah" while it's happening, the Freepers' Christian sensibilities are attacked. Must be exhausting being a freeper. Some evil boogieman around every corner trying to attack you.

[sarge43]

58. Many similarities and some differences.

Mohammad admired both Christianity and Judaism -- People of the Book. He adopted many of the rituals and rules of both religions into Islam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_and_Jewish_dietary_laws_compared

[Fire Walk With Me]

35. I remember when Halal 9000 said "I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that" when asked to make a ham sandwich.

[Withywindle]

62. DUzy!

Honorary one, anyway. :rofl:

[ProfessionalLeftist]

41. I don't give a crap who it was offered to...

...I still wouldn't eat it.

[JuniperLea]

57. Why? Are you a vegetarian?

Or do you believe in some hocus-pocus procured of some God you don't believe in?

I try to eat kosher and halal meats whenever I can.

This reminds me of a woman who complained about her school planning to put in foot baths in the restrooms so Muslims could wash their feet before prayer. Then she went on to complain about the Muslim women washing their feet in the regular sinks. She thought it "filthy." I told her I bet those women washed their feet more often than she washed her hands and that I found it absurd to claim something was "filthy" when cleanses so regularly and far more absurd that she would continue to complain when a solution to HER problem was being offered.

People hate because people hate... there is no justification for the stupidity that ensues.

[hifiguy]

42. Wow. Wonder if the freeps have ever accidentally

picked up a pack of Hebrew National franks? If you know any who have, tell 'em they just turned Jewish. Halal and kosher meat processing are two sides of the same coin, in terms of technique.

These people are too damned dumb to be believed. How do they manage to wipe their asses or tie their own shoes? Unfortunately they reproduce and vote.

[RockaFowler]

46. They do realize we all worship the same God

Be it Yahweh, Jehovah, God or Allah - they are all the same being

As a Jew I'm offended that they think Halal is bad. My Middle-Eastern family has eaten this way for years!!!

[Incitatus]

50. No, I don't think they do.

They do not realize a LOT of things.

[JuniperLea]

61. All are the God of Abraham...

I wonder if they realize they are being blasphemous.

[Motown_Johnny]

51. Didn't they do this when they found out a McDonald's in Dearborn has some Halal items?

How many times can they be outraged over the same damn thing?


I suppose it is worse this time because one of them actually bought it and brought it home. My God! They might have fed some of to their children if not for the miracle of one of them READING THE F___ING LABEL!


This is one of those things where they are imposing the punishment on themselves. Let them shop around for a leg of lamb that isn't offensive to them. It isn't hurting anyone and I am fairly confident that companies are not going to change anything because a few wing nuts are offended.

[county worker]

65. Don't f...ing eat meat and you won't have the problem stupid freeps.

It makes me almost sick to read how animals are killed. I know everyone isn't going to stop eating meat and I am not proposing that but there are two insane things I see here.

First is the idea of HALAL meat is a superstitious practice that in reality means nothing. If you really cared how the animal felt when you slit its throat you wouldn't do it.

Next the fact that the freeps accept this superstition as meaningful enough to avoid the meat is a case of the doubles stupids!

[freshwest]

67. +100,000

[Stevenmarc]

68. Well there's a good reason to go to a Halal butcher, you can avoid teabaggers

[eppur_se_muova]

70. Um, does this guy know what an "Orthodox Christian" is?

Probably not -- he doesn't even know that "al-Lah", literally "the God", means exactly the same thing as English "God" (as opposed to lower-case, generic, off-labe. "god"), and that Muslims regard Allah of the Koran to be the same God as in the Bible and the Torah. So that little "offering" of Rid-Ex seems to be blaspheming his own God. (OK, actually the attribution is confused, as three different freepers have posted/commented ... for all I know the originator really was Orthodox.)

[LLStarks]

73. Isn't halal a subset of kosher? If you buy kosher, it's also halal.

[Blue_In_AK]

74. Exactly.

My Muslim son-in-law buys Kosher meat when he can't get Halal. They are virtually the same.