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Casandia (181 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 05:32 PM Original message |
Really? Obama's opinion on Bradley Manning... |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
1. and killing women and children in allied countries by way of drones is NOT breaking any law? ok nt |
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loudsue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:59 AM Response to Reply #1 |
137. Exactly. "Laws" are evidently in the eyes of the beholder. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #137 |
181. "When the president does it, it isn't illegal" richard nixon |
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ironrooster (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
2. we are a nation of laws (for the little people)/nt |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 06:05 PM Response to Reply #2 |
24. +1 |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:49 PM Response to Reply #24 |
152. Yep |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:29 AM Response to Reply #2 |
96. +10 |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
147. ! |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
149. +1000 |
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gtar100 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
151. And so it seems. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
154. True - when are we going to prosecute the war criminals, Mr. President? |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
3. Why is this upsetting? nt |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Oh, I don't know. That whole right-to-a-trial thing. Guess you forgot about that? |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Has his right to a trial been revoked? I didn't read anything about that in the story. nt |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 05:46 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Who said he wasn't getting a trial? He'll get a trial where his confession will be held against him. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 05:50 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Did someone say someone said he wasn't getting a trail? (DU games, play along or go nuts) |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #17 |
141. Voluntary confessions are good evidence if they are voluntary and if they are confessions. |
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Qutzupalotl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 06:21 PM Response to Reply #141 |
191. Manning's lawyers are being paid to challenge both. |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:15 PM Response to Reply #191 |
224. Yes and please consider the government lawyers are being paid to throw |
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libmom74 (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 07:54 PM Response to Reply #17 |
216. It sounds like he has already been |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:52 PM Response to Reply #216 |
240. Innocent until proven guilty applies to the court of law, not people's opinions. nt |
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libmom74 (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:46 AM Response to Reply #240 |
249. The CIC of the armed forces is not any random |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
168. Deleted message |
MrMickeysMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 05:38 PM Response to Reply #15 |
190. He'll be ready for a trial... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:02 AM Response to Reply #12 |
121. Amen! I cannot believe the stupidity on this subject! |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:38 PM Response to Reply #121 |
157. Of course you can't... |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 03:13 PM Response to Reply #121 |
161. That's not the point. The president shouldn't be proclaiming someone as guilty until |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 03:19 PM Response to Reply #161 |
162. Innocent until proven guilty doesn't exist in the US military. nt |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 03:22 PM Response to Reply #162 |
164. Really? Another reason to dislike the military. Why bother with a trial then? |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 03:29 PM Response to Reply #164 |
165. If my understanding is correct, civilian trials prove guilt, military trials prove innocence. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 06:38 PM Response to Reply #165 |
193. That is incorrect. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:30 PM Response to Reply #164 |
228. Dislike the military? Are you going to rewrite the UMCJ? |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 04:38 PM Response to Reply #161 |
174. Does that mean we should refer to Jared Loughner as an alleged shooter? |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 07:47 PM Response to Reply #174 |
215. And you're not the POTUS either. So it doesn't much matter. n/t |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:32 PM Response to Reply #215 |
229. the POTUS isn't different from anyone else |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:29 PM Response to Reply #161 |
226. This reminds me of Nixon saying he thought Manson was guilty |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 03:33 PM Response to Reply #121 |
166. Maybe if we make it real simple you can understand. He is being punished before the trial. |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #166 |
172. a speedy trial would be nice, tho it 's mannings lawyer who asked for a delay I think |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 06:57 PM Response to Reply #172 |
195. That is a very important piece of information you state. If Manning has asked for a delay |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 07:23 PM Response to Reply #195 |
204. Here's a link |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 07:38 PM Response to Reply #204 |
214. Thank you. Very good info but it doesnt substantiate the above poster's claim that |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 08:11 PM Response to Reply #214 |
217. The defense requested the mental capacity evaluation, and thus the delay |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 08:22 PM Response to Reply #217 |
219. Something doesnt add up. The army says they cant proceed until they determine if Manning is |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 08:32 PM Response to Reply #219 |
223. I don't know why it would take so long |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:44 PM Response to Reply #223 |
237. I am curious why you take the side of the government and not the human? Do you need |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:59 PM Response to Reply #237 |
241. Where have I "taken the side of the government"? |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:42 PM Response to Reply #241 |
244. Well good for you. If you can live with yourself, go for it. nm |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:15 AM Response to Reply #244 |
248. You didn't answer the question. Please post where I have 'taken the side of the government'. n/t |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:14 AM Response to Reply #248 |
250. Maybe I misjudged. Here's your oppurtunity to straighten me out. Do you support the governments |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 08:20 PM Response to Reply #195 |
218. since i couldn't remember where i read it, here are two references i just googled |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 08:23 PM Response to Reply #218 |
220. Thank you very much. That makes a lot of difference. nm |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 08:31 PM Response to Reply #220 |
222. always happy to help/inform :) n/t |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:34 PM Response to Reply #172 |
232. And that happens all the time in criminal courts |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:42 PM Response to Reply #232 |
236. I am so glad you can rationalize that he is getting a fair trial. Are you Nancy Grace? nm |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:33 PM Response to Reply #166 |
230. No he is not. He is detained pending trial. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:41 PM Response to Reply #230 |
235. How long does his "pre-trial" imprisonment go on before you realize that it is a punishment? Or do |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 06:59 PM Response to Reply #121 |
196. I notice that you pop into threads, drop a turd and then leave, never to respond. |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:01 PM Response to Reply #3 |
71. Perhaps innocent before being proven guilty? That quaint little paragraph? n/t |
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moriah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:23 PM Response to Reply #71 |
78. Would you have preferred "He confessed to breaking the law"? |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:42 PM Response to Reply #78 |
158. No, I would simply prefer Mr. President to at least pretend to be consistent. |
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moriah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 07:04 PM Response to Reply #158 |
197. What I thought was most telling about what he said was: |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 07:16 PM Response to Reply #197 |
198. Well, I would argue that Manning upheld his oath. He uncovered war crimes that |
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moriah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 07:27 PM Response to Reply #198 |
206. You also voluntarily subject yourself to the UCMJ. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 07:32 PM Response to Reply #206 |
210. UCMJ only applies to lawful orders. Is hiding a crime because you were ordered to |
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moriah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:24 PM Response to Reply #210 |
225. What he did was disobey a lawful regulation under Article 92... plus several USC violations. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:46 PM Response to Reply #197 |
238. But w/o a trial, we dont know what he did, do we? nm |
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moriah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 10:21 PM Response to Reply #238 |
242. We know what he has admitted to doing. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:39 PM Response to Reply #242 |
243. So he spoke to you personally? Or are you believing some other source? |
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moriah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 11:29 AM Response to Reply #243 |
251. And are the Lunar Laser Ranging experiments not proof enough we landed on the moon for you? |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 02:40 PM Response to Reply #251 |
252. Strawman argument. Even if he did confess he is innocent until proven guilty. |
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moriah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 06:37 PM Response to Reply #252 |
253. So was calling me a right-wing whacko. Or inferring it. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 11:38 PM Response to Reply #253 |
254. I agree that calling you a right wing wacko was unwarranted. But would you agree that |
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moriah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 11:40 AM Response to Reply #254 |
255. If the exclusion was itself written into the Constitution... |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 04:29 PM Response to Reply #255 |
256. I will try a couple of points, trying not to attack your "liberal credentials". |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:52 AM Response to Reply #71 |
112. Well then, I guess we can get rid of prosecutors, since they walk in saying the guy did it |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:44 PM Response to Reply #112 |
245. Hey, the President of the USofFukingA said he did it. Case fuking closed. Nancy Grace will |
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lob1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #3 |
150. Before he was prez, Obama said he'd protect whistleblowers. |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:57 PM Response to Reply #150 |
153. Yeah, he said a lot of stuff before he was elected... |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #150 |
167. Whilstleblowers inform others about a wrong doing they have learned about. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 07:17 PM Response to Reply #167 |
200. He blew the whistle on bombings in Yemen. n/t |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 07:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
212. Why it's upsetting?...I can't speak for anyone else, here, but |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
4. Yeah, that's Obama, all right. He's fully of pretty red herrings. |
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aSpeckofDust (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
6. The Law.* |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #6 |
33. + |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
7. So did Bush and many others. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
8. How can he get a fair trial now? |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 05:42 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. LOL! The Free Mumia of the 21st century. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:44 PM Response to Reply #11 |
67. Mumia is a joke? |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 07:23 PM Response to Reply #11 |
203. Authoritarians dont want him to have a fair trial. They despise those that dare speak |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
9. Hey, baby, I hate to break it to you but a lot of your campaign donors have broken the law |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
10. So much for anything resembling a fair court martial. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Fact- he did break the law and admitted it. |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. I don't get it... Why the long delay of a trial? And in isolation? |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:27 AM Response to Reply #20 |
95. unless i'm wrong, Mannings lawyer is the one who asked for a delay n/t |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 05:59 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Did he have his day in court yet? Has official judgment been rendered? |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:04 PM Response to Reply #21 |
72. WTF ever |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 08:19 AM Response to Reply #72 |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:02 AM Response to Reply #119 |
122. Where does the Constitution say that a person charged with a crime |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 07:27 PM Response to Reply #122 |
205. Welcome back. I see you authoritarians stick together. The hell with a fair trial right? He is guilt |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:36 PM Response to Reply #205 |
233. He HAS a right to a trial. You are asserting something different. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:49 PM Response to Reply #233 |
239. You are wacko. He has a right to a speedy trial. He has a right to a reasonable bail. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 07:28 PM Response to Reply #72 |
207. I totally agree with you. Since you've decided he is guilty he must be. |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 06:52 AM Response to Reply #21 |
116. Bingo. |
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Geoff R. Casavant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:12 PM Response to Reply #21 |
156. More specifically, "unlawful command influence" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:37 PM Original message |
UCMJ ART. 37. UNLAWFULLY INFLUENCING ACTION OF COURT |
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OnyxCollie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 05:16 PM Response to Reply #21 |
178. I remember how upset we were when Chimpy |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 07:21 PM Response to Reply #178 |
202. It's only different because he had an R in front of his name Put in D in front of your name and |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 06:25 PM Response to Reply #13 |
30. Your "fact" requires proof. n/t |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 07:55 PM Response to Reply #13 |
51. People who confess get trials. The POTUS should not presume to be the jury. |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:22 AM Response to Reply #51 |
106. Obama is not presuming to be the jury. And POTUS has 'freedom to speech rights' like you do. n/t |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #106 |
155. Please. Obama is not a mere citizen. I refer you to the Nixon-Manson Incident: |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 03:42 PM Response to Reply #106 |
171. I respect his right to speak. I do not respect what he said. How can Manning |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 03:39 PM Response to Reply #13 |
169. So you dont believe in a fair and speedy trial. Sounds suspiciously like the |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
25. He never said that. Mr. Obama never said he was guilty. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 07:29 PM Response to Reply #25 |
208. And we are to take your word? Who are you? nm |
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moriah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:27 PM Response to Reply #10 |
80. See #78. n/t |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
14. "The public is lied to every day by the President...." |
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nmbluesky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
16. I don't care about Bradley Manning |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 06:26 PM Response to Reply #16 |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 07:52 PM Response to Reply #16 |
50. "He is nobody"...and who are you? Should anyone care if you are ever detained naked? |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:31 PM Response to Reply #16 |
59. No worries. When they come for you, we'll all just say you're nobody. n/t |
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MrMickeysMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 05:35 PM Response to Reply #16 |
188. You are wrong about that |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 07:31 PM Response to Reply #16 |
209. I just wonder why you are allowed on DU. You obviously dont respect Democratic |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
18. We’re a nation of laws! We don’t let individuals make their own decisions about how the laws operate |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 05:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. +1. Fuckin' A. nt |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 07:32 PM Response to Reply #19 |
211. I think you summed it up nicely. nm |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 06:20 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. Well put. n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 10:28 PM Response to Reply #18 |
87. Seriously! |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:54 AM Response to Reply #18 |
113. Who is making a decision about how the law operates? |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:03 AM Response to Reply #113 |
123. Deciding how the law operates includes understanding to whom it applies |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
22. That's my opinion,also. |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 06:20 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. The UN has stated that prolonged solitary confinement is a human rights violation. |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:12 PM Response to Reply #27 |
74. Torture is as American as cherry pie (with apologies to H. Rap Brown) - n/t |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
23. it is how i see it. and i understand he will get his trial. he confessed |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 07:04 PM Response to Reply #23 |
40. Telling someone in a chat room that you did something does not constitute a confession. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:11 PM Response to Reply #40 |
52. Tell that to pervs in a chat room, DateLine NBC-style. |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:23 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Hansen's pervs don't go from chat room to solitary. There's a little ol' trial that comes in between |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:47 AM Response to Reply #54 |
99. Actually |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #23 |
42. Obama confessed to cocaine and marijuana use in little book he wrote. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 07:21 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. ergo. no one should ever be prosecuted for crimes again, ever. |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 07:24 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Au contraire. Anyone accused of a crime should be stripped naked and held in solitary confinement |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:11 PM Response to Reply #42 |
53. Statutes of Limitations |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:29 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Nation of laws. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:30 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Under what legal right would the jurisdictional authority bring drug use charges |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:35 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. Same as he: National security. Executive privilege. The usual bullshit. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:36 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. The shark wants a sincere apology since he has been jumped. nt |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:37 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. I blinked and missed it! |
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PufPuf23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 03:08 AM Response to Reply #23 |
114. POTUS Obama has broken more serious laws in not proscecuting Bush et al. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 08:13 AM Response to Reply #114 |
118. i agree one of obamas biggest error is not to go after those who broke law prior. has nothing to do |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:19 AM Response to Reply #114 |
129. The greatest irony will be when the republicans prosecute him for not prosecuting them |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
26. Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:34 PM Response to Reply #26 |
61. Waived upon enlistment in the military |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 10:29 PM Response to Reply #61 |
88. You must have your own private UCMJ. n/t |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:53 PM Response to Reply #88 |
160. Isn't it funny how a lot of the people using the UCMJ as an excuse, have no clue what it says |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
29. Deleted message |
EmmettKelly (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
32. August 4th, 1970 |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
34. Bradley Manning quite obviously broke the law. The President is free to point that out. |
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EmmettKelly (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 06:50 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. He's accused of breaking the law |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:27 PM Response to Reply #35 |
55. Yes, an important legal difference that has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:18 PM Response to Reply #55 |
75. Excuse me but you are patently wrong if you believe at all in |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 08:01 AM Response to Reply #75 |
117. Indeed, "[i]n the eyes of the law." |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 08:58 AM Response to Reply #117 |
120. You wrote, "He [Manning] clearly did [break the law]." That has |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:10 AM Response to Reply #120 |
127. It has yet to be established in court, yes. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:50 AM Response to Reply #117 |
134. Obama is CIC of the US military. Manning is being prosecuted |
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trud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 05:25 PM Response to Reply #117 |
186. unvanguard |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 06:51 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. 'quite obviously broke the law' - Innocent until proven...oh, wait, who needs that old saw. |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 06:55 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Obama is not trying him... |
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EmmettKelly (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 07:06 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. He's entitled to his opinion, even to express it |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 07:20 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. I believe he's right... |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 07:51 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. Well, just so long as you agree with his assessment. |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:31 PM Response to Reply #36 |
60. The legal presumption of innocence need not constitute a suspension of rational thought. |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:20 PM Response to Reply #60 |
76. Jeebus H. Christ, the presumption of innocence is not a 'narrow limit' |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:35 PM Response to Reply #36 |
64. Under that logic, Bush is innocent as well nt |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:22 PM Response to Reply #64 |
77. That is absolutely correct. Bush is presumed innocent until such |
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Zywiec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #77 |
140. LOL - Really? |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:01 PM Response to Reply #140 |
145. As much as I despise the Bush Junta and as firmly as I believe that |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 06:45 PM Response to Reply #145 |
194. Thank you. |
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Ramulux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 06:59 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. How so? |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:34 PM Response to Reply #39 |
62. Because he indicated so, repeatedly, to Adrian Lamo. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 10:32 PM Response to Reply #62 |
90. Adrian Lamo -- that hacker with the psychiatric problems? |
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MrMickeysMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 05:37 PM Response to Reply #34 |
189. State the obvious law breaking part for us, please |
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Terra Alta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
38. Whether he broke the law or not |
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somone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
46. How many Wall Street banksters have been arrested? |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 07:32 PM Response to Original message |
47. How many of the murderers that Manning exposed are in jail? |
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Cid_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:12 AM Response to Reply #47 |
128. Here is a friendly hint... |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #128 |
142. What RPGs? The ones they were firing at the chopper? |
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Cid_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #142 |
144. This one.... |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #144 |
148. No doubt he got a fair trial, along with others, before being executed. |
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Cid_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #148 |
192. That.... |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 07:16 PM Response to Reply #192 |
199. Amazing is a mind that considers the murders of civilians justifiable. |
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Cid_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 07:20 PM Response to Reply #199 |
201. No really.... |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 07:35 PM Response to Reply #201 |
213. Where is the rest of the armed gang? |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
48. The difference between Manning and the law breakers on Wall Street |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:29 PM Response to Reply #48 |
57. Bingo. |
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hardcover (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
68. I am with Obama on this one. It's not like there is any doubt about Manning's guilt. |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:24 PM Response to Reply #68 |
79. Same thing was said about Ellsburg's release of the Pentagon |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:38 PM Response to Reply #68 |
83. Would you say that if you were in a jury pool? Just wondering. eom. |
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hardcover (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:53 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. yes I would. |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:53 AM Response to Reply #84 |
102. I guess you'd be dismissed, then. .. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 04:48 AM Response to Reply #84 |
115. You should never, ever be on a jury. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 05:18 PM Response to Reply #84 |
182. Get yourself a book on how our country is supposed to work. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 10:31 PM Response to Reply #68 |
89. Obama better hope some judge doesn't decide he's vitiated a fair trial. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
69. 'We're a nation of laws'?? He said that with a straight face? |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 10:25 PM Response to Reply #69 |
86. Great point. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 10:47 PM Response to Reply #69 |
92. Btw, there is a new interview with Ethan McCord |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:57 AM Response to Reply #92 |
136. Thank you, I had not seen that ~ n/t |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 10:57 PM Response to Reply #69 |
93. +1. nt |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #69 |
146. +1 |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
70. Honestly I haven't seen a shred of anything that he has done that has ever backed up the assertion |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
73. Silly man. I thought you were for 'looking forward instead of backward'? Oh, I guess |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
81. Look it's not about breaking the law, its about him having his day in court |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
82. "He broke the law". Yeah, well how about Cheney and Co. who broke the law |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
85. GUILTY until proven innocent. It's the new way things are done! |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
91. Obama is the CIC. Manning will face a military trial. Obama's comments thwart judicial due process |
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themadstork (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:38 AM Response to Reply #91 |
97. Thank you. |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:42 AM Response to Reply #97 |
98. "Has already ruled on the case" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:57 AM Response to Reply #98 |
104. Deleted message |
sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #98 |
138. He has exerted undue and very powerful influence on the case. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:06 AM Response to Reply #91 |
126. Obama is the head of the executive branch |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:40 AM Response to Reply #126 |
133. He's also the CIC. Making him Manning's boss as well. I don't think it's unreasonable |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:37 PM Response to Reply #133 |
234. Don't think you'll ever stop Presidents from speaking their opinions |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:07 AM Response to Reply #234 |
247. So there are no legal or judicial restraints on his authority to taint a potential jury pool? |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
94. FDL on Wire Mag vs. Greenwald notwithstanding, Manning admitted to it. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:49 AM Response to Reply #94 |
100. Unless Obama is going to dispense with the trial |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:54 AM Response to Reply #100 |
103. Gee.. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:51 AM Response to Original message |
101. Guilty to proven innocent, nice one. |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:08 AM Response to Original message |
105. "We don’t let individuals make their own decisions about how the laws operate" |
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TheCanadianLiberal (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:25 AM Response to Original message |
107. He broke the law, give him a trial and ship him off to jail. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:28 AM Response to Reply #107 |
108. He is a tractor. He is not a truck. There is a series of tubes. Do you know how long it takes to |
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TheCanadianLiberal (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:31 AM Response to Reply #108 |
109. I own a tractor... |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:19 AM Response to Reply #109 |
110. A very nice and speedy edit |
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Umbral (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:51 AM Response to Original message |
111. "...I’d be breaking the law." Yeah, but if the next administration refuses to prosecute, so what? nt |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:04 AM Response to Original message |
124. The following claim by Obama is total bull shit. |
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swishyfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 10:18 AM Response to Reply #124 |
131. I think you're losing it here |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 03:19 PM Response to Reply #131 |
163. You are grasping at straws there. It was hypothetical only in the sense that perhaps hasn't done it |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:34 PM Response to Reply #163 |
231. The President has the authority and power to declassify any secret documents. End of story. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #124 |
135. Not only that, but this is the president who said he would protect |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:56 PM Response to Reply #124 |
246. Yea but if he didn't sign the paperwork first, he'd still be breaking the law |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
125. Yes we are a nation of laws |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
130. Deleted message |
glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
132. A Nation of "select" laws apparently. |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
139. What would you do if you were President? |
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Casandia (181 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 04:49 PM Response to Reply #139 |
176. Thank you |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 05:14 PM Response to Reply #176 |
177. This entire event is so wrong in so many ways. Tragic. nt |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #139 |
180. Very thoughtful outlay of what many of us feel about what we "thought" were American Ideals... |
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Poboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
143. R'd |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
159. More of the same. The Rulers live by different Rules than the Ruled live by. REC. |
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on point (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
170. So a nation of laws should prosecute Bush et al for torture and war crimes |
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Marnie (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
173. Fighting undeclared wars is unconstitutional also too. |
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Moondog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
175. This is not the first time I have wondered whether Obama actually attended law school. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 05:20 PM Response to Reply #175 |
184. The lawyers that excused torture for george also went to law school. |
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nomb (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 08:26 PM Response to Reply #184 |
221. "Lawyer's job not to tell me what I can or cannot do, job isto tell me how to do what I want to do." |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:30 PM Response to Reply #221 |
227. Yep. So Obama went to law school. So did thomas and scalia. |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
179. we're a nation of laws. how quaint. |
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Zax2me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
183. I don't expect this is the last from President Obama we will hear |
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trud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
185. Are you still under the impression that Obama gives a flying leap about the Constitution? n/t |
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MrMickeysMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
187. What a SMART way to avoid this subject... |
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