Was it a good thing when Valerie Plame was outed?

[fried eggs]

Freedom of information and all that good stuff? :shrug:

[sakabatou]

1. Fuck no.

And the people who outed her should have been prosecuted.

[fried eggs]

6. That's my opinion as well... and that's also why I support Manning

being prosecuted.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

7. I'm not following your reasoning.

Could you clarify?

[fried eggs]

11. It appears that people are praising Manning for doing the same thing

That Cheney and Scooter Libby did. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[me b zola]

15. "The same thing" eh? Lets take a looksie

A CIA operative's identity was released to the press in retaliation for her husband telling the truth to the public that he had personal knowledge that this country was intentionally being lied into an illegal war.

A soldier with knowledge and proof of a war crime is accused of being a whisleblower, releasing the truth so that people will know what was being done in our names.

Funny, there are similarities to the stories, except exactly the opposite of what you are peddling. Both Wilson/Plame and Manning were whistleblowers, and both are being abused by the war machine.

[Snoutport]

16. good points

[coalition_unwilling]

58. Small historical point but Joe Wilson's op-ed piece in the 'NYTimes' did

not come out until well after we had been lied into the illegal war. In other words, we had already been lied into the illegal war at the time Wilson published his op-ed piece.

Now if only Wilson had written and published his op-ed piece before March 20, 2003 . . . Not saying he could have but, if he had, then history might have changed dramatically and 1,000,000+ Iraqis might still be alive.

[Aerows]

75. To be honest

I don't think that was the only reason Valerie Plame was outed, I think that was just a little bit of the reason. Plame was a nuclear anti-proliferation expert, and that's what the Brewster-Jennings operation did.

Remember those 6 nukes that "went missing" from one airbase, and then ended up sitting on the runway of another for several hours until sharp-eyes service personnel noticed them, and reported it to the Army Times AND authorities, but because it had been reported to the papers, it was impossible to keep it hush hush? And that several of the airman from the base they originated from died a few weeks afterwards under circumstances like motorcycle accidents, suicides, etc?

Personally, I think there was a little more than just retaliation going on. Nuclear weapons DO NOT get loaded onto planes, then fly to other bases by accident. If service personnel can note that they are nuclear weapons (because they are labeled in a specific manner) when they are attached to the plane, the people attaching them certainly knew.

Once that happened, they did a complete shutdown and inspection of ALL bases. I think that wasn't intended to be caught, and once it was, it scared the shit out of some of the brass who WEREN'T aware of it, and they put a stop to it.

Remember all of the dirty-bomb scare talk? In short, they removed a person and an operation in a position to know about anti-proliferation, a person that they knew probably wouldn't go along with them politically to cover things up, because they had some plans to do some proliferating of their own.

[coalition_unwilling]

78. I do remember the incident but fail to see what role Plame's

outing (or lack thereof) would have had to do with it.

Not saying your theory isn't true, simply that I prefer Occam's Razor (simplest explanation is usually the best expalantion"):

To wit:

Wilson publishes op-ed piece deomolishing one lynch pin of Bush admin's case for war in Iraq (yellow cake from Niger attempted to be or actually procured by Saddam Hussein).

Cheney (either with or without Bush's foreknoweldge) authorizes leak of Plame's CIA work with insinuations that she suggested her spouse Wilson for the trip in order to get him a 'junket' (thereby discrediting substance of what Wilson revealed).

It was a two-fer but not in the way you imply: destroy Wilson and Plame and send a message to any other putative whistle-blowers that the same or similar fate awaits them if they do what Wilson did.

[Aerows]

More info on the "Bent Spear" incident at Minot/Barksdale

http://www.projectcamelot.org/barksdale.html

That link sums up some of the relevant information concerning that entire incident.

And you are right, following Occam's Razor, it discredited both of them.

The only reason I mentioned the further incident, though, is because ALL of these operations were planned far in advance. There are mountains of evidence that they had been meeting since even before the election to invade Iraq. It isn't implausible that they were also planning for the invasion of Iran, and wanted to make certain that they had their ducks in a row to create an incident to spark a conflict there.

You are probably right, but I do find it interesting that Plame's unit was anti-nuke, and there was so much talk of loose nukes, and dirty bombs in the aftermath after she was outed.

BTW - it's worth noting, Blackwater was also present at Minot AFB.

[coalition_unwilling]

81. OK, now I'm intrigued a bit. If I follow your line of thinking, you're

thinking that one of those nukes that went missing might have found its way to the Middle East and somehow been detonated there (maybe in Israel?), such that blame for its detonation could be laid at Iran's feet, thus giving the PNACers a pretext to invade Iran.

The Bush admin was evil enough and Machiavellian enough that I could see it that way for sure. Cheney and\or Rumsfeld assigns the black op of fingering Iran for a nuclear explosion to someone like Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz or one of their minions working in the Office of Special Plans. Actual plan details are outsourced to a Blackwater (NKA 'Xe') who then finds a suitable Iranian patsy like Chalabi, thereby securing plausible deniability for the Executive Branch in case the whole Black Op has to be scrubbed. No Eugene Hassenfus this time around.

It's certainly within the realm of the plausible and maybe they needed Plame out of the way to pull it off.

[Aerows]

87. That was my line of thinking

They knew she wouldn't keep quiet about it, nor would her husband, but you can't just off a whole CIA unit - what you do is blow their cover so that that unit is out of the way and is no longer able to investigate loose nukes. By outing her, they did away with a whole group of experts in it, and an entire experienced operation with contacts, etc.

Getting rid of the entire Brewster-Jennings anti-proliferation operation certainly would have been helpful had that been their plan.

Just a thought, since we know how evil Cheney/Bush were.

[coalition_unwilling]

92. Especially because, IIRC, Brewster-Jennings was especially

tasked with tracking nuclear profliferation in, among other places, Iran. The PNACers had to worry that Plame and her CIA unit would blow their cover story so that they could not use it as a pretext to mount the invasion of Iran they had been lusting after for so many years.

I don't know how you would ever go about proving or disproving this theory. I suppose if Cheney or one of the Junta were to confess to it on his or her death bed you would have some sort of proof.

Back to Occam's Razor (with a dash of Karl Popper thrown in for seasoning): what set of facts could or would disprove this theory? That's my problem in general with most conspiracy theory stuff. There's nothing that can prove or disprove it definitively. Sept 11 is a whole other matter, though, because there you have one sort of conspiracy (of the 19 Al Quaida hijackers run from Afghanistan and Germany) if you believe the official narrative but other types of conspiracies if you doubt the official narrative and lean towards a MIHOP or LIHOP view.

[Aerows]

94. There aren't enough "facts"

or at least "facts" known to the public at large. It's basically idle speculation when it comes down to it. I know bullshit when I hear it, and that story that the missiles were "accidentally" loaded, and then coincidentally a bunch of people at each base involved died within weeks of the incident smells pretty bad. Combined with Brewster-Jennings line of operations, and the time line involved, it's an interesting additional coincidence.

Sometimes, there are FAR too many coincidences for it to just be a "coincidence". Even the military has a saying - Once is a coincidence, two is chance, three times is enemy action.

As far as Sept. 11, I don't know *what* happened, but the official narrative has more holes than a doughnut factory. I have my suspicions, but I'll keep those to myself. I don't think ANY rational person could look at the official narrative and say "Yes, I believe it 100%."

[coalition_unwilling]

95. Totally agree with you about lack of 'facts'. I would love to know

who bought all those put options on United and American Airlines in the days immediately preceding the 9/11 attacks. Word was out on the street that something big and bad was going down affecting those airlines' stocks, hence the huge upward spike in options activity. Never seen a good explanation of that from the purveyors of the official narrative.

[MH1]

60. Did Manning release the information? I keep being told on DU,

'innocent until proven guilty'.

So, is there no question that he is the one who stole all those embarrassing diplomatic cables and transferred the files to wikileaks?

[me b zola]

79. Lets review what I posted:

"...is accused of being a whisleblower..."

Accused.

Now to address the merits of my argument, and how you ignored them. My entire post was stating that the similarities in the two cases revolve around the fact that both parties appear to be whistle blowers--and the war machine that is/has retaliated against them for exposing the truth. You don't care to speak about that?

[Warren Stupidity]

98. yeah see? just the same.

The bullshit pandered in this OP is fairly vile.

[jmowreader]

109. If he would have stopped with releasing the war crime proof, no problem

This young man made it possible to put thousands of State Department diplomatic cables on the Internet, where they should not be. He did it for the same reason Bill Clinton had Monica Lewinsky suck his dick: because he could.

Proving war crimes were happening in our name: good.
Fucking up US diplomatic efforts for the next twenty years: not good.

[sarge43]

38. When those who outed Plame are arrested for breaking the law,

get back to us.

[david13]

40. Lewis Libby was convicted and sentenced. The fall guy. dc

[sarge43]

41. Thanks for the correction n/t

[Aerows]

66. Didn't serve a day in jail, though

His sentence was commuted.

[sarge43]

80. By Bush? I'm shoc .... nevermind n/t

[david13]

102. Commuted. Yes, but not pardoned. He still has a felony or more

(than one) conviction on his record.
They wouldn't pardon him because then he would be immune from prosecution and would have to testify. With regard to the others ...
They didn't want him to do that.
So they left him holding the bag, and he still holds his ignominious bag, thanks to his ... buddies?
dc

[david13]

103. And further, I do not believe that commutes the fine. He still had

to pay a $250,000.00 fine. But they (those for whom he was henchman) probably did pay that for him.
But no jail time.
dc

[Aerows]

46. And then was pardoned

and didn't serve a day in jail.

[SDuderstadt]

48. He was not...

pardoned.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scooter_Libby

[Aerows]

62. Excuse me

His sentence was commuted, and he didn't serve a day in jail. Better? The fact remains, he didn't serve a day in jail, unlike Bradley Manning, who hasn't even been convicted of anything yet.

[SDuderstadt]

86. People charged with capital offenses...

usually are incarcerated pending trial.

[Aerows]

91. Outing Valerie Plame

and the entire Brewster-Jennings operation was a capital offense, but NO ONE spent a day in jail for it.

[SDuderstadt]

93. Because no one was charged...

duh.

[sabrina 1]

100. Libby was charged and convicted. How much time did he

spend in jail?

[SDuderstadt]

101. Convicted for???

He was indicted on two counts of perjury, two counts of lying to federal investigators and one count of obstruction of justice. He was not charged with outing Valerie Plame.

No one is saying that Bush should have commuted his sentence.

[sabrina 1]

106. He was convicted of preventing the prosecutor

from getting the evidence he needed to convict those who WERE guilty of outing her.

And he was pardoned. He was protecting traitors and the prosecutor knew it.

And how much time did he spend in jail for covering up for treasonous behavior?

[SDuderstadt]

114. He was not pardoned...

(which caused a rift between Bush and Cheney); his sentence was commuted.

I'm not sure what this has to do with Manning.

[sabrina 1]

117. How much time did he spend in jail after being convicted

on several counts, one of which was preventing the prosecutor from being able to catch those who outed Valerie Plame?

What does it have to do with Manning?? Ask the OP who seems to think there is some relationship to what Cheney/Libby et al did to what Manning did. I agree with you. There is no relationship between the two. Plame was outed as political payback for her husband's attempt to stop the illegal invasion of Iraq. Manning was trying to stop the war crimes being committed in that same war. No comparison whatsoever.

[sabrina 1]

59. Manning did NOT do the same thing. He revealed war crimes

and those crimes were policy put in place by the same criminals who outed Valerie Plame.

She was outed by the war criminals as payback because her husband tried to stop their war by revealing the lies they were telling.

Same criminals in both cases were responsible for both crimes.

[sabrina 1]

57. Plame was not committing any crimes.

She was outed for political reasons by the same warmongers whose criminal policies were then exposed by Manning for the war crimes being committed which they were responsible for.

There is simply no comparison although I see how hard people are working to make one.

[Aerows]

67. She was in service to the US!

She was outed to embarrass her husband, and the lives of everyone involved with the Brewster-Jennings operation were put in danger.

Libby served no jail time. Manning has been in jail for months, and hasn't even been convicted. Those who exposed Plame committed treason. As far as Manning is concerned, there is no conviction yet that he has done anything, and last I checked, we were innocent until proven guilty in this country.

[coalition_unwilling]

71. Manning hasn't even been tried yet, altho that inconvenient fact hasn't stopped

many at DU from unequivocally proclaiming Manning's 'guilt.' So much for the 'presumption of innocnence.'

[phleshdef]

85. I'm sure you gave Scooter Libby and other Bush admin officials the same benefit of the doubt.

[fishwax]

120. I don't see them as particularly similar n/t

[FarPoint]

8. The question in its self is flamebait.

Outing a deep cover agent...one of 100 elite agents at that is high treason. Don't get me started.

[quiller4]

51. Agreed. n/t

[Paradoxical]

2. Interesting question. The way she was outed was bad.

The philosophy of transparency in government kind of demands such a thing.

[blondeatlast]

3. No.

Bless your dear little heart.

[Kurovski]

28. LOL

:D

[CaliforniaPeggy]

4. Absolutely not.

She was doing important work, and it required secrecy.

Her cover was blown and it also endangered some of the folks she was talking to, if I recall correctly.

[Rhiannon12866]

5. If you haven't seen "Fair Game," you should.

Except for the absence of Dick Cheney, it was pretty accurate. :(

[Kurovski]

29. The Easter bunny looks...different somehow.

[OHdem10]

9. Absolutely NOT. iIn reality it was criminal, but enough levers

of power were pulled to white wash it.

[alp227]

10. if you're comparing the Plame thing with the Bradley Manning case,

then I say apples and carrots.

Robert Novak outed the top-secret identity of an agent gathering important intelligence including some that undermined Bush's case for the Iraq War. Bradley Manning exposed criminal activity by the military (that July 2007 Baghdad airstrike).

[fried eggs]

12. Couldn't he have gone to a congressman or senator?

Why go to a guy in a foreign country? Also, he didn't discriminate in which information he released. He just dumped everything he could get his hands on. I'm sure some officers identities were compromised in the process.

[EFerrari]

18. There was no "dump". Wikileaks worked hard with

a group of major newspapers to screen the material. Get your facts straight.

[TorchTheWitch]

36. the "dump" being referred to is giving all the stolen info to Wikileaks

who had no legal right to have it or do anything with it. How is that different than a person engaging in espionage (spying) stealing a shit load of classified documents and giving them to a foreign entity to do with what they will? Oh... that's exactly what it was. Yes, I know you and most others here like to believe Manning is a whistleblower and what he did has nothing at all to do with espionage. Yet, in actuality he is not a whistleblower since the far greater majority of what he stole and handed over did not contain information that was criminal or otherwise illegal, and he did not follow the requisite channels required of whistleblowers to expose the stolen information. In order to be considered a whistleblower, one most ONLY take that information that exposes criminal or otherwise illegal activity and go through specific channels in order to expose the information. See the Military Whistleblower Protection Act.

What Manning did engage in was not whistleblowing but espionage... http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000798----000-.html

Get your facts straight.

[EFerrari]

47. There was no document dump. n/t

[TorchTheWitch]

50. I believe you may be having a reading comprehension problem

I will attempt to spell it out for you very specifically... The "document dump" being referred to in post #12 (specifically - "He {ie: Manning} just dumped everything he could get his hands on.") to which you replied was referring to Manning dumping all the documents on Wikileaks, not the ultra slow dribble coming out in the press.

I notice you also didn't respond to anything else in my post... interesting.

[EFerrari]

74. No, my reading is just fine.

And I have no interest in getting caught up in your school of red herring but thanks anyway.

[Garbo 2004]

110. so release of Pentagon Papers was "espionage?" nt

[tekisui]

77. How are you sure?

He didn't give it to a guy in a foreign country. He gave it to a journalism organization that protects whistle-blowers and vets the information before being leaked to prevent putting anyone in harms way.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

42. as well as a ton of other information that had NOTHING to do with war crimes or illegal activities

He might be a hero for releasing criminal activity by the military, but he is also a criminal for releasing a lot of the non-criminal information that was classified(in my opinion).

[donheld]

13. are you crazy?

[upi402]

14. like looking thru a window

begging the Braddley Manning question...

Apples to oranges, however.

[Cleita]

17. A lot of people died because of it.

Also, we have lost the trust of those people who might have helped us, but won't now.

[Mojeoux]

19. Who Died Because of Manning's Whistleblowing??????

Names, countries, who? Name them. Also Who might have helped us?
Can you cite ANY links for your information.

[Cleita]

68. I thought we were talking about Valerie Plame being

exposed. Did you not see the movie or for that fact read anything at DU at the time Bob Novak outed her as a CIA operative? There are hundreds of posts with links in the DU archives if you are so interested. Don't make me do your homework for you.

Nobody died because of Manning, except maybe Julian Assange will become a victim because they are trying to get him tried and executed for treason. There are also dozens of posts with links on the Manning affair. Get to work!

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[krispos42]

22. It didn't result in impeachment, or trial by jury for treason of Bush and Cheney.

So, no.


Having Bush and Cheney, and maybe a couple of other high-ranking traitors, convicted and executed for treason would have at least made the damage to the US intelligence worthwhile.

*sigh*


Of course, President Denny Hastert would have pardoned them anyway.

[Prof Lester]

24. Outing Plame DID result in many deaths!

Yet the Pugs responsible weren't even examined by the Justice Dept. That fat bastard Cheezy should have his fat bare ass in a dank cell in Leavenworth then. Him and Libby and the rest. They should be waterboarding them rats to make 'em tell who else was in on it. Fair is fair, right?:evilgrin:

[krispos42]

34. Well, the danger to the US from the leak was obviously clear, present, and imminant..

...so yeah, Fitzpatrick should have whipped out the washrag and the garden hose!

[JDPriestly]

23. No. The outing of Valerie Plame was not good.

But the people who did it have never been placed in Quantico or jailed anywhere else or even called to accounts.

That someone publishes state secrets for reasons of conscience might, it seems to me, cause a judge to mitigate their sentence.

But for someone to publish state secrets as a sort of act of revenge or to scare others who might do it out of conscience is pretty despicable.

When it comes to Manning, I don't know for sure what the evidence is against him. Seems to me that the level of secrecy in the information to which he is alleged to have had access was not as great as that of Plame. Further, the claim is that he published the secrets not for political or financial gain but because of his conscience. If he really did publish the secrets, it is still a criminal act, but I should hope that a court would consider what his motivations were in sentencing. As I said, I do not know for sure what the evidence is against him. I don't know how the logs discussed in Wired were created, how explicit they were, and I don't know all the details. I don't even know for sure whether it can be proved that Manning publicized the secret material or why. We shall have to see what happens.

[kas125]

25. Sickening, just sickening. There is no comparison between

outing a CIA agent to punish her husband for telling the truth and a soldier who exposed war crimes. You should be ashamed of yourself!

[Bodhi BloodWave]

43. what of the release of all the classified non-warcrimes information? nt

[kas125]

53. All the secrets that shouldn't have been kept from us in

the first place, you mean? I'm glad they were released, too.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

84. and why exactly should none of the information have been kept classified?

are you telling me there is no reason for any info to be classified?

[Mnemosyne]

26. Plame tracked WMD's. Do you seriesly need to ask this question? UnR. n/t

[Loudmxr]

27. No. She was outed but so was Brewster Jennings. That is the most egregious sin.

Brewster Jennings is not a who but a what. This was the "company" she worked for. It was a fake company set up by the CIA. Anyone connected with the company was compromised.

I am of the age where I will never know the blow back from this. I will be dead before this country knows how serious this was.

Unless.... we have a courageous Congress or President. :shrug:

[howard112211]

30. Unrecced for implied false equivalency.

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[blondeatlast]

45. +1. nt

[mmonk]

31. Actually, I think outing the administration's lies to war should have occurred.

Afterall, that is why she was outed. Because Joe outed their lies to war. America accepted a dictatorship in the presidency of George W. Bush and that dictatorship model executive branch has not ended. They are above the rule of law.

[CJCRANE]

32. Valerie Plame and Brewster Jennings were tracking WMD

in Iran and other hotspots.

So the fact that they were outed was obviously a good thing for Ahmedinajad and the Iranian regime.

On the other hand AFAIK the material released by Wikileaks wasn't operational material, it was mostly diplomatic opinions and political assessments/conversations.

[SoCalDem]

33. In retrospect. it accomplished nothing much

except for ruining her career.

Bush & Cheney are not locked up, and the justice system once again proved itself to be a toothless tiger

[CJCRANE]

52. What about Brewster Jennings and all their assets and contacts?

I wonder if the consequences were a little bigger than just Plame's career.

[Freddie Stubbs]

35. No, because it wasn't Bradely Manning who did it

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[City Lights]

39. FAIL!

:thumbsdown:

Unrec.

[nomb]

49. Wasn't Plame outed by those opposed to military action?

I thought I read exactly that recently either in the NYT's or by a NYT's journalist.

[xchrom]

54. um - no. nt

[sabrina 1]

56. No, she wasn't . She was outed by warmongers

who wanted to punish her husband for trying to stop the Iraq War because it was based on lies, which he exposed.

[blondeatlast]

99. He's referring to Judith Miller--that speaks volumes, doncha think? nt

[blondeatlast]

69. Ridiculous. Do you have a legitimate press link for that? nt

[nomb]

82. Probably not, it was just a recollection, but I think this was it from Dec. 2010

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/t/judith-miller-blasts-the-_12934831851708416.html

[blondeatlast]

89. Judith Miller? do try to catch up, you're holding the class back. nt

[nomb]

113. OK so I'm wrong. Next time I'll Google before drawing from memory... :)

n/t

[blondeatlast]

90. BTW, dead link. nt

[sabrina 1]

55. Was she committing any crimes?

As far as I know, she was not.

What Manning exposed were War Crimes.

Big difference.

[Malikshah]

61. No. Thank you for playing

"Do I have a braincell to spare?"

Your parting gifts include:
-- a dose of common sense
-- two separate bags of apples and oranges
-- a pint of the milk of human kindness*
-- your own specially made spoon to mix it all together into a frothy blend**


*can be used to put out flames

**spoon may also be used to stir shit; you may already be aware of its use

[JVS]

63. Well, nobody has been prosecuted for it.

[Blue-Jay]

111. False.

Nobody was jailed for it.

[proud2BlibKansan]

64. People died

What a horrible question.

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[Aerows]

70. Two different situations

1. Plame was undercover, and her exposure threatened the lives of all of those involved in the anti-proliferation operation, at a time when it was reasonable to assume that we NEEDED protection from nuclear weapons. There were political motivations for her outing, but considering the "disappearing nukes" that ended up on the runway a few years later and were only caught by sharp-eyed service personnel, it tends to make one wonder if there wasn't also a practical reason for her removal, since nuclear proliferation was her specialty.

2. Bradley Manning hasn't been convicted of anything yet. I thought we were innocent until proven guilty in the US? He's been in jail for months. Scooter Libby did not serve a single day in jail.

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[Electric Monk]

73. It comforts me to think of Karl Rove stripped naked in solitary confinement for what he did.

Oh wait, never mind, that's the way it should be, not the way it is.

[tekisui]

76. Cheney =/= Manning.

Outing of a covert agent =/= exposing war crimes.

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[L0oniX]

88. It was as good as ...the deaths of those Iraqi scientists who expected to escape to the US.

Because of the criminal scum bags leaks innocent people died ...imo they are guilty of murder.

[lunatica]

96. False analogy

Manning and Assange haven't put any lives in danger nor have they disclosed any State secrets. And your implied defense of Rove and Cheney's right of "freedom of information and all that good stuff" is pretty sad.

[YvonneCa]

97. It was a despicable...

...thing. Are you kidding?

[Quantess]

104. Ooh! I got my message deleted.

In response to this OP, you know it had to have been good.
I meant every word. :hi:

[david13]

105. No. It damn near ruined her life. dc

[Bluebear]

107. Agenda much?

[Garbo 2004]

112. But it's such a cute little newbie egg. ;) nt

[MrMickeysMom]

108. sigh... You gotta ASK

I'll go with the first response to your OP... FUCK, NO.

[treestar]

115. No, because she was undercover

as a CIA agent; Cheney outed her because he did not like the conclusions she presented.

Manning released classified information, which is against the law. Or is being charged with it.

Cheney is the one who may have broken the law in the Plame case, so he's the equivalent of Manning.

[crazyjoe]

116. Armitage outed valerie plame. he admitted it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/09/07/eveningnews/main1981433.shtml

[Supply Side Jesus]

118. .

:silly: :wtf: :freak: :dunce: :thumbsdown:

[fried eggs]

119. Didn't expect such a huge response

I'm sorry to those I may have offended. Yet I still can't help but see both cases as the leaking of classified information. In both cases, lives were put at risk, even though the motivation might have been different.