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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 08:10 PM Original message |
The middle/lower classes say "tax the rich!". The rich say "cut services!" |
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Skink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
1. the poor realize the rich profit more when there are good roads and schools. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 08:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Tell that to Carlos Slim. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 12:46 AM Response to Reply #2 |
109. wtf does carlos slim have to do with anything? he's a mexican national. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
3. Sad thing is the rich can afford services, yet if they didn't get a cut |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 08:41 PM Response to Reply #3 |
19. to support your point, the rich use our commons more |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 11:17 PM Response to Reply #19 |
80. The very wealthy have a far higher stake invested in America then your average |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
4. actually its more like, "Pay your fair share..." |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 08:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. If 47% don't pay Federal income taxes are they paying their fair share? |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 08:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Yes, because the United States is comprised of States |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 08:30 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Are you talking about the wealthy who move their money to offshore tax havens? |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 08:32 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Forget the BULLSHIT - Middle Class pays the biggest share of Taxes |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 09:37 PM Response to Reply #12 |
29. We pay the biggest share of social security taxes. Not federal income taxes. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 12:49 AM Response to Reply #29 |
111. no, they don't. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 08:35 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Federal Income tax vs total taxation. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 08:37 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. 47% of who? The Wealthy? |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 09:39 PM Response to Reply #16 |
32. Per the AP |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 09:51 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. the rich SHOULD pay more, they make more off the people in this country |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:52 PM Response to Reply #39 |
75. Hey I am in full support of the rich paying their fair share, especially |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 09:37 PM Response to Reply #7 |
30. Then argue for higher wages |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 11:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
81. Bullshit. EVERYBODY pays. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 11:32 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. I swear even when I made a minimum wage I still paid taxes. It's the credits that are the biggie. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
5. The poor can't afford to pay, the rich can. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 08:25 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. At what point do you stop being poor and can afford to pay? |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 08:33 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. What's your point? What's your "limit"? nt |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 08:38 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Ask him what he means by civicminded. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 08:42 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Maybe if it were spelled right. It probably means "Vote Republican". nt |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 09:33 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. Civic minded...wanting to contribute something to your country. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 09:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
45. Do you have ANY conception of how the working poor struggle daily? |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:07 PM Response to Reply #45 |
56. Are most people here considered working poor? |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:17 PM Response to Reply #56 |
67. answer the question above... |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:35 PM Response to Reply #56 |
73. Thanks for clearing up how you view the world. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 11:46 PM Response to Reply #73 |
86. Well am I being cynical thinking that people are using the poor to defend not wanting to pay taxes? |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 11:52 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. Who is using the poor to defend not wanting to pay taxes? |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 11:56 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Okay follow me here... |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 12:20 AM Response to Reply #92 |
100. Yes, because they themselves are not poor or downtrodden. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 12:40 AM Response to Reply #100 |
106. I guess because I didn't think every single one of those who are raising heck about |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 12:47 AM Response to Reply #106 |
110. Well I read that persons post and I am right alongside them in being |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 04:36 AM Response to Reply #110 |
114. I'm glad you are concerned enough to pay a little more. |
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rapturedbyrobots (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 01:11 AM Response to Reply #56 |
113. college educated middle class types? |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 05:14 AM Response to Reply #113 |
115. Well I would hope having a ph.d gets you out of the poor category. |
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rapturedbyrobots (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 10:00 AM Response to Reply #115 |
123. well, you would be wrong |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 11:04 PM Response to Reply #45 |
77. Well I did grow up on one state worker's salary. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:34 PM Response to Reply #27 |
72. What do you say to military enlisted on foodstamps? |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 11:42 PM Response to Reply #72 |
84. Anyone on foodstamps ought not to be paying taxes. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 11:50 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. But they do and they pay just as much for food and gas as the wealthy |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 11:53 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. I agree. I don't know how you can expect people to risk their lives for a wage that won't even feed |
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Skink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 11:38 PM Response to Reply #9 |
83. 20,000 |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 11:58 PM Response to Reply #83 |
93. I would go for that. |
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rfranklin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
6. Want to collect more tax revenue...raise salaries.... |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
11. NOT AT All the SAME |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 09:57 PM Response to Reply #11 |
44. Well I think that is how it should be. |
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Caretha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 08:26 AM Response to Reply #44 |
121. There are all sorts of ways |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
14. So-called "services" - police, fire protection, education, infrastructure, Social Security |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
21. The real problem is, the rich con half the middle classes into taking their side AGAINST the poor |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 08:51 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. They set up a news network to work against the common good |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 09:24 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. But why don't more people want to contribute toward the common good? |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 11:08 PM Response to Reply #24 |
78. Got me, I've been a soldier and a teacher for the common good. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 12:06 AM Response to Reply #78 |
94. But above a certain level of basic necessities, don't we all need to look at paying for |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 12:44 AM Response to Reply #94 |
108. No, what we need to do is make the rich pay for making the govt colossal |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
23. I say fuck the rich. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 09:30 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Why is this just a matter of the rich paying. |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:00 PM Response to Reply #26 |
47. Rich have been syphoning my dimes for far too long now. Tax their asses, steal it, tear it up, |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:12 PM Response to Reply #47 |
61. So you don't think the services and help to the poor are worth your dime? |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:39 PM Response to Reply #61 |
74. WTF are you talking about. Those are our dollars going to the poor, not richie riches. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 11:50 PM Response to Reply #74 |
89. How do you figure that? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:02 PM Response to Reply #26 |
50. You seem not to know the meaning of the word "sacrifice." It doesn't mean "a drop in the bucket." |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:18 PM Response to Reply #50 |
68. I think that no one wants to pay anything. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:12 PM Response to Reply #26 |
60. Yeah, we've been hearing about the need for shared sacrifice a lot lately. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 12:07 AM Response to Reply #60 |
95. Well if we all throw in our dime they will have no excuse will they? |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 12:27 AM Response to Reply #95 |
102. Oh right! That'll persuade them! |
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neverforget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
25. The point is that the rich have had it pretty fucking easy the last 30 years. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 09:35 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. So only the successful should want to contribute to their country? |
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neverforget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 09:40 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Good grief. We all pay taxes. The rich should pay more because they have |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 09:40 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. "Successful" = bullshit RW meme. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 09:47 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Everyone should contribute quite a lot to this country. |
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neverforget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 09:49 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. And the rich should contribute more because they have more |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 09:53 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Funny, but on this thread you seem to be focused on what the non-rich should be doing. eom |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:14 PM Response to Reply #40 |
65. I think they should pay more and so should we all excluding those who can't even afford to eat. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:04 PM Response to Reply #36 |
53. The poor first need to worry about the basics, or haven't you heard of the homeless? |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 11:47 PM Response to Reply #36 |
87. Those who have money should contribute money - |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 12:09 AM Response to Reply #87 |
96. There is something between being poor and being rich you know. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 12:33 AM Response to Reply #96 |
103. A hell of a lot less than there was 30 years ago. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:03 PM Response to Reply #28 |
51. Who are YOU to assert that the poor do not |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:06 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Oh but |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:13 PM Response to Reply #51 |
63. I Caught That Too |
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neverforget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:22 PM Response to Reply #63 |
71. OP is really busy defending the rich from the poor and middle class |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 11:13 PM Response to Reply #51 |
79. Why are we only talking about the poor? |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
31. Government paid health care is very old. In 1347 plague hit Europe. |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
35. The poor can't afford to pay for ESSENTIAL services the rich can many times over. n/t |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 09:50 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. But don't you ever feel like this country lacks a sense of wanting to contribute? |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 09:56 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. WWII was paid for by war bonds and taxes on the rich. |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 09:57 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. I completely disagree... |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:01 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Seriously. The OP needs to read Nickel and Dimed by Barbara Ehrenreich. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:20 PM Response to Reply #48 |
70. me thinks the writer of the OP is well off |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 12:14 AM Response to Reply #70 |
97. Nope, not well off. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:02 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. Are you poor? Do you want to contribute more to help others? |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:04 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. I'm poor. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 12:22 AM Response to Reply #54 |
101. I owe you an apology. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 12:39 AM Response to Reply #101 |
105. You don't owe me an apology but thanks anyway. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 12:53 AM Response to Reply #105 |
112. I'm not even sure what is fair anymore. |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:10 PM Response to Reply #49 |
58. You contridict yourself. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:11 PM Response to Reply #38 |
59. "The other guy's hide"? Is that what you call a fair and equitable tax? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:14 PM Response to Reply #38 |
64. No. That bee is in your bonnet. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
42. No. |
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devils chaplain (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
46. I'd be ok with ensuring all middle class households pay some income tax if... |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
52. False equivalence. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:09 PM Response to Original message |
57. The rich have more to protect |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
62. The rich aren't saying, "Cut services!" They are saying, "Cut services we rich don't need." |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:16 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. +10000 |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:18 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. Yep. And notice how the DLC Professional Class wants to cut SS but not Medicare |
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neverforget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
76. Cut services for the rich. For example, the media and Congress sure could |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 11:43 PM Response to Original message |
85. The difference is.. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 12:17 AM Response to Original message |
98. No. The point is the richest 1% have 90% of the wealth - they need to pay whatever it takes to keep |
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taught_me_patience (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 12:19 AM Response to Original message |
99. Man do I agree with this post... big kandr |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 12:42 AM Response to Reply #99 |
107. What is your net worth? |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 12:37 AM Response to Original message |
104. No |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 05:23 AM Response to Reply #104 |
116. I am beginning to see that apparently nobody considers themselves middle class anymore. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 06:25 AM Response to Reply #116 |
118. There's the big difference: the rich *don't want* to, the poor *can't afford* to |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 08:21 AM Response to Reply #116 |
120. Few are "middle class" anymore - when 1% of the country |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #116 |
126. That's just asinine |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 01:05 PM Response to Reply #116 |
127. I'm beginning to see something, too. |
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johnroshan (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 05:26 AM Response to Original message |
117. I think you need to rephrase your argument. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 10:33 AM Response to Reply #117 |
124. I am just curious how people can see such a massive federal deficit, advocate for yet more spending, |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #117 |
125. No one is needlessly attacking him |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 07:45 AM Response to Original message |
119. The republicans want a smaller government, then whine their asses off when it snows! |
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