History's Biggest Non-Sequitors

[Taverner]

A non-sequitor translates to "does not follow." An example would be a list of milk, eggs, meat and supernovas.

So, in history there have been quite a few:

- "Mother" Jones was against Womens' Sufferage
- Barry Goldwater supported gay rights
- Bob Barr supports Marijuana Legalization
- Strom Thurmond was a Democrat
- Democrats were pro-slavery in the Civil War
- Henry Wallace was a Republican until he joined the FDR administration
- Ronald Reagan tried to join the Communist Party, but was refused
- Fidel Castro wanted to be a baseball player
- Pol Pot was a Kindergarten Teacher
- The Confederate States of America had Jews in it's administration before the Union did
- Billy Graham was a lifelong Democrat. He was also a Civil Rights activist
- So was "Reverend" Phred Phelps


Can anyone else think up any?

[Davis_X_Machina]

1. Pedant patrol...

...it's non sequitur. Third person singular passive/deponent ending is -tur.

[muriel_volestrangler]

2. Glad you got there first, comrade

:patriot:

[Scuba]

5. Cool, thanks. I've been using it wrong also. n/t

[Davis_X_Machina]

19. I do this stuff --

-- Latin -- for a living. So I'm prepared to be a bit....odd...about it.

I'm still reeling from Toyota's canonizing 'Prii' as the plural of 'Prius', when, because 'Prius' is a Latin word already -- the neuter singular of prior -- it had a perfectly good Latin plural alreay -- 'Priora'.

No wonder they're hounded by recalls. Falsum in uno, falsum in omnibus....

[Scuba]

26. My paternal grandmother taught Latin at Bates College in Lewiston, Me. n/t

[Davis_X_Machina]

30. Twelve miles up the road from me....

...we go there all the time for concerts and such. Big in debate, too. When I used to coach debate, they always hosted the States.

[RandomThoughts]

3. If you understand 'nouns'

You can understand how someone saying Democrats, or Republicans, supported this or that, at some time, means nothing.

The word had a different meaning then, it was loaded with a different value by the people that considered themselves part of that group.

Democrat then, and Democrat now, are not the same word.

if you think they are the same word, you only see the label, not the action and meaning.

That is label trap, and many in marketing use stored values in Nouns to add to some other thing.

That is what Orwellian do, and how words have power, Maub'dib is a power word, becuase of the book Dune, even if it is in the book Dune. And the saying of the phrase, "Maub'dib is a power word" said in that book, and the rest of that tale, is what loaded that name with meaning for most people.

"A rose by any other name, would smell just as sweet" Shakespeare knew of label trap, and defeats it with that phrase.

[hfojvt]

9. it was the stupid movie that made Muad'dib a "power word"

there was no such thing as a "weirding module" in the book.

[RandomThoughts]

12. heh, good point.

That is funny. The movie tainted, my memory of the book.

Although that does show the example. By the bad movie (they made two of them) being where that comes from, such a comment removes from the value for you.

Where as me, not remembering that not specifically being mentioned in the book, but yea, I do know the first movie was garbage, it melded with many other elements or concepts in that book.

Is there a comment in that book on nouns, trying to remember that, have not read it in years.

I remember much of the training regiment, moving one muscle at a time, and the handling of imaginary pain without flinching, a lesson on perceived futures changing your coarse, fear of physical harm in that case. Slow knife penetrates the shield, big concept there also, and fear is the mind killer, the biggest comment in that book in my opinion.

Weirding word, that was form of Jedi Speech, or Command tone, but was not noun based but more same as the Jedi influence with a comment.

He also commented on the shift of time in the future made from some statement, also the Oracle vase comment made in other post. A form of use of words for change of events, maybe where that idea came from.

I think I took the merging of both the bad and better movie, and the book when thinking on that topic.

Thanks for pointing that out.

[hfojvt]

4. the progressive Fighting Bob LaFollette was a Republican

A higher percentage of Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 than Democrats.

The famous fundamentalist William Jennings Bryan was a Democrat, and Democratic candidate for President.

[Taverner]

13. William Jennings Brian was a staunch FUNDAMENTALIST Christian

and yet was as much of an angel to the poor as Dorothy Day

[KansDem]

6. Also: Ronald Reagan was president of a union.

Here he is speaking to the Screen Actors' Guild in 1947.

--more--
SAG

[LLStarks]

7. Strom Thurmond was Dixiecrat. Get it right. nt

[fishwax]

10. He was also a Democrat

:shrug:

[Scuba]

8. And Richard Nixon wanted national health coverage....

...just goes to show how worthless labels are in this rapidly changing age.

In Nixon's day, today's Republicans would be known as "Mussolini Fascists".

[Taverner]

14. Yep - most people at the time thought the Government was good and of the people

It wasn't until Reagan that Government became the "enemy"

[rug]

11. Hitler was a vegetarian.

[dixiegrrrrl]

15. Cheney once had a heart.

[Toucano]

21. That's just a dirty rumour! n/t

[slackmaster]

16. Calling most of these items non-sequiturs strikes me as just plain silly

They're just facts that may seem strange to people who aren't familiar with the context in which they existed.

[Taverner]

17. What would you call them then?

Anomalies?

Trivia?

[slackmaster]

18. They're just facts to me. I have no problem accepting the spotty distant past of my party.

Or the fact that the present state of things in general is not the way things have always been. I've lived long enough to see some changes that would seem radical had they happened overnight.

HTH

[Taverner]

20. Look I'm not trying to make the GOP look good

I'm just throwing out things that aren't usual

Aren't expected

[slackmaster]

34. They're unexpected only to people who haven't studied history

;-)

[Taverner]

35. I have studied history, and I still find them unexpected

Especially with our party's Jeffersonian Beginnings

[cali]

23. exactly.

[cali]

22. uh, Strom Thurmond being a dem wasn't a non-sequitur

he was a dixiecrat and there were many like him. Democrats being pro-slavery isn't either. The party has evolved since then. Henry Wallace was in the tradition of liberal repubs. Why it is a non-sequitur that Castro wanted to be a baseball player? Or that the CSA had Jews in its administration before the Union did.

sorry, but your list makes little sense.

[david13]

24. I just think op used the wrong word. Anomaly is what I would say.

Now, the thing about pro slavery Democrats and anti slavery Republicans at the time of the Civic War.
The two have turned around since then; switched positions or roles, as it were.
That explains the Dixiecrats, who all morphed (?) into Republicans some time ago.
Ronald Reagan was a union pres. But they say he was a total sell out to the studios.
The truth is, none of this world makes any good sense. The whole thing is going to hell in a handbag.
dc

[cali]

27. nope. justs facts. nothing anomalous about most of them

[david13]

28. Yep. Anomalous, indeed. Something unexpected. dc

[cali]

29. nothing unexpected about most of those facts.

[david13]

32. Yes. There were all things that you wouldn't necessarily expect

from those that got them.
Unless you are one of those people what expect the unexpected. Then still, the word is ...
anomaly.
dc

[wickerwoman]

25. The Iraq War as a response to 9/11. n/t

[coalition_unwilling]

31. Brilliant! Best response EVER! - n/t

[Keith Bee]

33. Poor Taverner

:nopity:

[Odin2005]

36. Pol Pot was a teacher? That's kinda freaky.