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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 05:56 AM Original message |
Smokers won't be hired at Sparrow Hosp.-New applicants will test for tobacco |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:00 AM Response to Original message |
1. Its too early for Popcorn...ahh well |
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madmax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:58 AM Response to Reply #1 |
25. Move over |
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TheManInTheMac (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
105. It's too late for me, but I think I'll sit out the rest of it |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:01 AM Response to Original message |
2. i'm sorry but that is wrong. cigarettes are still legal. they should not be able to |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:04 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Uh...not just smokes - the patch, chewing, e-cigs - all have nicotine (nt) |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:08 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. and all those are legal too. some think that just because they don't like smoking |
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inademv (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:32 AM Response to Reply #4 |
15. And it is the hopeful employee's decision |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:37 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. it is not their place to decide or to be able to base hiring on such things. |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:56 AM Response to Reply #18 |
80. Oh but it IS their place to decide. That's rather the point. |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 11:12 AM Response to Reply #80 |
87. that would be incorrect |
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TheManInTheMac (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:52 PM Response to Reply #87 |
104. Sure you can. |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 08:31 AM Response to Reply #15 |
28. Nicotine in and of itself is not really a harmful substance, and actually has medical uses. |
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Ferret Annica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #28 |
56. You sound like an apologizing addict. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:02 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Deleted message |
Ferret Annica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. We are having a nice fit, yes? Go out and take a smoke break |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:14 PM Response to Reply #28 |
59. Lance, a med prof had shown me studies showing the benefits of nicotine |
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madinmaryland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 07:27 PM Response to Reply #28 |
70. Nicotine is not a harmful substance??? |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:16 AM Response to Reply #70 |
81. No more harmful than water, in moderation. Just like water. |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 11:06 AM Response to Reply #15 |
86. So we can all add to that list things we personally don't like? |
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YellowRubberDuckie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #2 |
55. So is Alcohol, but you can't drink and work at the same time. |
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:27 AM Response to Reply #55 |
78. No alcohol on the job I can agree with. |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:10 AM Response to Original message |
5. So what? |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:12 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Again - not just smoking (the patch, etc). Religion is a choice too. So is abortion |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:15 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Actually, do patches involve tobacco? |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:30 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. "Job applicants who test positive for nicotine ..." |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:31 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. My bad. I misread the article too fast. |
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Mariana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:33 AM Response to Reply #14 |
39. I don't know how they could do that. |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 02:04 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. The strongest patch delivers 21mg of nicotine, gum 4mg. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:05 PM Response to Reply #40 |
71. I have never smoked. |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:25 AM Response to Reply #39 |
82. I've switched to e-cigarettes |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 09:07 AM Response to Reply #13 |
33. Also mandated by Insurance Companies |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 09:54 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Follow the money. It's always a safe bet. n/t |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 03:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
46. If that standard was applied across the board, I would agree. |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 03:32 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Agree |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Of course not, we can't have the "rulers" having to live up to the same standards. |
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rustydog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 11:14 AM Response to Reply #13 |
88. The patch is used to QUIT! That would be one of the questions |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:18 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. drinking alcohol and calling out the next day due to a bender is a choice too. nt |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 08:52 AM Response to Reply #8 |
31. Do that too often and you will be fired |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:22 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Next will be fatties |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:57 AM Response to Reply #10 |
24. You don't think that already happens through the interview process? |
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Texasgal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 03:02 PM Response to Reply #5 |
42. Having children is a choice. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:09 PM Response to Reply #5 |
73. but they are controlling what legal substance you can take in your free time |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:20 AM Response to Original message |
9. This is a growing movement |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:13 AM Response to Reply #9 |
76. But they don't.--the exact opposite is true |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 12:28 AM Response to Reply #76 |
106. This is over the coarse of a lifetime |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:26 AM Response to Original message |
11. Private sector govenance enforcing laws on people. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:34 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Of course they have "the right"; it says so in our current laws. |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:42 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Heh, in clean rooms they have respitory covers. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:50 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Laws DO exist; I'd suggest you read the laws around "employee at will". |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 07:26 AM Response to Reply #21 |
27. It is not a matter of me liking them or not. |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 11:22 AM Response to Reply #16 |
90. nonsense |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:42 PM Response to Reply #90 |
102. Which part is nonsense? Got any cites to prove that? (NT) |
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pintobean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:27 AM Response to Original message |
12. I can't help but wonder |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:36 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Why, again, do we allow particular religious "charities" to run hospitals in the first place? |
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pmorlan1 (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:46 AM Response to Original message |
20. What's Next? |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:51 AM Response to Original message |
22. Can they test for fast food consumption yet? |
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pmorlan1 (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:53 AM Response to Original message |
23. FREEDOM |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 09:25 AM Response to Reply #23 |
36. Important point. Thank you. n/t |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:15 PM Response to Reply #23 |
60. More corporate power over people's private lives is unacceptable to me! n/t |
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greenbird (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:59 AM Response to Original message |
26. Not that it has anything to do with the OP |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
29. And Sparrow Health should be boycotted by smokers and their families |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
30. It does cost them a lot more for health insurance |
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Pathwalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 08:57 AM Response to Original message |
32. The Sparrow Hospital SYSTEM is EVIL incarnate! DON'T go there!!! |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #32 |
85. Sparrow "Health" - LOL |
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Fuzz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
34. Everyone knows smoking is bad for you. Everyone knows eating badly is bad for you. |
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BIGFOOTSDADDY333 (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
35. 1st they came for the smokers but isaid nothing for i'm not a smoker...end. |
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YellowRubberDuckie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 04:20 PM Response to Reply #35 |
57. I think this is a lame scare tactic and is a bit ridiculous. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 07:14 PM Response to Reply #35 |
69. Um, they came for the pot-heads WAY before the smokers... |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
37. I think they should take it a step further. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #37 |
48. Maybe a middle ground....webcams in the employees' bedrooms. |
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Texasgal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
41. The issue does not fall squarely on smoking |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
43. ...and if they use alcohol? |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
44. Good. nt |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
45. I'd screen for "votes Republican." |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
49. well, alcohol is legal too, and you aren't supposed to be under the influence |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:19 PM Response to Reply #49 |
64. Companies don't tell people they can't drink beer or wine at home, do they? n/t |
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Thegonagle (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
50. What about the simple productivity issue? (So many smoke breaks...) |
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jp11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 04:07 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. The obvious answer there is until you hire someone you can't claim to |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:18 PM Response to Reply #50 |
62. Those are 'the old days' |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:58 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. The hospital in our area doesn't allow smoking on its grounds, |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 11:28 AM Response to Reply #50 |
91. I don't think ANY companies offer smoke breaks nowadays. |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
51. Guess I won't be applying there anytime soon. |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
54. Good... |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:43 AM Response to Reply #54 |
84. But they aren't discriminating against smokers |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 11:28 AM Response to Reply #54 |
92. Nor anyone who uses alcohol at all |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
61. I don't like this. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
63. anti-smoking nazis will soon be hoist on their own petard, as the excuse to poke |
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Keith Bee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
66. K&R |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
67. I wouldn't hire an addict myself, and drug tests are pretty standard |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #67 |
93. LEGAL versus ILLEGAL |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:24 PM Response to Reply #93 |
101. Addicts vs. non-addicts is more the issue to me |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:09 PM Response to Original message |
72. I swear to god it was the Marlboro muffin I had for breakfast! |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
74. I'd discriminate against fat people before I discriminated against smokers |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:20 AM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Actually, did you see the post upthread? |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 04:36 PM Response to Reply #74 |
100. How do you know how many have thyroid problems? |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:05 AM Response to Original message |
75. This bullshit needs to stop ASAP |
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:31 AM Response to Original message |
79. I hate cigarettes with a passion. Highly addictive, repulsive, and deadly. |
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Phoenix63 (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
83. Wow.. |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
89. They probably did the math and realized smokers are making their health insurance |
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louslobbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
94. Why don't they just get it over with and require a DNA test with all applications for employment? |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. That should just about cover all the relevant questions I would think. |
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louslobbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. If you can think of any I missed, just add them on. Thanks |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
95. I remember the smoky world that used to be, and I like this less smoky one |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:03 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. But do you have a problem with someone |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 03:30 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. I don't have a problem (as long as they're not upwind from my porch), but an employer may. |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
103. Screw how qualified they would have been for the position |
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