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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 05:49 PM
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Attack on RPGs by Focus on the Family:
Attack on RPGs by Focus on the Family:

On 1997-APR-7 and 8, the Adventures in Odyssey program of Focus on the Family broadcast two episodes which attacked what they call "role-playing Fantasy Games" . 12 Odyssey is a radio play about pre-teens and teens in an American town. In both episodes, Dr. James Dobson presented a short talk directed to the children and youth listening to the program and their parents. He attacked RPGs, because he feels that its players actually become the pretend characters that they have selected. To play the game properly, he said that the players need to practice magic and mysticism. His choice of the terms "magic" and "mysticism" is unfortunate, because both words have multiple, conflicting meanings. In the APR-7 episode, he said that some gamers have reported involvement with demons and Satan worship.

In the radio play, "Jimmy" is visited by a RPG playing cousin, "Len". Len's character in the game is known as "Luther the Magician." The latter introduces Jimmy to a game called Castles and Cauldrons"; he gives Jimmy's character the name of "John Dell, the Apprentice." They play the game together. A battle is fought with some evil enemies; both experience auditory hallucinations in which their plastic swords sound like real weapons. Some of the misconceptions mentioned in the play were:

* the gamers actually become the pretend characters, and engage in battles and other adventures. In reality, the gamers remain quite human and simply direct the character that they have chosen to go through the adventure.

* the gamers are described as kneeling and reciting an incantation. Actually, the gamers would typically remain sitting and simply say that their characters are kneeling and engaged in a ritual; no incantation would actually be spoken.

* if the gamer proves themselves worthy then they are supposed to accumulate special powers. This is incorrect. In reality, it is the character that the gamer has selected who may accumulate or lose imaginary powers during the course of a game.

* Len described how one of his gamer friends is able to have visions. He can see things far away through the eyes of a flying bird. Again, in reality, it is the gamer's imaginary character that might be said to have visions, not the gamer. And in reality, the character sees no visions; the character is not alive; it is merely a symbol fantasized by the gamers as if it were real and seeing visions.

* Len says that he has the power to read Jimmy's heart and implies that he received this special power during his gaming. This again is nonsense; players do not accumulate special powers; it is the player's pretend character that may accumulate or lose pretend powers.

* The game is linked with manipulative black magick throughout the episode. Whit, a store owner, became overcome with feelings of dread and dropped a glass. He felt something oppressing his spirit. A cat became influenced (presumably by Len) to tear the arms off of a doll. A roast in the oven started to smoke. The implications are that the game playing is linked closely to black magic, and that one result of the game is to harm other people elsewhere in the town.

* The games are described as involving evil, spiritual forces. Playing these games is said to "open doors" that "lets loose" demonic forces into people's lives. Again, gamers do not participate in evil sorcery, recite incantations, curse other people, etc. The Christian Scriptures contain many references to demons; they were very much a part of 1st Century CE belief, and were considered to be the source of many mental illnesses. But most people stopped believing in demons with the rise of modern mental health therapies. Demons are today mostly limited to Hollywood horror movies and the mental health belief systems of some conservative Christians.

* Len explains that some adults become "Interferers" and attempt to stop young people from playing the games. He explained how they drove-off one such woman through the use of magic. Again, gamers do not engage in black magic or spells to dominate, manipulate, or control others.

* At one point, Len tried to draw blood from Jimmy. Gamers don't draw blood. Their pretend characters might be imagined to draw pretend blood, but that is all.

"Whit" Whittaker, the owner of a local store comes across Len and Jimmy playing their game. He immediately destroys one of the tools of the game, called The Board of Talisman. Later, Whit casually mentions that he has stolen and destroyed all of Jimmies' gaming equipment. The implication is that a Christian is well within his rights to destroy another person's possessions if he feels that they are unchristian.

The overall effect of the Adventures in Odyssey program is:

* to give a very distorted view of fantasy role-playing games,
* to link them with "The Occult", black magick, evil sorcery and demonic activity.
* to imply that it is quite acceptable for Christians to destroy other people's possessions if they disapprove of them.

If the program had simply been presented as a play, then it would have been an amusing piece of fiction - something like the "X-Files" or "Outer Limits" for kids. But the introduction by Dr. Dobson seems to imply that the activities described in the episode reflect the reality of role-playing games. They do not. The producers of the program are either completely misinformed, or intentionally deceptive about the nature of these games. The radio program promoted an hopelessly inaccurate version of fantasy role-playing games in which the players become involved with demons, Satanic worship, spells, curses, evil sorcery etc. The end result of the program is to create fear and insecurity in the minds of listeners in order to scare them away from playing this type of game.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/d_a_d2.htm

A history teacher of mine (he ran the Christian club, which I was in as well as the chess club) in HS invited a bunch of students to his farm to spend the weekend camping. Me and several other kids (mainly from the chess club) went, and while camping out there he found us playing D&D and threw all of my books into the fire telling us it was the devil's work.

When my dad went to the school to complain he told him that me and the other kids broke his microwave and the cost of the books balanced out (we didn't break his microwave, wish now I had though). He proceeded to tell my dad all kinds of BS about the game and that he was saving me from going loco or something.

That was back in 1982 - if someone did that to my kid I would sue them silly (after swinging an axe at them and rolling a D20 to see if I hit them... :rofl: )

So if you are out there Mr. Drummond - fuck you :)
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 05:54 PM
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1. OH please! Every fucked up in the head religous wacko plays a
RPG called Organized Religion (10d10 roll for type)! What a pathetic joke of a human Dobson and cohorts are! I hope there really is the Hell they so lust after, because there is no doubt Dobson and his kind will end up there.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 05:54 PM
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2. They're ripping off Chick Tracts now?
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 06:14 PM
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9. Wow, that is one long tract!
I wonder what fucking universe the chick people live in, because it is OBVIOUSLY not mine or anyones I know! The DM was a witch!?!?! Really!? Of the decades I've played D&D and gone to tournements (way back in the day kids) in Houston NOT ONCE that I recall EVER having a DM that was a witch or a wickn!!! :rofl:

Evidently some sheep of God are lost in the woods (le 10HD 6D10Dam) of make believe Earth! :wtf:
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 06:30 PM
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12. Oh yeah, they're epic!
Many morning when I am walking to work, I find them nestled in little nooks on streetlights on the sidewalk. They're like little comic books.

This particular one has always stuck with me, because I saw a theater troupe act it out onstage once :evilgrin:
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toddaa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 07:35 PM
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22. Still pissed about throwing out my Chick collection
Overzealous basement cleaning and they got pitched. Had about 30 of them. I rarely come across them anymore.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 05:55 PM
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3. I've always loved that site. (nt)
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bikebloke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 05:56 PM
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4. Rocket Propelled Grenades?
:P
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 06:01 PM
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5. wow, what a coincidence,
the Catholic radio show was on the exact same topic this morning.

Looks like the wingnut talking points were followed today to a tee.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 06:04 PM
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6. Oh jeez, the hysterical "D&D is SATAN" brigade is back?
:banghead:
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 07:45 PM
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23. I thought they went away...
when I stopped playing (I do miss it). Oh well, I guess spinning "Stairway to Heaven" backwards gets too boring for these folks, so they have to re-visit RPG's.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 06:07 PM
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7. i'd like to use an RPGs on Focus on the Family
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 07:18 PM
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18. I'll second that!
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 07:22 PM
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21. and the Seven Hundred Club
:)
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Inchworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 06:09 PM
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8. Reminds me of nephew's Christmas present a few years back - Harry Potter book
His family actually took him and the book outside then burnt it spewing the same BS.

Umm, I talk to those folks as little as possible since.

:nuke:
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 07:03 PM
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16. I gave my hyper Catholic nephew this series:



After he read them, his brother picked them
up and read and personally called and thanked me for
them.

Their mother still doesn't realize how subversive
they are held to be.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 06:14 PM
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10. Really, well have a look at "Heaven" the Christian RPG/Adventure Game.
Edited on Thu Dec-30-10 06:15 PM by walldude
Yes Christians have a new Adventure/RPG game called Heaven. Being a gamer I figured I've played everywhere else might as well try Heaven.

So the game starts with you as an Astronaut in a crashing spaceship. Angels fly in and carry your ship to "Paradise Island" where you will meet your guide who will help you traverse the areas and puzzles that will lead you to meet Jesus at the Pearly Gates. (I guess St Peter is on lunch).

So my ship lands and I hear the ethereal voice of my guide: "Hello Joshua, do you remember me I am your Grandmother".

I look up and there is Grandma, in all her glory. Maybe 25 years old, blonde, an ample Lara Croft style body, (re:big rack) stuffed into a pair of white spandex skintight pants, a white leather and lace corset and knee high "fuck me" boots with 6 inch platform heels. Not to mention the million dollar diamond earrings and diamond choker.

So apparently Heaven for Grandma was being a high priced Vegas call girl. That was as far into the game as I could get without hurting myself from laughing so much.


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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 06:20 PM
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11. Is this currently being broadcast by FOTF?
I am a strong believer in the benefits of games in general including RPG's which I sold for 18 years when I ran a game retail store, but the 1997 reference seems a bit dated to me.

If there is something currently going on let me know and I will pass it along to my friends who continue in the game business. They can have their industry trade association monitor whatever it is and deal with it. They do have a group within the association that works on just this sort of thing.

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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 06:51 PM
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13. You can have my +1 mace for protection if you want
but you have to clean it off when you return it AHAHAHA!!! :rofl:
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Ramulux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 06:58 PM
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14. Fuck that shit
These motherfuckers basically seem to be against anything that isn't preaching Christianity. The Christians hate RPG's because so many of them have to do with spirituality and philosophy and are extremely intellectual, all of which are things Christians fear.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 07:01 PM
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15. Watch it, Dodson. Or, I'll sick a level 12 Mindflayer on your ass. n/t
J
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 07:15 PM
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17. are they still nattering over D&D?
:eyes:

ffs, these idiots need a new hobby.....

dg
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 07:20 PM
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19. Because THEY want to be the only RPG in town.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 07:21 PM
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20. Well Rocket-Propelled Grenades might pose some problems...
:shrug:
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 08:49 PM
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24. Wait, people get special powers when they play D&D?
Why wasn't I told about that? Mystical powers, please.
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Akoto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 08:52 PM
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25. This is some silly crap.
Edited on Thu Dec-30-10 08:53 PM by Akoto
I have been playing D&D since I was a little kid. I even bought the Pathfinder core rulebook just today, at age 26 ... and where the Hell has Satan been? Where are my evil powers?!
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 08:58 PM
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26. Gee, I never had audio hallucinations or any other kind of hallucination playing D&D
My character was a thief aligned chaotic good. When confronted by a troll at a bridge demanding an outrageous toll, I'd write him a rubber check.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 09:05 PM
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27. Yet they fail to play up "The Gay" angle in these RPGs... FAIL.
Oh, Fecal On the Fambily, you have failed, miserably.
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exboyfil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 06:38 AM
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28. RPGed in High School and a little in college
Like everything else can be taken to the extreme, but, in general, builds up some useful skills and can be a good source of friendly socialization. How anyone can think it has anything to do with magic is beyond me. I got into it a little with some folks from my church in High School. Biggest complaint I have about it is the time sink aspect of it. I think once my kids are grown and I don't have my additional work/education commitments, I might pick it back up (probably military board gaming instead since I enjoy that more now).

My daughters do a form of online RPGing (Warrior Cats) in which they develop their own stories for their characters. It is actually quite a useful activity teaching them typing skills and improving their writing. My youngest is an amazing writer, and I credit her exposure to this RPGing for some of that skill. They actually write out their stories using proper English and spelling (no quick texting). Very useful skills.

I have to wonder if the fundies would find Traveller (the Science Fiction RPG game I played in High School) more acceptable since it does not have the magic element to it.

I find the idea of a Christian RPG unsettling. The whole point of RPG is the fantasy/imagination aspect of the game. If you truly believe in your religion, playing an RPG seems to be getting way too close to home. Now playing your RPG character like a Christian - that is an interesting concept, but I suspect you would quickly die under those circumstances.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 06:16 PM
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29. There's a few of that type that work
I hadn't gamed in it, but a few of my friends were into In Nomine for awhile and as far as a religiously-based RPG setting, it was really interesting (and definitely preserved the fantasy aspect).

The fundies probably wouldn't care much for Traveller; I never got the impression that was a system that was particularly tolerant of wilful ignorance. ;)
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