Nursing student expelled for posting Facebook photo of a human placenta in class

[proud2BlibKansan]

A nursing student at Johnson County Community College is stunned to find herself booted out of school just months before graduation.

Her offense: Posting on Facebook a photograph of herself posing with a human placenta in class.

Doyle Byrnes, who had expected to graduate in May and begin working as a registered nurse in the fall, is now in federal court seeking an injunction against Johnson County Community College.

The 22-year-old woman claims her future earnings potential in her chosen profession is at stake because of what she calls “a momentary lapse in judgment.”

A dean at the school calls it “a lesson hard learned.”



Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/12/30/2551869_nursing-student-expelled-for-posting.html?storylink=omni_popular#ixzz19fWUUjU6

[midnight]

1. First of all.... This is interesting science. I can't see how this

is a problem... Does she identify who's placenta this is???? This is science. I remember going to Chicago's Science and Industry Museum and looking at fetuses and different months when I was a kid.... I hope the college reverses this decession...

[Hannah Bell]

2. maybe because she looks so -- um -- happy? i don't think she should be cut,

but i can't think why she'd post that.

[ismnotwasm]

3. Kind of a dumbass move by the kids

Nursing Schools, especially Community Colleges are always under pressure, especially for clinical spots, so they tend to be kind of sphincter tight. I just bet they got a call from somebody with some clout, or were worried that they might.

I don't think they should have expelled. The school, however probably has a cover their ass policy about what is acceptable in open media and what is not on admission to the school. I suspect posing with placentas will fall under the category of not acceptable.

[Capitalocracy]

5. The first thing I thought about when I saw this

was that this year I helped my wife with a presentation for her modern art history class featuring nude photos of a woman whose audience cut her clothes off and tortured her, and video of a man being shot, both art installation exhibits. Good thing I'm not in Kansas anymore. She got a 10/10 in that class.

[proud2BlibKansan]

15. Where in Kansas are you from?

[Capitalocracy]

19. Lawrence.

L-town.

[Capitalocracy]

4. guess what? when people have babies, placentas come out

Maybe you can hide it from your children, but you can't hide it from nurses. :eyes:

Oh, our puritan neighbors. Kansas making itself look great once again.

[Concordia]

6. Who really cares?

It's just a placenta. It's not like it's a dead fetus.

[boppers]

7. What... The... Fuck?

I've handled hundreds of placentas in my life, for one, it's a waste product, not even part of a mother or child... it's just a gooey mess that connects the two for a while, then it's just useless.

Why would anybody even care about a picture of one?

[Loudmxr]

8. This is a real V**** L**** move. Stupid. But not harmful.

I use my friend V***** as an example all the time. Emotional. Talented. Off the Wall.

He made the point to get a more inclusive drunk driving course in our schools recently.

He doesn't know that. Cause I used his example from 30 years ago. It helped because our former Mayor was by my side and she was his classmate too. It made her laugh when I said "I need to get through to the "V*****ies our there" !! You can find his books now on Amazon.com. He has the best damn endorsement Quote for a multi national company right now in trade magazines that features his PICTURE!!!!

He is almost as famous as I am. And he looks really handsome. He turned out all right.

Not that that I could look like Larry Mullen Jr if I lost about 30 lbs. BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT!!

Let her go! She was trying to be funny and it didn't work out. She will do well. Forgive and forget.

[eShirl]

9. expelled for that?

please.

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[nebenaube]

11. I think the Dean needs to be expelled.

This situation is stupid. There's nothing wrong with posting that picture.

[truebrit71]

20. I agree 100%. I have no idea what is wrong with that picture...

...bloody stupid if you ask me..

[postulater]

12. Had digital photo been around 30 years ago,

I might have taken some photos of cadavers in anatomy class, partly for study and partly just for the wonder of what makes things alive.

And I can imagine having a sense of humor about some of it. Yeah, a placenta might deserve a joke.

Whether it was funny or not, I remember being amazed when I held up an aorta from the bottom end, it stood straight up in the air because of all the calcification inside. Then squeezing it in my hand and seeing the chunks drop out the bottom like flakes of cement off a basement wall.

I didn't have much sense of humor when a pre-med student was going around the lab asking if he could kill people's rats for them. He's probably your doctor now.

[proud2BlibKansan]

14. Would you have put the pictures on Facebook?

[postulater]

18. Nope.

[Ezlivin]

13. That placenta now has its own Facebook page

And already has over 1,000 friends.

But most of them are placentas I don't know.

[northernlights]

16. what is unfair is that they say they asked and received permission

for the photos and to post them in Facebook. If that is true, the expulsion is unfair.

If you read the article, 4 students took photos of each other and all 4 were expelled, whether or not they were on Facebook. The expulsions were not for being of Facebook -- they were for being disruptive and unprofessional during training.

IF they did, indeed, receive permission, than the expulsions are unfair.

Otherwise, consider this:

1. They were off site, not at the school. That is unfair to the laboratory where they were *guests.* I can't speak for *their* school's situation, but I recently learned that at *my* school where I'm in the MLT program, clinical training (the last part of training, when you are actually in a hospital lab learning "on the job") is NOT compensated. In other words, the hospital lab provides the training staff, the (often expensive)reagents and the use of their facilities and (very expensive) instruments and systems *for free.* The sponsoring school gets thousands in tuition and fees -- the clinical training hospitals get zilch. They do this because they need future nurses (or in my case, lab techs). Except, they no longer do need us in a lot of places, so are now hard pressed to justify why they should provide the free training services.


2. She appears to be goofing around, not involved in her learning. And yes, that may well have been disruptive to the rest of the class who is there to learn.

So the school may well be in an awkward position. IF they were given permission, then it was very poor judgement on the part of the supervising nurse to have given them permission. But that will probably be what gets the students re-instated.

Clinical training is considered an extensive job interview. Certainly when you are in somebody else's facility, using their resources, the most professional behavior is expected. And it was made clear to us (different example, of course) NO MATTER HOW BADLY YOUR TRAINER MAY BEHAVE, DO NOT EMULATE.

There's a 2+ year waiting list to get into most nursing schools. Same thing with the MLT program I'm in. Long waiting list to get in; shrinking number of jobs at the back end. And many of the students are under huge stress (financial, academic, personal, all three feeding each other) and really do not appreciate students under less stress goofing around during labs and class. It makes it very hard to concentrate, to hear instructions, etc.

[lonestarnot]

17. Somebody in Kansas is ridiculous.